Gyorgy Kovacs ) writes:
> Wally Keeler > wrote:
>>
>>I'm sure that you are good at some things, perhaps several things. Well,
>>I'm good at a few other things than being a creditable provocateur.
>>Anyway, don't let me set the agenda. There's much much more to Usenet than
>>getting your nerves rattled by me -- ain't that the truth!
> 
> Agreed.
> GK

Good! now stay the fuck out of my way unless you intend to post more
material about MYSELF.

Ivan Marinov  > wrote:
>Mordekhai wrote:
>> 
>> This was the true Pesakh dinner: After that the Lamb was killed,
>>                                  He was also eatten.
>> 
>> +Mordekhai
>
>PLEASE STOP YOUR ANTI-CHRISTIAN COMMUNIST NAZIST PROPAGANDA!!!

Isn't Mordekhai a Jewish name?  If so, I think he is just trying to
provoke some response from Christians to which then he could point to 
as evidence of anti-semitism.  So let's not fall for his game.

Joe

In article > Ehrlich606,
 writes:
>Magyar has a causative suffix -tat/-tet, -at/-et to make the action of
>verbs compulsory, e.g., enekelni, sing, enekeltetni, make s.o. sing.

We have others as well.
folszall ->folszallit
vesz -> veszit

>Arabic has a similar causative suffix attached to verb stems. [tat].

That in Hungarian is clearly a finno-ugric element.

For instance:
Lapp:
kulla (hall/hear) -> kuläte (hallat)
Votjak:
juni (inni/to drink) -> jutini (itatni)
Finnish:
joutu (jut) -> joudutta (juttat)

