****************** CALL FOR ACTION ****************

Priority:      normal

Background:
  A new success for the Hungarian Lobby: According to an announcement
of Al Gore and Madeleine Albright the new foreign policy of the US
government will deal with the protection of natural treasures all over
the World. This policy is regarded as an integral part of national
security.
  The result of this new foreign policy is that the USA will open 12
regional offices in the 12 environmentally most endangered areas in
the World. Thus, our next goal is to reach that one of these offices
will establish in Gyor (Northwest of Hungary). This step would show
the American care for the Danube to the whole World.

What to do:
  Please help to persuade the Clinton, Gore and Albright to open one
of the planned offices in Gyor. Feel free to use the attached form
letters.
   IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THE POLITICIANS FIND THOUSANDS OF LETTERS IN
THEIR MAILBOX. PLEASE ACT!! Please SEND EVEN SNAIL MAILS. These are
more effective.

e-mail address of President Clinton:


e-mail of Vice President Gore:


e-mail of the Secretary of State Albright:


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letter to Clinton:
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The Honorable Bill Clinton
President of the United States
The White House
Washington, D.C. 20001
(e-mail: )

RE: Establishment of environmental office in Gyor (Hungary)

Dear Mr. President:

Please consider the city of Gyor in Hungary, as one of the 12 new
regional environmental hubs to be established by the State Department.
This would show your interest in the survival of the natural treasures
of the Szigetkoz wetlands, which evolved from Europe's only inland
sea-delta and survived since the last Ice Age.

The Szigetkoz Wetlands are endangered since Slovakia illegally
diverted the Danube river, depriving Hungary of her natural resource.
The result is devastating environmental damage.

Respectfully yours,

<Your name, address, title>



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letter to Gore:
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The Honorable Al Gore
Vice President of the United States
The White House
Washington, D.C. 20001
(e-mail: )

RE: Establishment of environmental office in Gyor (Hungary)

Dear Mr. Vice President:

Please consider the city of Gyor in Hungary, as one of the 12 new
regional environmental hubs to be established by the State Department.
This would show your interest in the survival of the natural treasures
of the Szigetkoz wetlands, which evolved from Europe's only inland
sea-delta and survived since the last Ice Age.

The Szigetkoz Wetlands are endangered since Slovakia illegally
diverted the Danube river, depriving Hungary of her natural resource.
The result is devastating environmental damage.

Respectfully yours,

<Your name, address, title>


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letter to Albright:
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<date>

The Honorable Madeleine Albright
United States Secretary of State
United States Department of State
Washington, DC 20520
( E-Mail:  )

RE: Establishment of environmental office in Gyor (Hungary)

Dear Madame Secretary:

Please consider the city of Gyor in Hungary, as one of the 12 new
regional environmental hubs to be established by the State Department.
This would show your interest in the survival of the natural treasures
of the Szigetkoz wetlands, which evolved from Europe's only inland
sea-delta and survived since the last Ice Age.

The Szigetkoz Wetlands are endangered since Slovakia illegally
diverted the Danube river, depriving Hungary of her natural resource.
The result is devastating environmental damage.

Respectfully yours,

<Your name, address, title>

****************** CALL FOR ACTION ****************

Priority:
   normal

Background:
  Hungary's position in the Danube lawsuit at the International Court
of Justice in The Hague is very promising. However, even if the court
rules in favour for the environment it is possible that the Slovak
government does not accept the verdict.
  It would be useful if the World Court threatens with UN sanctions in
case of non-compliance, since this would force Slovakia to respect the
decision of the court.

What to do:
  Please ask the president of the International Court of Justice, Mr.
Schwebel, to incude a recommendation for United Nations sanctions in
case of non-compliance. Feel free to use the attached form letter.
Note that Schwebel will only take notice if he receives numerous
letters.
  Unfortunately we do not have the e-mail address. Please
do not hesitate to send him a fax or a snail mail.  PLEASE
ACT!! ASK YOUR FRIENDS TO JOIN YOUR REQUEST!!
  Fax number:  ++31-70-3649-928

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<date>

The Honorable Stephen Schwebel
President of the International Court of Justice
Carnegieplein 2, 2517 KJ,
Den Haag
The Netherlands
(FAX:  011-31-70-3649-928)

RE:  First Environmental Lawsuit (Danube) in The Hague

Dear Mr. President:

Congratulations on your well-deserved appointment as the new
President of the International Court of Justice.  During your tenure
you will set new precedents in many areas of international law,
including the much neglected area of international protection for the
environment.

