>BTW, I have been enjoying the recent comments on these threads of the
two
>Gabors (Fencsik and Farkas, not Eva and Zsa Zsa) very much.
>
>TTFN :-))
>
>Johanne/Janka
>
Hi, Janka, I was just thought of you the other day, how you have
disappeared fom the list.  Welcome back!

Agnes

Thanks for your interesting story, Eva.  Well, in conclusion, every
decent parent wants to raise the children to his/her best.

Agnes

In attempts at catching up on the backlog ... our resident To"vissel
szerelt Bandi writes way back when ....
 <snip and some>
>Here I caution you to exercise untypical restraint... primarily
>because the issue of the (in)famous Hungarian temperament
>is my next intended topic of discussion
[...]
Geesh already!  ... and here I thought I'd been exercising amazing
restraint all along?!? .... So..... what's happened to that intended topic
of discussion anywho?:-)

>killjoy, you.
Hmmm.... I guess that if I were to have to think real hard, I might be able
to recall having been called worse on occassion;-) :-).

Boy!  Y'all have been real busy the last little while!
Aniko

Actually, this was from my post.
This quote means, that one should critically test all encountered
statements or even experiences before accepting them as fair
approximation to reality.  There are scientists who are capable
doing this in their field of research, but not in their ideological
beliefs, which I found - dishonest - even if it is in most cases
unintentional.
Eva Durant


>
> Eva Balogh wrote:
>
> >Keep your mind open by all means, but don't let your brain drop out.
>
> I'm curious; are you contending that in order to appreciate science and
> experimentation, you must necessarily reject the existence of God?
>
> Doubtless Eli Weisel and Albert Einstein would be interested to know.
>
> Kristof
>

MDtoCEO wrote:
>
> Eva Balogh wrote:
>
> >Keep your mind open by all means, but don't let your brain drop out.
>
> I'm curious; are you contending that in order to appreciate science and
> experimentation, you must necessarily reject the existence of God?
>
> Doubtless Eli Weisel and Albert Einstein would be interested to know.
>
> Kristof

I am puzzled about the logic of the exchange. ESB might be of the
opinion. I didn4t percieve, however, that she would have stated this.
Still, even if she had, I would be overwhelmed by the "power" of your
argument. Please spare us this level. ;-(( ( Just to make sure that I
am objecting what I percieve as just cheap argumentation - I do agree
with dogmatic atheism as little as I do agree with dogmatic missiona-
ries. IMHO, there is no real contradiction between nat.sc. and consi-
dering "the existence of God", as you put it, unless you insist on some
primitive specific, dogmatic forms of that existence. I do not think,
however, that the Hungary List would be the appropriate platform for
these questions. )
MKH

Ferenc Novak wrote:
>
>   on Sat May 10 12:05:15 EDT 1997 in HUNGARY #993:
>
> > When I attended a Catholic school (for two miserable years) we had to prove
> that >we attended church. We had to go into the office after service and
> receive a piece of
> >paper to that effect.
>
> This is not as strange as it may sound.  In the late fifties/early sixties
> Princeton University also required underclassmen to attend chapel (or another
> house of worship) at least every other week and prove it by submitting a
> written note obtained from the particular church.  Failing to have the
> requisite number of attendance slips resulted in being put on "chapel
> probation" carrying the same consequences as academic probation.
>
> Ferenc

It4s the Spirit of Princeton ;-). Well, bearing in mind the great many e
Godfathers and Families from NYC residing in NJ, it always was a conser-
vative area, wasn4t it? And in the R.P. Romana, under Gheorhiu Dej, they
would list whether you have - absolutely voluntarily - attended the
daily, absolutely voluntary, reading of the editorial of the Scanteia
( later Scinteia ).
Miklos

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 17:47:30 -0700
From: 
Subject: Book of old Hungarian Empire

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Dear Sir or Madam,

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At 06:09 AM 5/11/97 -0400, Ferenc Novak wrote:
  on Sat May 10 12:05:15 EDT 1997 in HUNGARY #993:
>
>> When I attended a Catholic school (for two miserable years) we had to prove
>that >we attended church. We had to go into the office after service and
>receive a piece of
>>paper to that effect.
>
>This is not as strange as it may sound.  In the late fifties/early sixties
>Princeton University also required underclassmen to attend chapel (or another
>house of worship) at least every other week and prove it by submitting a
>written note obtained from the particular church.  Failing to have the
>requisite number of attendance slips resulted in being put on "chapel
>probation" carrying the same consequences as academic probation.

        Did I say that it was strange? No. I simply stated a fact. As for
Princeton. Well, what can I say? Yale abolished compulsory chapel in 1922. ESB

Eva Balogh wrote:

>Keep your mind open by all means, but don't let your brain drop out.

I'm curious; are you contending that in order to appreciate science and
experimentation, you must necessarily reject the existence of God?

Doubtless Eli Weisel and Albert Einstein would be interested to know.

Kristof

 on Wed May  7 08:15:34 EDT 1997 in HUNGARY
#990:

> I've never salivated over heroes, gods, or nation.
>
>Joe Szalai

But over masturbation?  I'm surprised.

Ferenc

  on Sat May 10 12:05:15 EDT 1997 in HUNGARY #993:

> When I attended a Catholic school (for two miserable years) we had to prove
that >we attended church. We had to go into the office after service and
receive a piece of
>paper to that effect.

This is not as strange as it may sound.  In the late fifties/early sixties
Princeton University also required underclassmen to attend chapel (or another
house of worship) at least every other week and prove it by submitting a
written note obtained from the particular church.  Failing to have the
requisite number of attendance slips resulted in being put on "chapel
probation" carrying the same consequences as academic probation.

Ferenc

Miklos wrote:

> IMHO, there is no real contradiction between nat.sc. and consi-
>dering "the existence of God", as you put it, unless you insist on some
>primitive specific, dogmatic forms of that existence.

IMHO, you are correct.  And I do not say that you are wrong.  I was trying
to ask Eva if SHE thought there was no way to hold both beliefs, and live
amicably in a scientific world while leaving room for God.  Thank you for
pointing out that my question was unclear.  Apologies.

Kristof