Tamas

stefan lemieszewski wrote:
> 
> --- continued from part 1 ---
> 
> But, what has never been identified in a single major Western press
> investigation, was that the Rothschild group was at the heart of the vast
> illegal web of BCCI. The key figure was Dr. Alfred Hartmann, the managing
> director of the BCCI Swiss subsidiary, Banque de Commerce et de Placement SA;
> at the same time, he ran the Zurich Rothschild Bank AG, and sat in London as 
a
> member of the board of N.M. Rothschild and Sons, Hartmann was also a business
> partner of Helmut Raiser, friend of de Picciotto, and linked to Nordex.
> 
> Hartmann was also chairman of the Swiss  affiliate of the Italian BNL bank,
> which was implicated in the Bush administration illegal transfers to Iraq pri
or
> to the 1990 Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. The Atlanta branch of BNL, with the
> knowledge of George Bush when he was vice president, conduited funds to Helmu
t
> Raiser's Zug, Switzerland company, Consen, for development of the CondorII
> missile program by Iraq, Egypt, and Argentina, during the Iran-Iraq War.
> Hartmann was vice-chairman of another secretive private Geneva bank, the Bank
> of NY-Inter-Maritime Bank, a bank whose chairman, Bruce Rappaport, was one of
> the illegal financial conduits for Col. Oliver North's Contra drugs-for-weapo
ns
> network during the late 1980. North also used the BCCI as one of his preferre
d
> banks to hide his illegal funds.
> 
> Rich, Reichmann, and Soros's Israeli links
> 
> According to reports of former U.S. State Department intelligence officers
> familiar with the Soros case, Soros's Quantum Fund amassed a war chest of wel
l
> over $10 billion, with the help of a powerful group of "silent" investors who
> let Soros deploy the capital to demolish European monetary stability in
> September 1992.
> 
> Among Soros's silent investors, these sources say, are the fugitive metals an
d
> oil trader Marc Rich, based in Zug, Switzerland; and Shaul Eisenberg, a
> decades-long member of Israeli Mossad intelligence, who functions as a major
> arms merchant throughout Asia and the Near East. Eisenberg was recently banne
d
> from doing business in Uzbekistan, where he had been accused by the governmen
t
> of massive fraud and corruption. A third Soros partner is Israel's "Dirty Raf
i"
> Eytan, who served in London previously as Mossad liaison to British
> intelligence.
> 
> Rich was one of the most active western traders in oil, aluminum, and other
> commodities in the Soviet Union and Russia between 1989 and 1993. This, not
> coincidentally, is just the period when Grigori Luchansky's Nordex Group beca
me
> a multibillion-dollar company selling Russian oil, aluminum, and other
> commodities.
> 
> Canadian real estate entrepreneur Paul Reichmann, formerly of Olympia and Yor
k
> notoriety, a Hungarian-born Jew like Soros, is a business partner in Soros's
> Quantum Realty, a $525-million real estate investment fund.
> 
> The Reichmann tie links Soros as well with Henry Kissinger and former Tory
> Foreign Minister Lord Carrington (who is also a member of Kissinger Associate
s,
> Inc. of New York). Reichmann sits with both Kissinger and Carrington on the
> board  of the influential British-Canadian publishing group, Hollinger, Inc.
> Hollinger owns a large number of newspapers in Canada and the United States,
> the London Daily Telegraph, and the largest English-language daily in Israel,
> the Jerusalem Post.  Hollinger has been attacking President Clinton and the
> Middle East peace process ever since Clinton's election in November 1992.
> 
> Soros and geopolitics
> 
> Soros is little more than one of several significant vehicles for economic an
d
> financial warfare by the Club of the Isles faction. Because his affiliations 
to
> these interests have not previously been spotlighted, he serves extremely
> useful functions for the oligarchy, as in 1992 and 1993, when he launched his
> attack on the European Rate Mechanism.
> 
> Although Soros's speculation played a role in finally taking the British poun
d
> out of the ERM currency group entirely, it would be a mistake to view that
> action as "anti-British."  Soros went for the first time to London, where he
> studied under Karl Popper and Friedrich von Hayek at the London School of
> Economics.
> 
> Soros's business ties to Sir James Goldsmith and Lord Rothschild place him in
> the inner circles of the Thatcher wing of the British establishment. By helpi
ng
> the "anti-Europe" Thatcherites pull Britain out of the ERM in September 1992
> (and making more than $1 billion in the process at British taxpayer expense),
> Soros helped the long-term goal of the  Thatcherites in weakening continental
> Europe's economic stability. Since 1904 , it has been British geopolitical
> strategy to prevent by all means any successful economic linkage between
> western continental European economies, especially that of Germany, with Russ
ia
> and the countries of eastern Europe.
> 
> Soros's personal outlook is consonant with that of the Thatcher wing of the
> Tory Party, those who three years ago launched the "Germany, the Fourth Reich
"
> hate campaign against unified Germany, comparing Chancellor Helmut Kohl with
> Adolf Hitler. Soros is personally extremely anti-German. In his 191
> autobiography, Underwriting Democracy, Soros warned that a reunited Germany
> would "upset the balance of Europe .... It is easy to see how the interwar
> scenario could be replayed. A united Germany becomes the strongest economic
> power and develops Eastern Europe as its Lebensraum ... a potent witches'
> brew."  Soros's recent public attacks on the German economy and the deutsche
> mark are fundamentally motivated by this geopolitical view.
> 
> Soros is quite close to the circles of George Bush in the U.S. intelligence
> community and finance. His principal bank custodian, and reputed major lender