This year, for the first time in history, your Court will decide on an
environmental lawsuit concerning the Danube. The precedent you set
will affect all humankind.  In ruling on the dispute between Hungary
and Slovakia, you and your fellow judges can establish that rivers,
forests, and oceans are not the sole properties of nations, and that
national governments do not have the right to destroy the planet's
unique ecosystems, even if these natural treasures are within their
borders..

Mr. President. Your Court has already set a precedent, when it
accepted the Memorial of the international NGOs. You have established
a second precedent by visiting the Danube wetlands during the first
week of April. You have seen that the ecosystem of the Szigetkoz is
dying due to the loss of groundwater, caused by the rerouting of the
Danube. This region used to supply the Danube with the oxygen needed
to digest the organic wastes. Now the "lung" of the river has been cut
out and the dammed up river has been turned into an open sewer.
Shipping has suffered because of flimsy construction and because the
dam can not handle ice. In addition, half of the populations of
Dobrohost, Vojka, and Bodiky have already fled because of their
isolation and because the physical danger they face.

Dear Mr. President. You are fully aware of the above and it is
certainly not our intention to belabor the obvious or to try to
influence your decision. What we are concerned about is not the
ruling you will make, but the enforcement of that ruling. If in the
fall you rule that the Danube must be returned into its natural
riverbed, that ruling might not be carried out, if not backed by
sanctions. Therefore, Mr. President, we would respectfully suggest
that you consider setting yet an other precedent by including in your
ruling a recommendation for United Nations sanctions in case of
non-compliance.

Respectfully,

<Your name, title and address>

> Eva, may I ask you a personal question?  When did you leave Hungary to
> live in England, and why? (I assume you are of Hungarian origin,
> otherwise, what would you do on this list?)
>
> Agnes
>

Be my guest. It was love... The year was 1973.
My husband is a Mancunian. (From
Manchester) We lived in Hungary for the first 6
months, but I decided I was not interested anymore to become a
maths-physics teacher and Alan did not make a good rail-way worker,
(although he enjoyed giving conversation- lessons) so I packed in
ELTE TTK as we planned to travel
the world which distinctly necessitated a british passport, so
we moved to England, I became a dual national. Will this do?

> >        No, I haven't resigned from the job, but I'm getting a bit tired of
> >these two: Joe and Eva D. Hard to imagine that people like them actually can
> >survive in this world.
> >        ESB

I can't see an obvious link between my opinions and my way of
survival.

>         Well, I don't know about happiness and smiling, but I do know that
> the state of people's teeth in the eastern bloc countries is pretty bad, in
> spite of the fact that dental care was so-called free!
>

Well, I can only speak about Hungary, and the free dental care I
received in Tab (Somogy) was superior to Rochdale (Lancashire).
For the last 20 years Germans and Austrians flock to buy cheap
hungarian dental treatment, I don't think they'd do that if it was
not also upto western standards. I had my teeth don in Budapest two
years ago, no way I could have paid for a similar job here.

Actually, I find, that for the last few years you can really
differentiate poor people just by looking at the state of their health
- including the state of their teeth - here in the UK.


>         I thought that if you needed dentures that means that you had
> actually neglected your teeth. They all fell out. I don't know about the
> others, but my teeth are just fine--no dentures. One bridge and even that
> bridge is the result of bad dentistry from Hungary. ESB
>
>

You are just lucky, or you haven't taken the pill, which has an
effect on the gums. I did not neglect my teeth.
 This is a good demonstration of your attitude
Eva,   everyone with bad teeth should just blame themselves...
You'd found a bad dentist in Hungary. My luck is the other way round,
I found them in England.

The other morning, on CBC radio, they were talking about those photographs
of unsmiling people from the former Eastern Bloc
countries.  It appears that the people on those photographs weren't
smiling, not because they didn't like the system - as people in the West
have been led to believe - but because they had bad teeth.

Apparently, dentists in the former Eastern Bloc countries didn't
keep up with changes in that profession.  And nobody realized the
dire consequences that photographs of unsmiling people would have
in the West.  In any case, we now know that unsmiling doesn't equal
unhappy.

