Magyar-Szlovak alapszerzodes, the Hungarian-Slovak treaty
is available online from the Office of the Prime Minister
 at URL http://www.meh.hu/kum/moszlasz.htm (not html).
 The text is in Hungarian.

The whole server is beautiful and worth a visit.

Roman Kanala

Members of the list interested in the Hunglish used by the great waves
of immigrants before and after the turn of the century should read:

        1. Hofmann, Geza.
                Csonka munkasosztaly, az amerikai magyarsag. Budapest,
                1911.

                Some examples: bigany=pig iron, peda=payday

        2. Kalassay, Sandor.
                "Az igaz gyozelem". and "A Strike" szinmu az amerikai
                magyar nep eletebol harom felvonasban. Bridgeport,
                1902.

                Example: "Qvittol a breka...."begins the first line of
                "A Strike"; sure was fun figuring that one out.

        3. Mencken, Henry Louis.
                The American language: an inquiry into the development
                of English in the United States. New york, 1921.

                Many examples from many languages including Hungarian.

the above titles are gold mines of Hunglish.

Bob...az arpadhoni

--
Boaz Waiss Tel: 972-4-9936200 Ext:242     E-mail: 

Eva Durant writes:

 At the moment I cannot think a good
> Hungarian word for " subtle"  and " to cope".
> "Kedves"  has no translation to my satisfaction into
> English... I suppose there are such dictionaries about?
> 
If cope came from the cabinetmaker's coping then "beleilleszkedni" is
probably close enough however "hozzailleszkedni" perhaps more accurate.
For some reason I can understand that you have no word for "subtle" :-)
Regards,Jeliko mint aki halkan belelepett.

The term "antisemitic" was introduced by an antisemite (if I remember
correctly, his name was Marr) in the last century as a "euphemism" for
anti-Jewish. Semite for Jewish has parallels in English as well (speaking
of someone's "Semitic" features). This has nothing to do with the
scholarly definition of Semitic, a linguistic term which includes also
Arabs, Ethiopians, as well as Assyrians and Babylonians in antiquity,
etc., an ethnically quite heterogeneous group who speak related languages.
                                R

The following message came from our wonderful proponent -
he posted it to the  list, for a reason
apparently unknown for me .

1, there has been no discussions about the name change on
   , the topic has been kept away from it
2, the mail apparently appeared on HIX's MOKA, I cannot therefore
   authenticate the writer of the original - if there was at all -
   message
3, this post has never been sent to  list
   but by Zoli Fekete

This is outrageous. Zoli Fekete so far played a fair game, but now,
it seems that somehow, with his dirty methods he wants to project
this image - you are primitive, antisemitic and so on, if you
vote for soc.culture.magyar . I strongly protest against this
biased, uncivilized intent of trying to destroy our image.
None of us suggested or projected any similar thoughts, in fact,
most of us voting for soc.culture.magyar tried to emphasize, the name
Magyar is in fact not with the slightest intent against any particular
ethnic or religiuos group in or outside of Hungary.
This was low, dirty, disgusting and the farthest from any possible
behaviour that I would call fair and gentlemenlike.
I left the name of the "orginal sender" out from below, since I am not
able to make any authentication on his behalf.


>geo.umd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) with ESMTP id XAA13376; Tue, 16 May
>1995 23:03:26 -0400
>Received: ) by glueserv1.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) id XAA01426
>Received: from world.std.com  [1=
92.74.137.5]) by >glueserv1.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id XAA01420 for
; Tue, 16 May 1995 23:00:45 -0400
>Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 23:00:45 -0400
>From: 
>Message-Id: >
>X-Authentication-Warning: glueserv1.umd.edu: Host world.std.com didn't use
HELO >protocol
>Subject: A good one!
>Apparently-To: 
>Precedence: Bulk

>Felado:.........
>Temakor: Miert a Zsido nem megy at hajtasi vizsgan? ( 17 sor )
>Idopont: Mon May 15 23:19:34 EDT 1995 MOKA #698
>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

>Mert nem kapott a Zsido hajtasit?
>kerte: gazt! gazt!

......

*****Szavazz & kuldd e-mail-t:

(no subject!)
in the body text:
I vote NO on soc.culture.hungarian (wich would replace soc.culture.magyar)

This is how email actually sent from my account on the World looks like, in
case anyone is wondering. It's intriguing how Gotthard thinks he can
authenticate (apparently without any idea what SMTP is) this but not HIX...

-- Zoli 

The following message came from our wonderful proponent -
 he posted it to the  list, for a reason
 apparently unknown for me .