> in the 1992 assault on Europe's ERM, is Citicorp NA, the nation's largest ban
k.
> Citicorp is more than a lending institution; it is a core part of the America
n
> liberal establishment. In 1989, as it became clear that German unification wa
s
> a real possibility, a senior official at Citicorp, a former adviser to Michae
l
> Dukakis's Presidential campaign, told a European business associate that
> "German unity will be a disaster for our interests; we must take measures to
> ensure a sharp D-Mark collapse on the order of 30%, so that she will not have
> the capability to reconstruct East Germany into the economic engine of a new
> Europe."
> 
> While Soros was calling on world investors to pull down the deutsche mark in
> 1993, he had been making a strong play in the French media, since late 1992, 
to
> portray himself as a "friend of French interests."  Soros is reported to be
> close to senior figures of the French establishment, the Treasury, and in
> particular, Bank of France head Jean-Claude Trichet. In effect, Soros is
> echoing the old Entente Cordiale alliance against Germany, which helped
> precipitate World War 1.
> 
> Soros admits that he survived in Nazi Hungary during the war, as a Jew, by
> adopting what he calls a double personality. "I have lived with a double
> personality practically all my life," Soros recently stated. "It started at a
ge
> fourteen in Hungary, when I assumed a false identity in order to escape
> persecution as a Jew."  Soros admitted in a radio interview that his father
> gave him Nazi credentials in Hungary during the war, and he looted wealthy
> Jewish estates. Further research showed that this operation was probably run 
by
> the SS.
> 
> Soros did not leave the country until two years after the war. Though he and
> his friends in the media are quick to attack any policy opponent of Soros,
> especially in eastern Europe, as being "anti-Semitic," Soros's Jewish identit
y
> apparently has only utilitarian value for him, rather than providing moral
> foundations. In short, the young Soros was a cynical, ambitious person, the
> ideal recruit for the British postwar intelligence network.
> 
> Soros savages eastern Europe
> 
> Soros has established no fewer than 19 "charitable" foundations across easter
n
> Europe and the former Soviet Union. He has sponsored "peace" concerts in form
er
> Yugoslavia with such performers as Joan Baez. He is helping send young east
> Europeans to Oxford University. A model citizen, is the image he broadcasts.
> 
> The reality is something else. Soros has been personally responsible for
> introducing shock therapy into the emerging economies of eastern Europe since
> 1989. He has deliberately fostered on fragile new governments in the east the
> most draconian economic madness, policies which have allowed Soros and his
> financial predator friends, such as Marc Rich and Shaul Eisenberg, to loot th
e
> resources of large parts of eastern Europe at dirt-cheap prices. Here are
> illustrative case histories of Soros's eastern "charity":
> 
> Poland: In late 1989, Soros organized a secret meeting between the "reform"
> communist government of Prime Minister Mieczyslaw Rakowski and the leaders of
> the then-illegal Solidarnosc trade union organization. According to
> well-informed Polish sources, at that 1989 meeting, Soros unveiled his "plan"
> for Poland: The communists must let Solidarnosc take over the government, so 
as
> to gain the confidence of the population. Then, said Soros, the state must ac
t
> to bankrupt its own industrial and agricultural enterprises, using astronomic
al
> interest rates, withholding state credits, and burdening firms with unpayable
> debt. Once thie were done, Soros promised that he would encourage his wealthy
> international business friends to come into Poland, as prospective buyers of
> the privatized state enterprises. A recent example of this privatization plan
> is the case of the large steel facility Huta Warsawa. According to steel
> experts, this modern complex would cost $3-4 billion for a western company to
> build new. Several months ago, the Polish government agreed to assume the deb
ts
> of Huta Warsawa, and to sell the debt-free enterprise to a Milan company,
> Lucchini, for $30 million!.
> 
> Soros recruited his friend, Harvard University economist Jeffery Sachs, who h
ad
> previously advised the Bolivian government in economic policy, leading to the
> takeover of that nation's economy by the cocaine trade. To further his plan i
n
> Poland, Soros set up one of his numerous foundations, the Stefan Batory
> Foundation, the official sponsor of Sach's work in Poland in 1989-90.
> 
> Soros boasts, "I established close personal contact with Walesa's chief
> adviser, Bronislaw Geremek. I was also received by [President Gen Wojciech]
> Jaruzelski, the head of State, to obtain his blessing for my foundation." He
> worked closely with the eminence gris of Polish shock therapy, Witold
> Trzeciakowski, a shadow adviser to Finance Minister   Leszek Balcerowicz. Sor
os
> also cultivated relations with Balcerowicz, the man who would first impose
> Sach's shock therapy on Poland. Soros says when Walesa was elected President,
> that "largely because of western pressure, Walesa retained Balcerowicz as
> minister." Balcerowicz imposed a freeze on wages while industry was to be
> bankrupted by a cutoff of state credits. Industrial output fell by more than
> 30% over two years.
> 
> Soros admits he knew in advance that his shock therapy would cause huge
> unemployment, closing  of factories, and social unrest. For this reason, he
> insisted that Solidarnosc be brought into the government, to help deal with t
he
> unrest. Through the Batory Foundation, Soros coopted key media opinion makers
> such as Adam Michnik, and through cooperation with the U.S. Embassy in Warsaw
,
> imposed a media censorship favorable to Soros's shock therapy, and hostile to
> all critics.
> 
> Russia and the Community of Independent States (CIS): Soros headed a delegati