Now, I'm just wondering if there's a correlation between bad teeth
and dislike for the former system.  If there is, then Eva Balogh, Amos
Danube, Aniko Dunford, Gabor Farkas, and others on this list, must have
awful, awful, teeth.  Or, they're in love with capitalism because, under
this system, they were able to afford dentures and
can now smile again.

Joe Szalai

"All this fuss about sleeping together. For physical pleasure I'd sooner go
to my dentist any day."
           --- Evelyn Waugh

In article >,
 says...
>

>Sorry, I am not a talented entrepeneur, even though I worked
>in all my life I happen to be behind the mortgage payment,
>so not able to help to plaster the cracks of the wall in capitalism
>for you. If I had  a few spare pounds, I would spend it to help along
>a system that stops such humiliation as relying on charity forever.
>
Eva, may I ask you a personal question?  When did you leave Hungary to
live in England, and why? (I assume you are of Hungarian origin,
otherwise, what would you do on this list?)

Agnes

In article >,
 says...
>
>Hi,
>I am looking for patterns of hungarian needle work. I want to make some
>clothes for my baby-girl. Who can help me out?
>Thanks,
>Karolin.

There is (or was a few years ago any way) a magazin called Furge Ujjak
Konyve.  I am sure Hungarian bookstores, if any, in your area have it.
It usually has all kind of krafts, but carries most times some kind of
Hungarian type embroidery.  Good luck.

Agnes

E.Balogh wrote:

>       In any case, some people in Hungary think that those of us who live
>in North America have became stupid since our departure from Hungary and
>will believe anything we are being told. Just one example, I have heard
>tales of woe from a man in his thirties about their poverty: both he and his
>wife work in the health field. Their salaries are miniscule I was told. Yet,
>I was also told that they were building a new house. By the time I got to
>Hungary the house was finished and they already moved in. I was astonished:
>it was a house which could have been plopped down in the United States and
>admired. Large, modern kitchen, dining room and living room, all open,
>downstairs, plus a room which will be the examination room for the doctor
>wife when she opens her practice. Half-bath downstairs. Upstairs, three
>large bedroom and two baths. Well, tell me, how can they build a house like
>that when allegedly they make 40,000 Ft. (net) between the two of them and
>they have two children? No way! Someone was not telling the truth. The
>house, by the way, was built in a new suburb (there are villages, close to
>large cities, which are becoming fashionable places to live), where there
>were scores of brand new houses. Oh, yes, I forgot about the two-car garage
>which was being built and they do have two cars. So, there is no problem
>with living in the village and driving to town to work!!

You have interesting relatives/friends in Hungary. As I remember you
have relatives owing a building with a 'cigany-gyulolo' restaurant in it
and there is somebody of yours producing 'mubor' around Pecs.

J.Zs

Hi Ferenc! At 06:09 AM 6/19/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Quite true.  But the prices are pretty much identical to those in North
>America.  And, since the earnings of most people are much less then here, the
>buyers of those goods come primarily from the ranks of foreigners and the
>newly rich.  A large part of the population can't afford the prices of  these
>items.
[...]
Agreed, and I say this, because previously all I said was "The living
standards in Hungary have risen considerably with the last ten years."
And, supplied a quick point form synopsis of where these changes are most
evident to me.  But .. here's a question.  How is it possible that an newly
opened Kaizer (food chain) for example, alongside that of an recently built
SuperStore (food, electronics, clothes etc) right alongside a Diskont
(food/liquor) servicing an immediate population of 330K (from surrounding
let's add another 50K) can all enjoy commercial success instantly and
simultaneously?  While the long established entities remain without any
negative affect, in fact continue to thrive to the degree of expanding,
modernizing.  In a climate, where  fully understanding that a large part of
the population can't afford to pay the prices. Something, somewhere does
not add up.  Perhaps you can help shed a light.

>A slight exaggeration,
whoops ... did *I* exaggerate?:-)))  Ok ... every 3rd car is a BMW, Mercie
or at least equivalent in value ...
> but there is a lot of truth to it.  It helps to know
>that there are not only many foreign businessmen, but also hords of mafiosi
>and other newly rich enterpreneurs in Budapest these days for whom
>ostentatiousness is a way of life.  But I would not draw sweeping conclusions
>from such observations.
[...]
You'll have to extend a little more credit than that Ferenc:-).  I am not
drawing sweeping conclusions .... the increase in the #of cars in Bpest is
simply one very obvious area which to me portrays an increase in living
standards. (And, the foreign ones are easily spotted by the plates -
therefore not considered to be a part of the equation).

