In article >,  
(Joe Bodorkos) says:
>
>
>I was hoping someone in this newsgroup can provide me with some 
>information.
>
>I am a Canadian citizen (Hungarian decent) that was born in Canada and 
>currently live in Canada.  At the same time I would also like to obtain 
>Hungarian Citizenship (my mother was a Hungarian Citizen when I was born).  
>Does anyone know if Hungary allows a dual citizenship status.
>
Hi Joe!

I know that Hungary allows you to have two citizenship, that's for sure.
About obtaining your hung.citizenship - even if your mother had this 
status - you should ask the Hungarian Embassy in Canada.
Good luck!

In article >, Dan Pop > wrote:
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>When the _whole_ population of a village (from a 3 week baby to the
>eldest) is killed for the _only_ "guilt" of being Romanians, it makes
>sense to believe that the killers would have massacred _all_ the
>Romanians in existence if they _could_.

Is there any proof of this?  Frankly, to me this sounds like an urban
legend.  This is not to say that I don't think Hungarians can commit
no attrocities.  They can.  Especially during or in the aftermath of wars
when general moral standards are usually not what they are in peace
time.  This would not be unique to Hungarians.  But the kind you are
alluding to would be pretty unique to them.  I think such attrocities
are more likely invented than committed.  But I am willing to listen to
some convincing proofs, even circumstantial ones.

What would I consider circumstantial in such a situation?  Well, the
Soviet direct adminsitration of North Transylvania after the complaints
of Hungarians would be an indirect, circumstantial evidence.
A good evidence would be a bunch of graves dating from the same day the
alleged attrocities happened.  I would not consider a good evidence what
somebody just said about it, unless she/he can prove that he/she knew
several people murdered on the occasion and their graves can indeed be
confirmed with the dates. 

Here is what I think could have happened in 1940, after the return of
Northern Transylvania to Hungary.
Many Hungarians, who suffered some kind of injustice from Romanians
during the prior 20 years, saw it as an opportunity to settle their
scores.  Because as you indicated earlier, previous wrongs done could
not be ignored when judging a new wrong.  And the wrongs did not start
in 1940.  They started in 1918.  (Just to stay within the span of one
generation.)

Panonescu

In article >,  > wrote:

>Many Hungarians, who suffered some kind of injustice from Romanians
>during the prior 20 years, saw it as an opportunity to settle their
>scores.  Because as you indicated earlier, previous wrongs done could
>not be ignored when judging a new wrong.  And the wrongs did not start
>in 1940.  They started in 1918.  (Just to stay within the span of one
>generation.)

Same old Pannon, huh?  Boy, do you have a lot of gall...

Andrei


-- 
Andrei Popovici

____
On the other hand...   there are five fingers.

From the news (in Hungarian):

Szoftvertolvajok leleplezese (MH)

Az illegalis szoftverhasznalat es forgalmazas felszamolasara alakult
nemzetkozi szervezet, Business Software Alliance egyuttmukodik a magyar
rendorseggel annak erdekeben, hogy felderitsek azokat a cegeket, amelyek
illegalis szoftvereket hasznalnak fel.  A legutobbi ellenorzesen 50
megvizsgalt cegbol 50-nel talaltak lopott szoftvert.  A nemzetkozi
szervezet szamara elfogadhatatlan ez a magas arany.
-----------
Briefly in English: the licence enforcement agency of softawre
companies, the Business Software Alliance, made check of 50 Hungarian
businesses for license complience and out of them they found 50 firms
using pirated software.  For the international organization this ratio
is unacceptably high.
---------------

This has got to be the understatement of the year!

Joe

In >,  () writes:
>[...]
>Szoval stilusban ok sem
>voltak jobbak.  Csak ugy kettonk kozt: akkor miben voltak jobbak?
>Tartalomban?  [...]

Igen.


>[...]
>En csak azert hoztam ezt fel, mivel a CSEPPSZ felemlitesevel te olyan
>"benfentesnek" tuntetted fel magad, s kozben gyakorlatilag ismeretlen
>voltal ott.  Egy eset nem valtoztat ezen.

Kovettem a vagdalkozasaitokat, es betegre rohogtem magamat kozben.  Ez
minden.

Udv,
 ,
Peter

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
"To me, box is like a ballet... except there is no music, no
choreography, and the dancers hit each other."

Csak akkor lesz bekesseg az izraelitak es masok kozott, mikor a Te hulye
generaciod ki fog halni es egy egeszsegesebb meg nem fertozott generacio
fog elni az elhaltak hamvai felett.

In article >, Nagy Peter > wrote:
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>Rendben, gyoztel.  Elismerem, en vagyok Kadar torvenytelen fia.

No latod, nem volt ez olyan nehez!  "... and the truth sets you free",
ahogy a kinaiak mondjak.

>Sot katona is voltam (sorkoteles, nem TSZ vagy hiv.), es
>inkabb elmekegtem az eskutetelt, minthogy helyette ket evet uljek.
>Ezekbol a peldakbol is lathatod, hogy milyen opportunista,
>lelkiismeretlen allat voltam es vagyok.

Ajajaj!  Ez rosszabb, mint gondoltam!  Erre mar valoszinuleg papai
feloldozas kell. 
>
>Nem beszeltem szimpatiarol, de ha mar igy rakerdezel: valoban a masik
>oldallal szimpatizaltam.

Huh de megleptel most!

> Azert rettenetes haragodban szamitsd be nekem
>kerlek, hogy tobbszor is hangsulyoztam:  stilusbeli kerdesekben ok sem
>voltak jobbak nalatok.  Viszont ezt most irtam utoljara, mert mar kezd
>unalmassa valni.

Es meg te irtad, hogy en ismeteltem magam!  Szoval stilusban ok sem
voltak jobbak.  Csak ugy kettonk kozt: akkor miben voltak jobbak?
Tartalomban?  (What else is there?)

>Legalabb egy esetre emlekszem, amikor vitatkoztam egy kicsit, ugyhogy
>mas parameterekkel kell hogy futtassad a grep-et.  Egyebkent nem ertem,
>miert kellett volna a FORUM-on lejaratnom magamat ahhoz, hogy itt es
>most szolhassak?

En csak azert hoztam ezt fel, mivel a CSEPPSZ felemlitesevel te olyan
"benfentesnek" tuntetted fel magad, s kozben gyakorlatilag ismeretlen
voltal ott.  Egy eset nem valtoztat ezen.

>Veled, kedves Joe, nem megy igazan gordulekenyen a parbeszed.  Nem baj.

Gordulne az jobban is ha te nem ragaszkodnal a lekezelo stilusodhoz.
De hat vegulis valoban: nem baj.

Jozsi
(na, megis kirtam)