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1 Human Rights Seminar - Registration Form (mind)  124 sor     (cikkei)
2 Human Rights Seminar (mind)  254 sor     (cikkei)
3 Re: Dreher brewery (mind)  11 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: Dreher brewery (mind)  21 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: visit to Hungary (mind)  18 sor     (cikkei)
6 Re: Trouble in Prague (mind)  22 sor     (cikkei)
7 Re: visit to Hungary (mind)  22 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: The standing of the Hungarian economy (mind)  41 sor     (cikkei)
9 Re: Dreher brewery (mind)  16 sor     (cikkei)
10 Re: The standing of the Hungarian economy (mind)  45 sor     (cikkei)
11 Re: visit to Hungary (mind)  12 sor     (cikkei)
12 Re: visit to Hungary (mind)  12 sor     (cikkei)
13 Dreher brewery (mind)  10 sor     (cikkei)
14 Re: Dreher brewery (mind)  18 sor     (cikkei)
15 Re: Dreher brewery (mind)  8 sor     (cikkei)
16 Re: Smoking and related topics - (mind)  6 sor     (cikkei)
17 Hungarian Art Gallery on the Web (mind)  27 sor     (cikkei)
18 The standing of the Hungarian economy (mind)  33 sor     (cikkei)
19 President Goncz on the csangos (mind)  48 sor     (cikkei)
20 HL-Action: Request to Goncz (mind)  110 sor     (cikkei)
21 Smoking and related topics - (mind)  42 sor     (cikkei)
22 [Fwd: RFE/RL Newsline CZ/SK Selection No. 35] (mind)  146 sor     (cikkei)
23 Re: Suggestions Re: Cancer and ... (mind)  23 sor     (cikkei)
24 Re: Trouble in Prague (mind)  19 sor     (cikkei)
25 Re: Dreher brewery (mind)  19 sor     (cikkei)
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27 Re: visit to Hungary (mind)  17 sor     (cikkei)
28 Re: Suggestions Re: Cancer and ... (mind)  7 sor     (cikkei)
29 Re: Dreher brewery (mind)  10 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Human Rights Seminar - Registration Form (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

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Please join us for the
8th Annual Human Rights Workshop
June 5-7, 1997

at the McKenny Union, Eastern Michigan University, Ypsilanti, Michigan

Organized and sponsored by Non-Governmental Organizations (NGO's), including th
e
 Hungarian
American Coalition, Hungarian Communion of Friends, American Hungarian
 Federation, First Unitarian
Church of Toledo, the Hungarian Human Rights Foundation, and the Honors Program
 of Eastern Michigan
University and endorsed by the Interfaith Justice and Peace Center.

The Workshop will begin at 7:30 p.m. Thursday night, June 5th with a Plenary
 Session-Public Forum.  Expert
instructors in the fields of history, government relations, grassroots politica
l
 organizations, information networks,
and the media will lead the Friday and Saturday sessions.  Topics will include
 the historical background and present
conditions in regions formerly and/or presently dominated by Russian or Chinese
 great power aspirations.  Our
intention is to inform the American public about human rights issues in areas
 like East Central Europe and Tibet.
Other topics of discussion will include the American political process, the
 treatment of ethnic communities in the
American media, and what we, American human rights activists can do to inform
 policymakers as well as the
general public.

The workshop's special guests will be Bhuchung Tsering, Communications Director
 of the International Campaign
for Tibet, and Viktor Bauer, Vice President of the Coexistence Movement in
 Slovakia and former President of
CSEMADOK.

$______________________________________________________________________________
_
 ____________________________________________
REGISTRATION FORM

1997 Human Rights Workshop, Eastern Michigan University

Registration fee:               _____   $125.00 (includes conference fee, meals
 & housing)
                                        _____     $80.00 (includes conference f
e
 e & meals)
                                        _____     $60.00 (includes only confere
n
 ce fee)

Please make checks payable to the Hungarian American Coalition

Note:   The Thursday night Plenary Session is open to the general public

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ADDRESS:
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CITY/STATE/ZIP:
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TELEPHONE:      __________________      FAX:    __________________      E-MAIL:
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Further information about the workshop, including the program and accommodation
s
 will be sent to all registrants.
The workshop is not exclusivley limited to college age students but will be
 limited to 50 participants.