on
> to Russia, where he had worked together with Raisa Gorbachova since the late
> 1980s, to establish the Cultural Initiative Foundation. As with his other
> "charitable foundations," this was a tax-free vehicle for Soros and his
> influential Western friends to enter the top policymaking levels of the
> country, and for tiny sums of scarce hard currency, but up important politica
l
> and intellectual figures. After a false start under Mikhail Gorbachov in
> 1988-91, Soros shifted to the new Yeltsin circle. It was Soros who introduced
> Jeffery Sachs and shock therapy into Russia, in late 1991. Soros describes hi
s
> effort: "I started mobilizing a group of economists to take to the Soviet Uni
on
> (July 1990). Professor Jeffery Sachs, with whom I had worked in Poland, was
> ready and eager to participate. He suggested a number of other participants:
> Romano Prodi from Italy; David Finch, a retired official from the IMF
> [International Monetary Fund].  I wanted to include Stanley Fischer and Jacob
> Frenkel, heads of research of the World Bank and IMF, respectively; Larry
> Summers from Harvard and Michael Bruno of the Central Bank of Israel."
> 
> Since Jan. 2, 1992, shock therapy has introduced chaos and hyperinflation int
o
> Russia. Irreplaceable groups from advanced scientific research institutes hav
e
> fled in pursuit of jobs in the West. Yegor Gaidar and the Yeltsin government
> imposed draconian cuts in state spending to industry and agriculture, even
> though the entire economy was state-owned. A goal of a zero deficit budget
> within three months was announced. Credit to industry was ended, and
> enterprises piled up astronomical debts, as inflation of the ruble went out o
f
> control.
> 
> The friends of Soros lost no time in capitalizing on this situation. Marc Ric
h
> began buying Russian aluminum at absurdly cheap prices, with his hard currenc
y.
> Rich then dumped the aluminum onto western industrial markets last year,
> causing a 30% collapse in the price of the metal, as western industry had no
> way to compete. There was such an outflow of aluminum last year from Russia,
> that there were shortages of aluminum for Russian fish canneries. At the same
> time, Rich reportedly moved in to secure export control over the supply of mo
st
> West Siberian crude oil to western markets. Rich's companies have been under
> investigation for fraud in Russia, according to a report in the Wall Street
> Journal of May 13, 1993.
> 
> Another Soros silent partner who has moved in to exploit the chaos in the
> former Soviet Union, is Shaul Eisenberg. Eisenberg, reportedly with a letter 
of
> introduction from then-European Bank chief Jacques Attali, managed to secure 
an
> exclusive concession for textiles and other trade in Uzbekistan. When Uzbek
> officials confirmed defrauding of the government by Eisenberg, his concession
s
> were summarily abrogated. The incident has reportedly caused a major loss for
> Israeli Mossad strategic interests throughout the Central Asian republics.
> 
> Soros has extensive influence in Hungary. When nationalist opposition
> parliamentarian Istvan Csurka tried to protest what was being done to ruin th
e
> Hungarian economy, under the policies of Soros and friends, Csurka was labele
d
> an "anti-Semite,"  and in June 1993, he was forced out of the governing
> Democratic Forum, as a result of pressure from Soros-linked circles in Hungar
y
> and abroad, including Soros's close friend, U.S. Rep. Tom Lantos.
> 
> Lighting the Balkan Fuse
> 
> In early 1990, in what was then still Yugoslavia, Soros's intervention with
> shock therapy, in cooperation with the IMF, helped light the economic fuse th
at
> led to the outbreak of war in June 1991. Soros boasted at that time,
> "Yugoslavia is a particularly interesting case. Even as national rivalries ha
ve
> brought the country to the verge of a breakup, a radical monetary stabilizati
on
> program, which was introduced on the same date as in Poland---January 1,
> 1990-----has begun to change the political landscape. The program is very muc
h
> along the Polish lines, and it had greater initial success. By the middle of
> the year, people were beginning to think Yugoslav again."
> 
> Soros is friends with former Deputy Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger,
> the former U.S. ambassador to Belgrade and the patron of Serbian Communist
> leader Slobodan Milosevic. Eagleburger is a past president of Kissinger
> Associates, on whose board sits Lord Carrington, whose Balkan mediations
> supported Serbian aggression into Croatia and Bosnia.
> 
> Today, Soros has established his Foundation centers in Bosnia, Croatia,
> Slovenia, and a Soros Yugoslavia Foundation in Belgrade, Serbia. In Croatia, 
he
> has tried to use his foundation monies to woo influential journalists or to
> slander opponents of his shock therapy, by labeling them variously
> "anti-Semitic"  or  "neo-Nazi."  The head of Soros's Open Society
> Fund---Croatia, Prof. Zarko Puhovski, is a man who has reportedly made a rece
nt
> dramatic conversion from orthodox Marxism to Soros's radical free market. Onl
y
> seven years ago, according to one of his former students, as professor of
> philosophy at the University of Zagreb, Puhovski attacked students trying to
> articulate a critique of communism, by insisting, "It is unprincipled to
> criticize Marxism from a liberal standpoint." His work for the Soros Foundati
on
> in Zagreb has promoted an anti-nationalist "global culture," hiring a network
> of anti-Croatian journalists to propagandize, in effect, for the Serbian caus
e.
> 
> These examples can be elaborated for each of the other 19 locations across
> eastern Europe where George Soros operates. The political agenda of Soros and
> this group of financial "globalists" will create the conditions for a new
> outbreak of war, even world war, if it continues to be tolerated.
> 
> ---end---