>In my experience one can no more draw generalized conclusions about life in
>Hungary from a brief stay in Budapest  than trying to understand the USA on
>the basis of having seen New York.  Visiting other cities or the countryside
>can yield a much more valid picture of the present-day Hungarian reality.
[...]
Right you are again.  Let me be more specific, less restrictive to Bpest.
Construction of homes and businesses even just along the Vaci Ut, between
Pest and Szob - have increased at an amazing rate over the past 10 years.
Once off the highway, this becomes even more staggering.  Zebegeny - stands
out alot to me, since I could barely find my way around anymore - with
landmarks demolished and replaced by new (gorgeous might I add) homes and
'vacation homes'.  Vac, for example is expanding at such a rapid rate, that
land is becoming next to impossible to acquire, let alone to find - which
10-15 years ago surrounded by empty fields was inconceivable.  This one
surprises me a great deal, since I expected the folding of the Vaci
Hajo/Daru Gyar and the Kotogyar, (employed a great % of the populous) to
bring an serious economic lull.  Instead, the once Vaci Hajogyar, now
subdivided houses businesses ranging from Car Sales to nuts and bolts.
Each time I return, I see an increase to the business base, even though
there are several that might have closed.  Several new highrise complexes
were actually sold out prior to their completion.  (interesting to add,
most construction is free of financing due to the high rates).   Nagymaros,
is enjoying growth likewise in construction, which defies all logic since
the majority of industry once providing employment no longer exists.   The
handful which do, are operating at roughly 1/3 capacity.   Remains at a
reduced level, raspberry and chestnut growing; still can't account for the
evidenced increases.  Szentendre?  Incredible! - With hardly any industry
at all - save tourism.  Gyor, makes more sense, since it remains quite
active in industry.   Szob is kept alive with the once Szobi Szorp Gyar,
and recent amalgamation with Coke I believe, so growth there comes as no
surprise .... And so on. . . But, I was surprised by your comments
regarding Szeged and Esztergom.

Having said this - I repeat... my point was -" Noted increase in living
standards". I did not offer an rationalization or opinion regarding this
observation.  Save, that I feel it foolhardy to believe or to portray, that
all is only  "doom and gloom".  For it is not.

But I also note that the people recognize (even if reluctantly), that there
are costs and sacrifices associated with their newly found "freedom" if you
will, and although whine alot, complain alot ... most certainly spit out an
instant "NO", when outright asked, "would you prefer to go back "?  To me,
it remains inconceivable to think that the transition would/could have been
smooth and rapid.  Nor that it could result in the "ideal system".
>snip>
>What I also saw was a
>resurgence of civic pride and a lessening of the feeling of inferiority vs.
>Bp. -- a very healthhy sign.  Finally, a very discouraging political apathy
>everywhere.  Many people feel that -- democracy or not -- those in power are
>only concerned about their own welfare and don't really care about the needs
>and concerns of the people.  Such people don't even intend to vote at the
>next election.  This I find deeply disturbing.
[...]
How nicely worded!  Second your observations.  Thanks for your post.
Best, Aniko
>

Eva - >> At 11:23 PM 18/06/97 GMT, you wrote:
>Aniko, it seems you have problem with reading.
[...]
Don't think so.  With writing at time, yes:-).  This one is an excellent
example, since I must admit it to be well,.. badly phrased.   Here's what I
wanted to portray:
>>Gladly ... What I considered to be disrespectful, are your following quoted
>>words "My foremost task is to make people aware of the problems".
>>
>> >So what is disrespectful about that?
Edited version:
>> Words portray an assumption that people need _*you*_ to do so ... is
>> disrespectful in my eyes.  I think them to be intellegent enough to make
>> themselves aware.
Aniko

Eva - At 01:12 PM 6/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At 02:50 PM 6/19/97 -0400, Joe Szalai wrote to Aniko:
>
>>Why, even your
>>buddy, Ferenc Novak, says that you exaggerate the wealth in Budapest.
>
>        You get mighty confused sometime. Ferenc Novak is no buddy of Aniko
>Dunford. No, no, he is your buddy. ESB
[...]
Oh shoot! I am so disappointed! With my 'real buddy' in hibernation, the
prospect of a step in "was" quite nice:-):-)
Aniko