ARRIVAL DATE/TIME:      ___________________     DEPARTURE DATE/TIME     _______
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 ____________

Registration for the Conference/Workshop will be $125 for the weekend.  This
 includes meals and housing at
student residence halls for three nights.  For individuals who would like meals
 but do not need housing, registration
will be $80.  For individuals who want to attend the Workshop but do not need
 housing or meals the registration
will be $60.  Individuals with financial difficulties who cannot cover the cost
s
 should contact the organizer at the
address provided.  We have a limited number of "workshop scholarships."

Complete this form and send it with your registration fee before the
 registration deadline of May 25th to:
Hungarian American Coalition, 818 Connecticut Avenue, NW, Suite 850, Washington
,
 DC 20006
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8th ANNUAL HUMAN RIGHTS CONFERENCE AND WORKSHOP


HUMAN RIGHTS AND MINORITY RIGHTS:

GLOBAL AND REGIONAL CONCERNS





June 5-7, 1997





EASTERN MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY

YPSILANTI, MICHIGAN











DRAFT PROGRAM

DRAFT PROGRAM

Thursday, June 5th

3:00-6:00 p.m.          Arrival and Registration
6:00-7:30 p.m.          Reception
7:30 p.m.               Opening Session: Public Forum
                                "Human Rights Violations: Perceptions and Reali
t
 y"
                        Host:   William Miller, Program Director, University Ho
n
 ors Program,=20
                                                        Eastern Michigan Univer
s
 ity
                        Moderator: Edith Lauer, Hungarian American Coalition
                        Keynote Panel:
                        "China's Tibet Problem"
                                Bhuchung Tsering,       Communications Director
,
                                                        International Campaign 
f
 or Tibet
                        "Slovakia: The Denial of Hungarian Language and Cultura
l
  Rights"
                                Viktor Bauer,           Coexistence Movement, B
r
 atislava
                        "NATO Enlargement and European Integration: Prospects a
n
 d Challenges for=
=20
                          Minority Rights"
                                Frank Koszor=FAs, Jr.,  Hungarian American Coal
i
 tion
                        Discussion and Questions

Friday, June 6th

8:00-9:00 a.m.          Breakfast
9:00-9:30 a.m.          Introduction and Workshop Objectives
                                Edith Lauer
9:30-10:30 a.m. =93Minorities and Majorities: Conquered Peoples,=
 Colonizing-Settlers, and Ruling=20
                        Majorities=94
                                Andrew Lud=E1nyi,       Ohio Northern Universit
y
10:30-10:45 a.m.        Break
10:45-12:30 p.m.        "Feeding the Media: Press releases and contacts"
                                Bhuchung Tsering,       International Campaign 
f
 or Tibet
                                Krisztina =DAjv=E1gi (White House Intern)
12:30-1:45 p.m. Lunch
2:00-3:00 p.m.          "From Policy to Law and from Law to Policy"
                                Frank Koszor=FAs, Jr.,  Hungarian American Coal
i
 tion
3:00-5:30 p.m.          "Visit with Marcy Kaptur, Congressional briefing at Tol
e
 do,=
 Ohio office=20
on                              legislative perspectives on how best to protect
 the human rights of=
=20
Tibetans,                               Albanians, Hungarians, and others."
5:30-7:00 p.m.          Neighborhood Tour and Dinner at Tony Packo's
8:00-10:00 p.m. Visit with Birmingham Community Leaders at the Hungarian=
 Club of Toledo
                        224 Paine Avenue, Toledo, OH 43605  (Transportation pro
v
 ided)