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stefan lemieszewski wrote:
> 
> This is another post in the series along the theme that:  " Corrupt elites
> prosper at the people's expense with the aid of the IMF,  World Bank and 'sho
ck
> therapy' policies of Western advisors under the guise of free-trade or
> democratic or market-reforms."
> 
> In his article, "Communique of American-Ukrainian Advisory Committee,"
> in the Dec-10-1995 issue of The Ukrainian Weekly, Eugene M. Iwanciw wrote:
> 
> "The American-Ukrainian Advisory Committee met in New York on November 17-18
> and reiterated its strong conviction that a resilient Ukraine is in the
> interest of European stability and thus also American security. It welcomed t
he
> evident improvement in the American-Ukrainian relationship, especially the
> recognition by the U.S. government of Ukraine's geopolitical significance. It
> also endorsed strongly the reform efforts being pursued by the Ukrainian
> government in order to transform Ukraine into a stable democracy based on a
> free market economy."
> 
> The American participants of the American-Ukrainian Advisory Committee (AUAC)
> sponsored by the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS)
> included:
> 
> Zbigniew Brzezinski (CSIS counselor),
> Richard Burt (chairman, International Equity Partners),
> Frank Carlucci (chairman, Carlyle Group),
> Gen. John Galvin (dean, Fletcher School of International Law and Diplomacy),
> Michael Jordan (chairman and CEO, Westinghouse Electric Corp),
> Henry Kissinger (chairman, Kissinger Associates) and
> George Soros (chairman, Soros Foundations).
> 
> Previous American advisers of AUAC included Malcolm Steve Forbes, Jr.
> (editor-in-chief, Forbes magazine), whose magazine gained some notoriety
> recently for publishing the  "Tinderbox" article by Paul Klebnikov, and Dwayn
e
> Orville Andreas (chairman and CEO, Archer Daniels Midland Co.), whose company
> pleaded guilty last month for anti-trust and price-fixing violations and agre
ed
> to pay a $100 million fine---the largest fine of its kind ever.
> 
> Also in a previous post it was  indicated that at least six of the current
> seven American members of AUAC are also members of the Council of Foreign
> Relations (CFR), including George Soros.
> 
> Previous posts included excerpts on Soros from the 23-page article titled, "T
he
> world according to Soros" written by Connie Bruck in the Jan. 23, 1995 issue 
of
> The New Yorker. It has also been reported that Soros has contributed $15
> million to groups advocating an array of alternatives to the Cinton
> administration's "War on Drugs,"  including  a personal donation of $350,000 
to
> fund a "medical marijuana" ballot  initiative in California and a personal
> donation of $100,000  for a similar ballot initiative in Arizona. The followi
ng
> Nov. 1, 1996 article by the Executive Intelligence Review (EIR) provides
> additional background information on George Soros, one of the American member
s
> of AUAC.
> 
> Stefan Lemieszewski
> ____________________________________________________________
> 
> The Secret Financial Network Behind  "Wizard"  George Soros
> 
> by William Engdahl
> 
> EIR Investigation
> Executive Intelligence Review (EIR), November 1, 1996
> 
> The dossier that follows is based upon a report released on Oct. 1 by EIR's
> bureau in Wiesbaden, Germany, titled "A Profile of Mega-Speculator George
> Soros."  Research was contributed by Mark Burdman, Elisabeth Hellenbroich,
> Paolo Raimondi, and Scott Thompson.
> 
> .............................................................................
..
> ........................................................
> 
> Time magazine has characterized financier George Soros as a "modern-day Robin
> Hood," who robs from the rich to give to the poor countries of eastern Europe
> and Russia. It claimed that Soros makes huge financial gains by speculating
> against western central banks, in order to use his profits to help the emergi
ng
> post-communist economies of eastern Europe and former Soviet Union, to assist
> them to create what he calls an "Open Society." The Time statement is entirel
y
> accurate in the first part, and entirely inaccurate in the second. He robs fr
om
> rich western countries, and uses his profits to rob even more savagely from t
he
> East, under the cloak of "philanthropy." His goal is to loot wherever and
> however he can. Soros has been called the master manipulator of "hit-and-run
> capitalism."
> 
> As we shall see, what Soros means by "open," is a society that allows him and
> his financial predator friends to loot the resources and precious assets of
> former Warsaw Pact economies. By bringing people like Jeffrey Sachs or Sweden
's
> Anders Aslund and their economic shock therapy into these economies, Soros la
ys
> the groundwork for buying up the assets of whole regions of the world at
> dirt-cheap prices.
> 
> The man who broke the Bank of England?
> 
> An examination of Soros's secretive financial network is vital to understand
> the true dimension of the "Soros problem" in eastern Europe and other nations
.
> 
> Following the crisis of the European Exchange Rate Mechanism of September 199
2,
> when the Bank of England was forced to abandon efforts to stabilize the pound
> sterling, a little-known financial figure emerged from the shadows, to boast
> that he had personally made over $1 billion in speculation against the Britis
h
> pound. The speculator was the Hungarian-born George Soros, who spent the war 
in
> Hungary under false papers working for the Nazi government, identifying and
> expropriating the property of wealthy fellow Jews. Soros left Hungary after t
he
> war, and established American citizenship after some years in London. Today,
> Soros is based in New York, but that tells little, if anything, of who and wh
at
> he is.
> 
> Following his impressive claims to possession of a "Midas touch," Soros has l
et
> his name be publicly used in a blatant attempt to influence world financial
> markets---an out-of-character act for most financial investors, who prefer to
> take advantage of situations not yet discovered by rivals, and keep them
> secret. Soros the financier is as much a political animal, as a financial
> speculator.
> 
> Soros proclaimed in March 1993, with great publicity, that the price of gold
> was about to rise sharply; he said that he had just gotten "inside informatio
n"
> that China was about to buy huge sums of gold for its booming economy. Soros
> was able to trigger a rush into buying gold, which caused prices to rise more
> than 20% over four months, to the highest level since 1991. Typically for
> Soros, once the fools rushed in to push prices higher, Soros and his friend S
ir
> James Goldsmith secretly began selling their gold at a huge profit.
> 
> Then, in early June 1993, Soros proclaimed his intent to force a sell-off in
> German government bonds in favor of the French, in an open letter to London
> Times Financial Editor Anatole Kaletsky, in which Soros proclaimed, "Down wit
h
> the D-Mark!"  Soros has at various times attacked the currencies of Thailand,
> Malaysia, Indonesia, and Mexico, coming into newly opened financial markets
> which have little experience with foreign investors, let alone ones with larg
e
> funds like Soros. Soros begins buying stocks or bonds in the local market,
> leading others to naively suppose that he knows something they do not. As wit
h
> gold, when the smaller investors begin to follow Soros, driving prices of
> stocks or whatever higher, Soros begins to sell to the eager new buyers,
> cashing in his 40% or 100% profits, then exiting the market, and often, the
> entire country, to seek another target for his speculation. This technique ga
ve
> rise to the term "hit and run."  What Soros always leaves behind, is a
> collapsed local market and financial ruin of national investors.
> 
> The secret of the Quantum Fund NV
> 
> Soros is the visible side of a vast and nasty secret network of private
> financial interests, controlled by the leading aristocratic and royal familie
s
> of Europe, centered in the British House of Windsor. This network, called by
