Dear Gotthard,

 You got the key point of your story wrong (as Andras Mehes beat me to
point out): "trusting the list administrator" was not at issue since the
incident involved forgery not "the anonymous option".
 In any case, this is sidetracking the discussion whether to have .hix
newsgroup. If you don't like HIX (or just don't want to read it for any
reason) but want to have it "out" on Usenet then the logical position
would be for a separate group, not against as yours has been. This may
ease a bit of wasted bandwith, too, by allowing sites to carry the
non-gatewayed group without the emailable stuff if they wish so. Also
this solution - enabling proper gatewaying - would in effect bring the
Usenet (.hix of it anyways) to everyone with email access *right now*, as
opposed to your vision of the future when "better technology becomes
more available for everyone". Somehow I'got this suspicion that the gap
between this "real soon" outdating of email servers and the present time
is even bigger than the one between "almost every USENET site" and the
actually measured 65% propagation of s.c.m ;-(...

-- Zoli 

Nagyon szepen koszonom hozzaszolasat.  Amit irt, az nagyon erdekes volt
es sok szempontbol felvilagositott.  Az amerikai magyarsag koreben ennek a
jelentese sokat valtozott, mivel az itteniek mar csak a bojttel
kapcsoljak ossze (legalabb is a beszelgetesek soran ez derult ki.  A
jelenlevok tulnyomoan masod- es harmadgeneraciosak voltak, es keveset
tudnak ennek eredeterol).  Annak alapjan, amit on irt probalom ujra
megkeresni a Magyar Neprajz (1988) VII. koteteben.  A nagybojttel
kapcsolatban nincs semi errol.  Volna esetleg valami iromany errol otthon,
amihez valami modon hozzaferhetnek?  Szivesen vallalnam a fennallo
koltsegeket.  Udvozlettel,  Sabharwal Arjun.

On Thu, 23 Feb 1995, Somosvari Bela wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Feb 1995, Arjun Sabharwal wrote:
>
> > I am writing a thesis about this subject.  Can anyone help me gather info
> > on this topic.  Both English and Hungarian responses are welcome.  I am
> > new to the newsgroup so I would like to welcome you to it.  it's is a
> > great way to keep in touch.
> >
> Ez a szokas nem cigany nepszokas.  A teltemetes- tavaszvaras
> korebe tartozo nepszokasok elnevezese. Az elnevezes ahhoz kapcsolodik,
> hogy egyes helyeken a farsangot bezaro utolso napi bal vegen (hushagyokedden)
> -temetven a vigassagot  a husveti bo:jt megkezdese elott-a zenekar es vigado
>
> kozosseg jelkepesen eltemeti a nagybogot mintegy kifejezve, hogy
> mostantol nincs zene a bojt csendje kovetkezik.
>         Ebben az idoben tobb hasonlo teltemetesi szokas is van ami
> hasonlo halottas jatek csak szalmababot, tekenot visznek vegig a falun
> amit aztan csendben eltemetnek, vagy a szalmababot azutan elegetik.
> Nemelykor elo szemely jatssza a halott szerepet.
>         A 'bogotemetes' kifejezest ezekre kozos megnevezeskent is szokas
> hasznalni.
>         Ennyi, de en nem vagyok szakember ezen teruleten es mar olvastam
> itt olyasmirol vitat, hogy aki nem ert hozza ne szoljon bele
> (to:rte'ne'szek?)
> Ezert ezt csak mint segito szandekot tekintsd ezt az irast es ha valami nem
> helyes, akkor itt a nyilva'nossa'g segit kijavitani.Reme'lve'n, hogy
> szakemberek is olvastak a ke'rde'sed, meg ezt is amit en irtam, csak me'g
> nem telt ideju:k a hozza' szola'sra.
>         U:dvo:zlettel: S.B.
>                         The only reader.
>  (sometimes making sratches as above one)
>

Jeff: Thanks; we are all following the Chiapas business closely, as it's a test
 case for a number of issues in Latin America: the rights of subalterns, the vi
ability of guerrilla operations, alternative social structures, the relationshi
p between economic process and human rights, sovreignty in Latin American count
ries, etc. But a Hungarian list! Now that is kinky. Best, Foster

The Embassy of the Republic of Hungary and the
Hungarian American Cultural Association presents -

        Concert by the Auer String Quartett

Date    - Friday, 3rd of March, 1995
Time    - 7 pm
Location- The Embassy of the Republic of Hungary
          2950 Spring of Freedom Street, N.W.
          Washington, D.C. 20008


Program -
Haydn           Skylark String Quartet in DMajor, Op 64 No. 5
Bartok          String Quartet No.3
Debussy         String Quartet

A donation of $10.00 per person is suggested.
R.S.V.P.