Eva B; At 01:12 PM 6/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>        Just to add my two cents' worth to the discussion on living
>standards. If you look at the statistics: living standards are down.
>But--and this is an important but--economic statistics are terribly
>unreliable nowadays for at least two reasons: (1) a huge black/grey economy;
[...]
And here's me thanking you for it!  Interesting.  Left with the thought,
that Eva D., must be basing her opinion of Hungary's living standards solely
on economic statistics.
Best, Aniko
>

Hi EvaAt 01:12 PM 6/20/97 -0400, you wrote:

>        No, I haven't resigned from the job, but I'm getting a bit tired of
>these two: Joe and Eva D. Hard to imagine that people like them actually can
>survive in this world.
>        ESB
Good to hear!  Welcome back!  Hope you weathered the little 'toe stepping'
well:-)
Best Aniko
>

Finally, Joe, you have managed to be funny. Do you see what you can
do when you really try!
                         Amos
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
Joe Szalai wrote:
>
> The other morning, on CBC radio, they were talking about those photographs
> of unsmiling people from the former Eastern Bloc
> countries.  It appears that the people on those photographs weren't
> smiling, not because they didn't like the system - as people in the West
> have been led to believe - but because they had bad teeth.
>
> Apparently, dentists in the former Eastern Bloc countries didn't
> keep up with changes in that profession.  And nobody realized the
> dire consequences that photographs of unsmiling people would have
> in the West.  In any case, we now know that unsmiling doesn't equal
> unhappy.
>
> Now, I'm just wondering if there's a correlation between bad teeth
> and dislike for the former system.  If there is, then Eva Balogh, Amos
> Danube, Aniko Dunford, Gabor Farkas, and others on this list, must have
> awful, awful, teeth.  Or, they're in love with capitalism because, under
> this system, they were able to afford dentures and
> can now smile again.
>
> Joe Szalai
>
> "All this fuss about sleeping together. For physical pleasure I'd sooner go
> to my dentist any day."
>            --- Evelyn Waugh

At 07:31 AM 6/19/97 -0400, Joe Szalai wrote:

>By the way, Ferenc, you're starting to sound like a socialist when you
>empathize with the "needs and concerns of the people".  Good work.  Keep it
>up.

        Why are you so surprised? The two sides are rather close. ESB

At 02:50 PM 6/19/97 -0400, Joe Szalai wrote to Aniko:

>Why, even your
>buddy, Ferenc Novak, says that you exaggerate the wealth in Budapest.

        You get mighty confused sometime. Ferenc Novak is no buddy of Aniko
Dunford. No, no, he is your buddy. ESB

At 09:56 PM 6/19/97 -0300, Aniko wrote:

>>That's Eva Balogh's job!
>[...]
>Whoopss ... do apologize ... didn't realize that we each had assigned jobs,
>roles with responsibilites..... you'd think that someone after almost two
>years would have thought of passing it along to me?  Oh heck!  ...think
>that Eva has shown signs of resignation anyways, so she won't object too
>much for having stepped on her toes.  Wonder if she resigned from her job
>on this group, or from your combined ideals:-) ... Btw; since I never did
>receive the proceedure manual ... someone ought to enlighten me as to what
>'my job' is ...

        No, I haven't resigned from the job, but I'm getting a bit tired of
these two: Joe and Eva D. Hard to imagine that people like them actually can
survive in this world.
        ESB