> its members the Club of Isles, was built upon the wreckage of the British
> Empire after World War II.
> 
> Rather than use the powers of the state to achieve their geopolitical goals, 
a
> secret cross-linked holding of private financial interests, tied to the old
> aristocratic oligarchy of western Europe, was developed. It was in many ways
> modeled on the 17th-century British and Dutch East India Companies. The heart
> of this Club of the Isles is the financial center of the old British Empire,
> the City of London. Soros is one of what in medieval days were called Hofjude
n,
> the "Court Jews,"  who were deployed by the aristocratic families.
> 
> The most important of such "Jews who are not Jews," are the Rothschilds, who
> launched Soros's career. They are members of the Club of the Isles and
> retainers of the British royal family. This has been true since Amschel
> Rothschild sold the British Hessian troops to fight against George Washington
> during the American Revolution.
> 
> Soros is American only in his passport. He is a global financial operator, wh
o
> happens to be in New York, simply because "that's where the money is," as the
> bank robber Willy Sutton once quipped, when asked why he always robbed banks.
> Soros speculates in world financial markets through his offshore company,
> Quantum Fund NV, a private investment fund, or "hedge fund." His hedge fund
> reportedly manages some $11-14 billion of funds on behalf of its clients, or
> investors---one of the most prominent of whom is, according to Soros, Britain
's
> Queen Elizabeth, the wealthiest person in Europe.
> 
> The Quantum Fund is registered in the tax haven of the Netherlands Antilles, 
in
> the Caribbean. This is to avoid paying taxes, as well as to hide the true
> nature of his investors and what he does with their money.
> 
> In order to avoid U.S. government supervision of his financial activities,
> something normal U.S.-based investment funds must by law agree to in order to
> operate, Soros moved his legal headquarters to the Caribbean tax haven of
> Curacao. The Netherlands Antilles has repeatedly been cited by the Task Force
> on Money Laundering of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and
> Development (OECD) as one of the world's most important centers for launderin
g
> illegal proceeds of the Latin American cocaine and other drug traffic. It is 
a
> possession of the Netherlands.
> 
> Soros has taken care that the none of the 99 individual investors who
> participate in his various funds is an American national. By U.S. securities
> law, a hedge fund is limited to no more than 99 highly wealthy individuals,
> so-called "sophisticated investors."  By structuring his investment company a
s
> an offshore hedge fund, Soros avoids public scrutiny.
> 
> Soros himself is not even on the board of Quantum Fund. Instead, for legal
> reasons, he serves the Quantum Fund as official "investment adviser," through
> another company, Soros Fund Management, of New York City. If any demand were 
to
> be made of Soros to reveal the details of Quantum Fund's operations, he is ab
le
> to claim he is "merely its investment adviser." Any competent police
> investigator looking at the complex legal structure of Soros's businesses wou
ld
> conclude that there is prima facie evidence of either vast money laundering o
f
> illicit funds, or massive illegal tax evasion. Both may be true.
> 
> To make it impossible for U.S. tax authorities or other officials to look int
o
> the financial dealings of his web of businesses, the board of directors of
> Quantum Fund NV also includes no American citizens. His directors are Swiss,
> Italian, and British financiers.
> 
> George Soros is part of a tightly knit financial mafia---"mafia," in the sens
e
> of a closed masonic-like fraternity of families pursuing common aims. Anyone
> who dares to criticize Soros or any of his associates, is immediately hit wit
h
> the charge of being  "anti-Semitic"----a criticism which often silences or
> intimidates genuine critics of Soros's unscrupulous operations. The
> Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith considers it a top priority to "protec
t"
> Soros from the charges of "anti-Semites" in Hungary and elsewhere in Central
> Europe, according to ADL National Director Abraham Foxman. The ADL's record o
f
> service to the British oligarchy has been amply documented by EIR (e.g. The
> Ugly Truth About the Anti-Defamation League [Washington, D.C., Executive
> Intelligence Review: 1992]).
> 
> According to knowledgeable U.S. and European investigators, Soros's circle
> includes indicted metals and commodity speculator and fugitive Marc Rich of
> Zug, Switzerland and Tel Aviv; secretive Israeli arms and commodity dealer
> Shaul Eisenberg, and "Dirty Rafi" Eytan, both linked to the financial side of
> the Israeli Mossad; and, the family of Jacob Lord Rothschild.
> 
> Understandably, Soros and the Rothschild interests prefer to keep their
> connection hidden far from public view, so as to obscure the well-connected
> friends Soros enjoys in the City of London, the British Foreign Office, Israe
l,
> and the U.S. financial establishment. The myth, therefore, has been created,
> that Soros is a lone financial investment "genius" who, through his sheer
> personal brilliance in detecting shifts in markets, has become one of the
> world's most successful speculators. According to those who have done busines
s
> with him, Soros never makes a major investment move without sensitive insider
> information.
> 
> On the board of directors of Soros's Quantum Fund N.V. is Richard Katz, a
> Rothschild man who is also on the board of the London N.M. Rothschild and Son
s
>  merchant bank, and the head of Rothschild Italia S.p.A. of Milan. Another
> Rothschild family link to Soros's Quantum Fund is Quantum board member Nils O
.
> Taube, the partner of the London investment group St. James Place Capital,
> whose major partner is Lord Rothschild. London Times columnist Lord William
> Rees-Mogg is also on the board of Rothschild's St. James Place Capital.
> 
> A frequent business partner of Soros in various speculative deals, including 
in
> the 1993 gold manipulation, although not on the Quantum Fund directly, is the
> Anglo-French speculator Sir James Goldsmith, a cousin of the Rothschild famil
y.
> 
> From the very first days when Soros created his own investment fund in 1969, 
he
> owed his success to his relation to the Rothschild family banking network.
> Soros worked in New York in the 1960s for a small private bank close to the
> Rothschilds, Arnhold & S. Bleichroeder, Inc., a banking family which
> represented Rothschild interests in Germany during Bismarck's time. To this
> day, A. & S. Bleichroeder, Inc. remains the Principal Custodian, along with
> Citibank, of funds of Soros's Quantum Fund. George C. Karlweiss, of Edmond de
> Rothschild's Switzerland-based Banque Privee SA in Lugano, as well as of the
> scandal-tainted Rothschild Bank AG of Zurich, gave Soros financial backing.
> Karlweiss provided some of the vital initial capital and investors for Soros'
s
> Quantum Fund.
> 
> Union Banque Privee and the 'Swiss connection'
> 
> Another member of the board of Soros's Quantum Fund is the head of one of the
> most controversial Swiss private banks, Edgar de Picciotto, who has been call
ed
> "one of the cleverest bankers in Geneva"---and is one of the most
> scandal-tainted. De Picciotto, from an old Portuguese Jewish trading family,
> who was born in Lebanon, is head of the Geneva private bank CBI-TDB Union
> Bancaire Privee, a major player in the gold and offshore hedge funds business
.
> Hedge funds have been identified by international police agencies as the
> fastest-growing outlet for illegal money laundering today.
> 
> De Picciotto is a longtime friend and business associate of banker Edmond
> Safra, also born in Lebanon, whose family came from Aleppo, Syria, and who no
w
> controls the Republic Bank of New York. Republic Bank has been identified in
> U.S. investigations into Russian organized crime, as the bank involved in
> transferring billions of U.S. Federal Reserve notes from New York to organize
d
>  crime-controlled Moscow banks, on behalf of Russian organized crime figures.