Saturday, June 7th

8:00-9:00 a.m.          Breakfast
9:00-9:45 a.m.          "From Opposition to Romanian Government Coalition Partn
e
 r:=
 Prospects and=20
                        Implications for RMDSZ"
                                =C1rp=E1d Nemes,                (SAIS)
9:45-10:15 a.m. "Vojvodina After Dayton: Refugees and Natives"
                                G=E1bor Szor=E1d,       Hungarian Human Rights 
F
 oundation
10:15-10:30 a.m.        Break
10:30-11:15 a.m.        "Carpatho-Ukraine After the Millicentenarian Celebratio
n
 s"
                                Viktor Bauer and Andrew Lud=E1nyi
11:15-12:00 p.m.        =93Politically correct vocabulary: Dos and don'ts of le
t
 ter=
 writing=94
                                Koszor=FAs, Lauer, Lud=E1nyi, Nemes
12:00-1:30 p.m. Lunch
1:30-2:15 p.m.          "Planning Congressional and White House Briefings=94
                                P=E9ter =DAjv=E1gi, L=E1szl=F3 H=E1mos, Kriszti
n
 a =DAjv=E1gi
2:15-2:30 p.m.          Break
2:30-3:15 p.m.          "Revising Strategies and Tactics to Meet New Challenges
"
                                Bauer, Koszor=FAs, Lauer, H=E1mos
3:15-4:30 p.m.          Assessment of the 1997 Workshop and Plans for the 1998=
 Workshop
4:30-5:00 p.m.          Written evaluation and suggestions for future workshops
5:30-7:00 p.m.          Picnic Dinner on the "Beach," in University Park at Eas
t
 ern=
 Michigan=20
University
7:00-11:00 p.m. Party Time/Quiz Bowl: "What do you know about human rights?"
                                G=E1bor Szor=E1d











For additional information, please call Prof. Andrew Lud=E1nyi at (419)=
 772-2097,
Krisztina =DAjv=E1gi at (313) 487-4765, or Kl=E1ry Hefty at (202) 296-9505.

















































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____________________________________________________________________________=
______________________

8TH ANNUAL HUMAN RIGHTS WORKSHOP  -  EASTERN MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY, YPSILANTI,=
 MICHIGAN  -  JUNE 5-7, 1997





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+ - Re: Dreher brewery (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

>I have read in the 'Magyar Hirlap' that the brewery which charged a 1000,000 F
T
> bill had
>been closed for 90 days. An investigation will begin and if anything else is
> found the
>restaurant is history.

The closure pertains to the restaurant. The Dreher brewery (actually it has
another owner: Kobanyai Serfozo) merely franchised the restaurant, which is
a common European practice. It announced cancellation of the franchise.
Dreher is by no means guilty, indeed did the right thing.    Andy.
+ - Re: Dreher brewery (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Janos Zsargo wrote:
>
> I have read in the 'Magyar Hirlap' that the brewery which charged a 1000,000
 FT
>  bill

It was not the brewery. It was a licensed restaurant. The licence is
revoked.
had
> been closed for 90 days. An investigation will begin and if anything else is
>  found the
> restaurant is history. Also, the authorities are planning to examine the
 similar
>  breweries

Restaurants.

> all around Budapest.
>
> J.Zs
( I do apologise )
+ - Re: visit to Hungary (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