Just to add my two cents' worth to the discussion on living
standards. If you look at the statistics: living standards are down.
But--and this is an important but--economic statistics are terribly
unreliable nowadays for at least two reasons: (1) a huge black/grey economy;
(2) the central statistical office has little experience in gathering data
in a fluid capitalist economy.
        There is a portion of the population--mostly pensioners, people with
little education and/or unemployed--who are poor by any standard. According
to polls, only 15-20 percent of the population claims that they are better
off financially today than in the existing socialism but I wouldn't take
this kind of figure too seriously: there is a tendency in all of us to see
the past through rose-colored glasses. (Just think about it how often we say
things like that: "Oh, do you you remember, a cup of coffee was 10 cents and
look at it now, it is a dollar at most places!" Yeah, yeah, but I was making
$150 (Canadian) a month and you couldn't rent a small apartment for less
than $75!) This is true about the Hungarians as well. Yeah, the bread cost
3.60--they simply forget that at the same time you had to work for months
and months for a tv set and even when you had the money they may not have
had any in the store!
        In any case, some people in Hungary think that those of us who live
in North America have became stupid since our departure from Hungary and
will believe anything we are being told. Just one example, I have heard
tales of woe from a man in his thirties about their poverty: both he and his
wife work in the health field. Their salaries are miniscule I was told. Yet,
I was also told that they were building a new house. By the time I got to
Hungary the house was finished and they already moved in. I was astonished:
it was a house which could have been plopped down in the United States and
admired. Large, modern kitchen, dining room and living room, all open,
downstairs, plus a room which will be the examination room for the doctor
wife when she opens her practice. Half-bath downstairs. Upstairs, three
large bedroom and two baths. Well, tell me, how can they build a house like
that when allegedly they make 40,000 Ft. (net) between the two of them and
they have two children? No way! Someone was not telling the truth. The
house, by the way, was built in a new suburb (there are villages, close to
large cities, which are becoming fashionable places to live), where there
were scores of brand new houses. Oh, yes, I forgot about the two-car garage
which was being built and they do have two cars. So, there is no problem
with living in the village and driving to town to work!!
        And yes the new superstores are full of shoppers and they do shop!!
I saw a picture in HVG the other day (it had something to do with the fact
that certain stores decided to open their doors on May 1) on which one could
see a woman, pushing and shoving not one cart, brimming with goodies, but
two!! And yes, the number of constructions is up. So all in all, the GDP
figures are most likely underestimate the real situation. Yes, I am not
saying that there is no real poverty in Hungary. And the population is not
accustomed to seeing huge, huge differences in incomes. And those who have
money nowadays are not hiding the fact: they flaunt it while those who are
just getting by or who are hurting are green with envy and resentment.
        I am, by the way, is rather optimistic about the economic future of
the country, even if both the left (Joe and Eva D) and the right (we don't
have too many of those on this list) complain bitterly and would like to
smuggle back socialism one way or the other. But, I am sure, they will not
succeed. ESB

At 07:36 AM 6/20/97 -0400, Joe Szalai wrote:

>The other morning, on CBC radio, they were talking about those photographs
>of unsmiling people from the former Eastern Bloc
>countries.  It appears that the people on those photographs weren't
>smiling, not because they didn't like the system - as people in the West
>have been led to believe - but because they had bad teeth.

        Well, I don't know about happiness and smiling, but I do know that
the state of people's teeth in the eastern bloc countries is pretty bad, in
spite of the fact that dental care was so-called free!

>Now, I'm just wondering if there's a correlation between bad teeth
>and dislike for the former system.  If there is, then Eva Balogh, Amos
>Danube, Aniko Dunford, Gabor Farkas, and others on this list, must have
>awful, awful, teeth.

        I don't quite understand this. I think we are actually smiling
people; we think that the economic situation will improve. We have faith in
the capitalist system.

>Or, they're in love with capitalism because, under
>this system, they were able to afford dentures and
>can now smile again.

        I thought that if you needed dentures that means that you had
actually neglected your teeth. They all fell out. I don't know about the
others, but my teeth are just fine--no dentures. One bridge and even that
bridge is the result of bad dentistry from Hungary. ESB

At 04:33 PM 6/20/97 -0400, Janos Zsargo wrote:

>You have interesting relatives/friends in Hungary. As I remember you
>have relatives owing a building with a 'cigany-gyulolo' restaurant in it
>and there is somebody of yours producing 'mubor' around Pecs.

        Not really a friend. I "met" him on the Internet and it turned out
that he is the son of a woman I went to school with for two years (grades 5
and 6). Hence the connection.
        As for the interesting relatives. The creator of "mu"bor" is a
retired principal and the husband of my late older cousin. He is a great
KDNP supporter and a devout Catholic. The owner of the house where the
Gypsy-haters have a restaurant is my first cousin and the house used to
belong to my maternal grandparents. I am sure that they voted for the MSZP.
Oh, by the way the son of the former schoolmate was a huge MFD supporter. In
fact, he quit his job and worked for the party prior to the lost elections.
Since then he went back to his old job. So, as you can see, I have friends
and relatives of different political persuasions.
        ESB

At 11:01 PM 6/20/97 GMT, Eva Durant wrote:

>Well, I can only speak about Hungary, and the free dental care I
>received in Tab (Somogy) was superior to Rochdale (Lancashire).

        Well, we all know about the English national health system. ESB