> Safra is under investigation by U.S. and Swiss authorities for laundering
> Turkish and Columbian drug money. In 1990, Safra's Trade Development Bank (TD
B)
> of Geneva was merged with de Picciotto's CBI to create the CBI-TDB Union Banq
ue
> Privee. The details of the merger are shrouded in secrecy to this day. As par
t
> of the deal, de Picciotto became a board member of American Express Bank
> (Switzerland) SA of Geneva, and two American Express Bank of New York
> executives sit on the board of de Picciotto's Union Banque Privee. Safra had
> sold his Trade Development Bank to American Express, Inc. in the 1980s. Henry
> Kissinger sits on the board of American Express, Inc., which has repeatedly
> been implicated in international money-laundering scandals.
> 
> De Picciotto's start as a Geneva banker came from Nicholas Baring of the Lond
on
> Barings Bank, who tapped de Picciotto to run the bank's secret Swiss bank
> business. Barings has for centuries been private banker to the British royal
> family, and since the bank's collapse in March 1995, has been overhauled by t
he
> Dutch ING Bank, which is reported to be a major money-laundering institution.
> 
> De Picciotto is also a longtime business partner of Venetian businessman Carl
o
> De Benedetti, who recently was forced to resign as head of Olivetti Corp. Bot
h
> persons sit on the board of the Societe Financiere de Geneve investment holdi
ng
> company in Geneva. De Benedetti is under investigation in Italy for suspicion
> of triggering the collapse of Italy's Banco Ambrosiano in the early 1980s.The
> head of that bank, Roberto Calvi, was later found hanging from the London
> Blackfriar's Bridge, in what police believe was a masonic ritual murder.
> 
> De Picciotto and his Union Banque Privee have been implicated in numerous dru
g
> and illegal money-laundering operations. In November 1994, U.S. federal agent
s
> arrested a senior official of de Picciotto's Geneva bank, Jean-Jacques Handal
i,
> along with two other UBP officials, on charges of leading a multimillion-doll
ar
> drug-money-laundering ring. According to the U.S. Attorney's Office in Miami,
> Handali and Union Banque Privee were the "Swiss connection" in an internation
al
> drug-money-laundering ring tied to Colombian and Turkish cocaine and heroin
> organizations. A close business and political associate of de Picciotto is a
> mysterious arm dealer, Helmut Raiser, who is linked in business dealings with
> reputed Russian organized crime kingpin Grigori Luchansky, who controls the
> Russian and Swiss holding company Nordex Group.
> 
> Another director of Soros's Quantum Fund is Isodoro Albertini, owner of the
> Milan stock brokerage firm Albertini and Co.   Beat Notz of the Geneva Banque
> Worms is another private banker on the board of Soros's Quantum Fund, as is
> Alberto Foglia, who is chief of the Lugano, Switzerland Banca del Ceresio.
> Lugano, just across the Swiss border from Milan, is notorious as the financia
l
> secret bank haven for Italian organized crime families, including the heroin
> mafia behind the 1980s "Pizza Connection"  case. The Banca del Ceresio has be
en
> one of the secret Swiss banks identified in the recent Italian political
> corruption scandals as the repository of bribe funds of several Italian
> politicians now in prison.
> 
> The sponsorship of the Rothschilds
> 
> Soros's relation to the Rothschild finance circle represents no ordinary or
> casual banking connection. It goes a long way to explain the extraordinary
> success of a mere private speculator, and Soros's uncanny ability to "gamble
> right" so many times in such high-risk markets. Soros has access to the
> "insider track" in some of the most important government and private channels
> in the world.
> 
> Since World War II, the Rothschild family, at the heart of the financial
> apparatus of the Club of the Isles, has gone to great lengths to create a
> public myth about its own insignificance. The family has spent significant su
ms
> cultivating a public image as a family of wealthy, but quiet, "gentlemen," so
me
> of whom prefer to cultivate fine French wines, some of whom are devoted to
> charity.
> 
> Since British Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour wrote his famous November 1917
> letter to Lord Rothschild, expressing official British government backing for
> establishment of a Palestinian national home for the Jewish people, the
> Rothschilds were intimately involved in the creation of Israel. But behind
> their public facade of a family donating money for projects such as planting
> trees in the deserts of Israel, N.M. Rothschild of London is at the center of
> various intelligence operations, and more than once has been linked to the mo
re
> unsavory elements of international organized crime. The family prefers to kee
p
> such links at arm's length, and away from its London headquarters, via its
> lesser-known outposts such as their Zurich Rothschild Bank AG and Rothschild
> Italia of Milan, the bank of Soros partner Richard Katz.
> 
> N.M. Rothschild is considered by City of London sources to be one of the most
> influential parts of the British intelligence establishment, tied to the
> Thatcher "free market" wing of the Tory Party. Rothschild and Sons made huge
> sums managing for Thatcher the privatization of billions of dollars of Britis
h
> state industry holdings during the 1980s, and today, for John Major's
> government. Rothschilds is also at the very heart of the world gold trade,
> being the bank at which twice daily the London Gold Fix is struck by a group 
of
> the five most influential gold trade banks. Gold constitutes a major part of
> the economy of drug dealings globally.
> 
> N.M. Rothschild and Sons is also implicated in some of the filthiest
> drugs-for-weapons secret intelligence operations. Because it is connected to
> the highest levels of the British intelligence establishment, Rothschilds
> managed to evade any prominent mention of its complicity in one of the more
> sordid black covert intelligence networks, that of the Bank of Credit and
> Commerce International (BCCI). Rothschilds was at the center of the
> international web of money-laundering banks used during the 1970s and 1980s b
y
> Britain's MI-6 and the networks of Col. Oliver North and George Bush, to
> finance such projects as the Nicaraguan Contras.
> 
> On June 8, 1993 the chairman of the U.S. House of Representatives' Committee 
on
> Banking, Rep. Henry Gonzalez (D-Tex.), made a speech charging that the U.S.
> government, under the previous Bush and Reagan administrations, had
> systematically refused to prosecute the BCCI, and that the Department of
> Justice had repeatedly refused to cooperate with Congressional investigations
> of both the BCCI scandal and what Gonzalez claims is the closely related
> scandal of the Atlanta, Georgia Banca Nationale del Lavoro, which was alleged
> to have secured billions in loans from the Bush administration to Saddam
> Hussein, just prior to the Gulf War of 1990-91.
> 
> Gonzalez charged that the Bush administration had "a Justice Department that 
I
> say, and I repeat, has been the most corrupt, most unbelievably corrupt justi
ce
> system that I have seen in the 32 years I have been in the Congress."
> 
> The BCCI violated countless laws, including laundering drug money, financing
> illegal arms traffic, and falsifying bank records. In July 1991, New York
> District Attorney Robert Morgenthau announced a grand jury indictment against
> BCCI, charging it with having committed "the largest bank fraud in world
> financial history. BCCI operated as a corrupt criminal organization throughou
t
> its entire 19-year history."
> 
> The BCCI had links directly into the Bush White House. Saudi Sheik Kamal Adha
m,
> a BCCI director and former head of Saudi Arabian intelligence when George Bus
h
> was head of the CIA, was one of the BCCI shareholders indicted in the United
> States. Days after his indictment, former top Bush White House aide Edward
> Rogers went to Saudi Arabia as a private citizen to sign a contract to
> represent Sheikh Adham in the United States.
> 
> --- continued in part  2 ---