--
URL :  http://www.glue.umd.edu/~gotthard

In article >,
"Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq" > writes:

>                               ... we'd like to propose establishing
>soc.culture.hungarian to carry the English language Usenet discussion,
>and a fourth-level group (s.c.magyar.hix or s.c.hungarian.hix
>named for the collective acronym for the mailing lists) to gateway the
>list traffic. The s.c.{m|h}.hix group would be formally moderated,
                                                ===================

For those of you, who might not be familiar with moderation on USENET.
>From  Usenet_Newsgroup_Creation_Companion on
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet/news.groups/

> Suggestions on Moderation
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Q: Who should moderate a group, if it is moderated?
> A: It should be someone respected, who has a fast news connection (no
>    leaf nodes), and has the time to do a good job of it.  The moderator
>    kills or nurtures the moderated group, so choose wisely.   =========
>    =====================================
>
>    In addition, the moderator should be able to set up a separate account
>    or mailing address just for moderation purposes.
>
> Q: What if the moderator needs to go on vacation?
> A: It's an excellent idea to name a backup moderator at group proposal
>    time.  If the moderator ever needs to disappear for an extended period
>    of time, the backup moderator takes over until the moderator returns.
>
> Q: How about getting rid of the moderator?
> A: There is _no_ official way to get rid of a moderator without their
>    ==================================================================
>    consent!  Even if they turn out to be a bum who never does anything,
>    =======
>    you can't easily replace them.  Thus, take great care with your
>    moderation guidelines.

In other words - cenzorship. In my oppinion, no moderated group should bear
the soc.culture.magyar/hungarian name, even if it is a fourth level group.
Did not we have enough of cenzorship, moderation during the past years?


Steve, > writes:
>I think we should be open to other Hungarian subgroups and topics because
>if we don't, we will get bogged down often times searching through useless
>information that does not pertain to our interests.
>
>Csak be akartam dobni a velemenyemet.
>
>Elore kell gondolni mert az Internet gyorsaban fog noni a kozeli jovobe.

Agreed Steve, although under the circumstances I mentioned earlier - absolutely
no moderation.

Gotthard
--
URL :  http://www.glue.umd.edu/~gotthard

> Szervusz Zoli,
> I have to agree with most af the things you wrote. Although, if you rephrase
> it carefully, we might get the soc.culture.hungary group, and can still keep
> the soc.culture.magyar.
> If you take a look at some of the groups, e.g.  -
>
> soc.culture.jewish
> soc.culture.jewish.holocaust
> soc.culture.israel
>
> , we can also assign soc.culture.magyar to the Hungarian people and
their history,
> living all around the world - 10+5 million of them, and
soc.culture.hungary to Hungary,
> its people, nationalities, neighbours, current issues etc.
> Regards,
> Gotthard

I think we should be open to other Hungarian subgroups and topics because
if we don't, we will get bogged down often times searching through useless
information that does not pertain to our interests.

Csak be akartam dobni a velemenyemet.

Elore kell gondolni mert az Internet gyorsaban fog noni a kozeli jovobe.

--
Steve

On Thu, 16 Feb 1995, Arjun Sabharwal wrote:

> I am writing a thesis about this subject.  Can anyone help me gather info
> on this topic.  Both English and Hungarian responses are welcome.  I am
> new to the newsgroup so I would like to welcome you to it.  it's is a
> great way to keep in touch.
>
Ez a szokas nem cigany nepszokas.  A teltemetes- tavaszvaras
korebe tartozo nepszokasok elnevezese. Az elnevezes ahhoz kapcsolodik,
hogy egyes helyeken a farsangot bezaro utolso napi bal vegen (hushagyokedden)
-temetven a vigassagot  a husveti bo:jt megkezdese elott-a zenekar es vigado

kozosseg jelkepesen eltemeti a nagybogot mintegy kifejezve, hogy
mostantol nincs zene a bojt csendje kovetkezik.
        Ebben az idoben tobb hasonlo teltemetesi szokas is van ami
hasonlo halottas jatek csak szalmababot, tekenot visznek vegig a falun
amit aztan csendben eltemetnek, vagy a szalmababot azutan elegetik.
Nemelykor elo szemely jatssza a halott szerepet.
        A 'bogotemetes' kifejezest ezekre kozos megnevezeskent is szokas
hasznalni.
        Ennyi, de en nem vagyok szakember ezen teruleten es mar olvastam
itt olyasmirol vitat, hogy aki nem ert hozza ne szoljon bele
(to:rte'ne'szek?)
Ezert ezt csak mint segito szandekot tekintsd ezt az irast es ha valami nem
helyes, akkor itt a nyilva'nossa'g segit kijavitani.Reme'lve'n, hogy
szakemberek is olvastak a ke'rde'sed, meg ezt is amit en irtam, csak me'g
nem telt ideju:k a hozza' szola'sra.
        U:dvo:zlettel: S.B.
                        The only reader.
 (sometimes making sratches as above one)