  1, there has been no discussions about the name change on
    , the topic has been kept away from it
 2, the mail apparently appeared on HIX's MOKA, I cannot therefore
    authenticate the writer of the original - if there was at all -
    message
 3, this post has never been sent to  list
    but by Zoli Fekete

 This is outrageous. Zoli Fekete so far played a fair game, but now,
 it seems that somehow, with his dirty methods he wants to project
 this image - you are primitive, antisemitic and so on, if you
 vote for soc.culture.magyar . I strongly protest against this
 biased, uncivilized intent of trying to destroy our image.
 None of us suggested or projected any similar thoughts, in fact,
 most of us voting for soc.culture.magyar tried to emphasize, the name
 Magyar is in fact not with the slightest intent against any particular
 ethnic or religiuos group in or outside of Hungary.
 This was low, dirty, disgusting and the farthest from any possible
 behaviour that I would call fair and gentlemenlike.
 I left the name of the "orginal sender" out from below, since I am not
 able to make any authentication on his behalf.


>geo.umd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) with ESMTP id XAA13376; Tue, 16 May
>1995 23:03:26 -0400
>Received: ) by glueserv1.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) id XAA01426
>Received: from world.std.com  [192.74.137.5]) by
>glueserv1.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id XAA01420 for
; Tue, 16 May 1995 23:00:45 -0400
>Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 23:00:45 -0400
>From: 
>Message-Id: >
>X-Authentication-Warning: glueserv1.umd.edu: Host world.std.com didn't use
HELO >protocol
>Subject: A good one!
>Apparently-To: 
>Precedence: Bulk

>Felado:.........
>Temakor: Miert a Zsido nem megy at hajtasi vizsgan? ( 17 sor )
>Idopont: Mon May 15 23:19:34 EDT 1995 MOKA #698
>- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>
> >Mert nem kapott a Zsido hajtasit?
> >kerte: gazt! gazt!
>
> .......
>
> *****Szavazz & kuldd e-mail-t:
> 
> (no subject!)
> in the body text:
> I vote NO on soc.culture.hungarian (wich would replace soc.culture.magyar)

gotthard and fekete --

will you please take your personal arguments to private e-mail?  I haven't
seen anything new in the past several messages.  I vote YES that we start a
discussion group called soc.culture.petty and vent at each other *there*.

Scott

Robert Hetzron:  "...pidgins are impoverished languages, used by
different language communities as a compromise for communication..."

Perhaps another way of saying this without negativity is that pidgins are
augmentations of languages to facilitate intercultural communication.  For
those of us who prize international relations, this might be seen as an
improvement, rather than a compromise.

Scott

Hi Everyone,

        Could anyone of you provide me with the e-mail addresses of different
Hungarian discussion lists? I already have hix, but would be interested
in economics/business/politics, naturally about Hungary. If you know about
mailing lists about these subjects, please let me know at:

        

        thanks a lot for your help in advance!

                Andras Horvath

In article > Louis
Elteto > writes:
>Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 11:31:19 -0700
>From: Louis Elteto >
>Subject: Re: The "Szia - Szervusz" Debate

Is it "szervusz" or "szerbusz"?  I have always heard it pronounced with a "
b", although this difference may be caused by dialect.

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
Norbert Horvat

On Wed, 17 May 1995, Zoltan Fekete wrote:

>  This is how email actually sent from my account on the World looks like, in
> case anyone is wondering. It's intriguing how Gotthard thinks he can
> authenticate (apparently without any idea what SMTP is) this but not HIX...
>
> -- Zoli 

Well, I am not sure where HIX gets its Felado: lines
If it is from the From: field, it can be easily changed .
It is Jozsef Hollosi who could tell wether that trash actually
came from that address at Glue (serves cca 40,000 students here at
Maryland) , or it was someone else's
simple manipulation with one of the fields in the letter.
And this was the letter's header :

Received: from glueserv1.umd.edu (glueserv1.umd.edu [129.2.70.69]) by
geo.umd.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) with ESMTP id
XAA13376; Tue, 16 May 1995 23:03:26 -0400
Received: ) by glueserv1.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) id
XAA01426 for hungary-outgoing; Tue, 16 May 1995
23:01:51 -0400
Received: from world.std.com  [192.74.137.5]) by
glueserv1.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id
XAA01420 for ; Tue, 16 May 1995 23:00:45 -0400
Date: Tue, 16 May 1995 23:00:45 -0400
From: 
Message-Id: >
X-Authentication-Warning: glueserv1.umd.edu: Host world.std.com didn't
use HELO protocol
Subject: A good one!
Apparently-To: 
Sender: 
Precedence: Bulk