The Soros Foundation does wonderful work abroad.  I believe that during 
the war, the Soros Foundation even provided money to Serbia so that a 
more or less free press could stay operative.  The work of this 
foundation in the Balkans seems to me balanced and valuable.  If you have 
any other information on this important organization, however, do not 
hesitate to provide us with that information, complete with citations, 
addresses and telephone numbers so that the information can be properly 
verified and not simply considered propaganda.

In article >,  says...

>
>The Soros Foundation does wonderful work abroad.  I believe that during 
>the war, the Soros Foundation even provided money to Serbia so that a 
>more or less free press could stay operative.  The work of this 
>foundation in the Balkans seems to me balanced and valuable.  If you have 
>any other information on this important organization, however, do not 
>hesitate to provide us with that information, complete with citations, 
>addresses and telephone numbers so that the information can be properly 
>verified and not simply considered propaganda.


I did indicate that Connie Bruck wrote a 23-page article titled, "The world 
according to Soros" in the Jan. 23, 1995 issue of The New Yorker. She too was 
very critical of Soros. As for Soros foundations, here is an excerpt from her 
article on the Moscow foundation:

 "In the most recent imbroglio at the Moscow foundation, last spring, it 
emerged that employees had lent foundation monies to a car dealership in 
exchange for more than sixty cars, several of which the employees took for 
their own; computers and other goods that were supposed to be distributed and 
had been stockpiled in a warehouse; and roughly fourteen million dollars, which
 
was supposed to have been spent on programs, instead had been deposited in 
banks of such poor reputation that those deposits raised the question, at 
least, of kickbacks."

There are many similarly critical examples in her article.

Stefan Lemieszewski

On 3 Nov 1996 10:02:40 GMT, Mordekhai > wrote:

>
>
>>> That's why Jesus gave to the apostles the power to change the human semen
>>> into the Holy Spirit.
>>
>> I agree that there is a strong parallel between the Holy Spirit and
>> human semen in that human semen is involved in the creation of new
>> life, and when the Holy Spirit comes upon a human being, he or she is
>> filled with new life, but I don't understand what you are intending
>> to say whgen you say that "Jesus gave to the apostles the power to
>> change the human semen into the Holy Spirit.
>
>I am intending to say that Jesus gave to the apostles the power
>to manipulate the divine person of the Holy Spirit. They received
>the power to force the Holy Spirit to take on himself the image
>of their semen. Not the semen is holy, but the Holy Spirit
>which looks like a semen. It is like Eucharist: the difference
>between bread and wine and body and blood of Christ. Both look
>same, but in fact it is completly different. The sinful sexual
>acts like adultery or pederasty become with the Holy Spirit
>holy.
>
>>> Why it is important? Well, for example when you fuck a boy with a semen,
>>> it is a sin (Leviticus 18:22), but if you fuck a boy with the Holy Spirit,
>>> you bless him (Genesis 32:24-29).
>>
>> This seems to me to be saying that the passing on of the Holy
>> Spirit from one person to another is very like sexual intercourse
>> in that it is a gift of new life.  Am I correct?
>
>Exactly.
>
>>> What is without the Holy Spirit adultery, is with the Spirit blessing.
>>
>> Are you saying that the physical act of sex has to be an actual
>> part of this blessing?  Or is the symbolic act - such as the laying
>> on of hands enought to transmit the Holy Spirit?
>
>The blessing is an ejaculation, i.e. when the Holy Spirit, which looks like
>a semen, goes out trought someone's penis, and someone is filled
>by the Holy Spirit.
>
>> I Corinthians suggests that the early churches had sexual orgies as
>> part of their worship.  Paul condemned this as being wrong.  My own
>> opinion is that the form of pagan worship that was carried out by
>> the gentile nations included sex-orgies - and Christianity held
>> this to be wrong.  I wouldn't have thought that the spiritual orgy
>> that you describe would have looked like a sex orgy - why do you
>> feel that this is the case?
>
>Well, the power over the Holy Spirit received Peter and apostles as whole.
>These are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven (Mattew 16:3 (?), 18:18).
>On this power is based the apostolic tradition of the Catholic Church.
>Christians held the gentile sex-orgies to be wrong, because they
>didn't believe that from the gentile proceed the Holy Spirit, and
>they didn't belive that they have the power to force the Holy Spirit
>to take on himself the image of their semen.
>
>In case of Acts 2:1-4 is written about tongues which looked like tongues
>of fire. From the context is also clear that by that tongues were
>the apostles filled by the Holy Spirit. What is more natural to think
>than that the tongues were the erected penises of the apostles, and that
>the Holy Spirit, which looked like a semen proceeded through them.
>They filled each other by the Holy Spirit.
>
>To understand the crucial importance of the apostolic power help us
>Platon in his famous work "Symposium" where he decribes the relations
>between him and Socrates. Socrates was his teacher. Socrates met
>Platon when he was 13 years old boy. The relations between them were
>highly homoerotical. Socrates loved Platon, made with him love, and
>taught him philosophy. He taucht him, because he loved him. I think
>that this is exactly the thing that ensures the judeo-catholic continuation.
>The knowledge of Torah goes hand-in-hand together with Eros. It is
>the mystery of the relation father-son. In the Holy Trinity Christians
>glorify the sacred homosexuality. The Father loves his Son, and he fill
>him by the Holy Spirit. The same Holy Spirit proceeds from both:
>from the Father and from the Son. The Catholic Church tries to incorporate
>the life of the Holy Trinity in its own life. That's why there is
>the obligation of celibacy (i.e. to be not married and no other obligation),
>and inadmission of women to an active priesthood (because from woman cannot
>proceed the Holy Spirit in his most natural image, i.e. that of semen).
>
>Mordekhai
>

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