In case anyone wonders about Zoli's address, the letter he sent and
called his letter from  , is a letter when one uses
standard mailing procedures. Even without extensive
knowledge  of the SMTP, (probably the sender was also stupid enough to leave
the   address in as originator), this is what anyone can
read from the lines above ( the header that came with an antisemitic
message to )  apparently from Zoli Fekete .
I (geo.umd.edu) received it from glueserv1.umd.edu
gluserv1.umd.edu received it from world.std.com
the originator was  - Zoltan Fekete's address

If you have enough priviledge, you can easily set for sendmail or for
other low level mail delivery systems - the routing, standard
configuration file, the From: field, your Name:, etc. All you need is  to
be a trusted user e.g., you should belong to a group like root, deamon, system
etc., at least for the period of time you are making this scum. Of
course, you should not be retarded enough to leave your own address in
there.

If Zoli thinks this is absurd, he might also want to figure out, why
anyone from his address would send antisemitic trash to the University of
Maryland's Hungarian list, ( for what I happen to be an administrator,
and even as a member of that list, neither I nor anyobody else has sent
in letters either promoting anti-Jewish sentiments or pro
'soc.culture.magyar' letters).  To a list, that has both Hungarian and
American, just as  both gentile and Jewish members.

Apparently, whoever sent it in from Zoli's address, had one thing in his
mind - to discredit all of us working here at Maryland to make
Hungarian-American relations more prospering .

If it was you, Zoltan Fekete, I am deeply disgusted by your unintelligent
tactics . If it is someone else, using your account, your responsibility
is the same. You are not honest .
If was not you, that I doubt , I will apologize .

Gotthard

--
personal email          : 
Hungarian-American list : 
WWW                     : http://www.glue.umd.edu/~gotthard

In article >,  (Frans_Szabo) writes:
> In article > Joe
Szalai > writes:
>>Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 21:45:13 -0400
>>From: Joe Szalai >
>>Subject: HUNGLISH??
>
>>I have heard Hunglish spoken since my family came to Canada in 1957.
>>However, I have never seen Hunglish written.  At least not in Canada.  In
>>Hungary there seems to be a growing number of written Hunglish.  For
>>example, I've seen 'server' written as 'szerver'.  Could it be that
>>Hunglish can only be written by Hungarians in Hungary.  The rest of us
>>can speak it but not write it.
>
>>I'm interested in knowing what readers of this list have to say about
>>Hunglish?  Can Hunglish be called a language?  Will it outlive the
>>current Hunglish speakers.  How many people speak Hunglish anyway?  I
>>know that in Southern Ontario there must by several hundred thousand
>>people who would understand the following statement.  "Menjunk el autoval a
>>szupermarketba shoppingolni."  Now that's what I call Hunglish!  Too bad
>>I don't see much of it on this group.
>
>>Joe Szalai                       Tel:519 885-1211, ex5544
>>User Services                    Net:
>>Dana Porter Library
>>University of Waterloo
>
> Hunglish is not a language. To me, it seems to be a way of expressing that
> Hungary is a modern country. By introducing foreign i.g. western words into
> the Hungarian language, a suggestion of freedom, improvement etc. is being
> created. As the say in Hungary  "Mint a nagyok". In fact, everybody in
Hungary
> still wants to be associated with the west. In view of Hungary's recent past,
> it would be more logical to see much more Russian words in the language, but
> obviously this is a popular habbit.
> What is striking is that many hungarians don't understand the meaning of the
> words they are using.
> For example, when they want to say "goodbey", the say "Hello".
> Hello, FSZ.
>
  I think, Hunglish isn't a language, just a modification of the hungarian
language. I named this "sleng". I don't want to be associated with the west,
but many things arrive from west without hungarian names. Look at example by
Joe Szalai. I can't named a more thousand squareyard food store as
"vegyesbolt"! The "kozert" and "ABC aruhaz" words are recommended, but they are
not means supermarket...
  Hungarian peoples must use the english word, for many-many manner, without
real english knowledge. They never read these words. If they must write
supermarket, they do this fonetically "szupermarket".
  Some of these words are official, for example "szerver", "fa'jl" etc.
O.K. the snobbish hungarians want the association with west, but not the
hungarian society at all.

  Dear Frans Szabo! Your example is totally wrong, because the word Hello is
originally hungarian. The source is the telephoners first question "Hall on?".

"Ez van."

I am sorry for many syntactical errors, but I can't speak english.

Maradok tisztelettel:
                                Andrew George Batori
                               (Batori Endre Gyorgy)
Alias
      Lionel Green
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