aheringer wrote:
>
> >> Agnes
> >It was discussed in the Hungarian press ( on the Net, as well )
> >and on the HVG-Forum
> >Miklos
>
> Barna just transmitted the article to me.  Apparently, I read the wrong
> papers (The Toronto Star) and listen to the wrong radio station (CFRB)
> that I didn't know about it.  I don't read the Forum regularly because it
> is just too much, and I don't read the Hungarian press.  However, it
> seems that sooner or later this kind of news reaches everybody...
>
> Agnes
This one did. Instead of a promotion campaign of the Fazekas-people
( I4ts no longer IKM but IKIM ( Ipari- Kereskedelmi is Idegenforgalmi
Miniszterium - de most semmit sem hallotam roluk ).
Miklos
+ - Re: Trouble in Prague (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Gabor Fencsik wrote:
>
> Eva S. Balogh writes about rumors of a run on the Czech crown:
>
> >       The New York Times--although I like the paper very much--has not
> > reported a thing on the Czech republic lately, so we, in this country,
> > are not really aware of what's going on at the moment in Prague.
>
> At the risk of sounding devotional again, I beg to disagree.  I could
> swear I read about it in the Times within the last 3 days.  (Eva, do
> you make it through the business section?)  I distinctly recall some
> Czech central bank type sounding nonchalant about it, saying that
> all is normal, a run on the crown is nothing to worry about.  "That's
> what currency reserves are for", he said, breathtakingly.  Sounds like
> famous last words to me...
>
> -----
> Gabor Fencsik
Well, it was more to it. Klaus4 and his parties popularity is at an
all-time low. Frictions with neighbours...and EU. It is not just
business section. It4s politics as well.
MKH
+ - Re: visit to Hungary (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

E.S. Balogh wrote:
>
> At 12:58 AM 5/21/97 GMT, Agnes wrote:
>
> >I don't read the Forum regularly because it
> >is just too much,
>
>         More than one way.
>
> >and I don't read the Hungarian press.
>
>         I really suggest you to read BLA. It is an excellent daily summary
> (exception is Saturday and Sunday but on Monday you get a double issue) of
> the Hungarian press. It is divided into three sections: domestic news,
> economy, and foreign affairs. The summaries are succinct and it takes no
> more than 10 minutes to go through the whole thing. To subscribe:
> .
>
>         Best, ESB
I do second this. ( Maybe not the 10 minutes, inspite of "dynamic
reading" ;-) )
Miklos
+ - Re: The standing of the Hungarian economy (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Bela Liptak wrote:
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> In the Globan Competitiveness Report of the World Economic Forum, 53 nations
> are evaluated. While the report places its emphasis on "competitiveness", it
> also evaluates social justice and human rights. The standings are:
>
> 1- Singapore
> 2- Hong Kong
> 4- Canada
> 5 -New Zealand
> 6- Switzerland
> 7- Britain
> 12-Netherlans
> 16-Ireland
>
> 32- Czech
> 44- South Africa
> 45- India
> 46- Hungary
> 47- Venezuea
> 50- Poland
> 52- Ukraine
> 53- Russia
>
> In connection with Hungary, they note that government spending still
> represents about 50% of the national output. Also, the artificial devaluation

Artificial devaluation?!?! At this inflation rate? This time he must be
joking!
Where is the US hiding?
MKH

> of the Forint did not result in a positive import-export balance, but did
> drastically increase Hungary's debth. The report also seems to suggest that
> human rights and competitiveness can not be correlated, while law
> enforcement, corrupion, press freedom and health care (including smoking,
> drinking, excercise) are major factors.
>
> Best regards: Bela Liptak
+ - Re: Dreher brewery (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

E.S. Balogh wrote:
>
> At 01:36 PM 5/21/97 -0400, Janos Zsargo wrote:
> >A.Vadasz wrote:
> >
> >>The closure pertains to the restaurant. The Dreher brewery (actually it has
> >>another owner: Kobanyai Serfozo)
> >
> >BTW, the 'Dreher serfozo' and 'Kobanyai serfozo' isn't the same company?
>
>         As far as I know, yes.

Nop!
MKH
 By the way, the "sorozo" should perhaps
> translated as "pub." ESB
+ - Re: The standing of the Hungarian economy (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Bela Liptak wrote:

> In the Globan Competitiveness Report of the World Economic Forum, 53 nations
> are evaluated.

> In connection with Hungary, they note that government spending still
> represents about 50% of the national output. Also, the artificial devaluation
> of the Forint did not result in a positive import-export balance, but did
> drastically increase Hungary's debth.

If this is an accurate description of what the report says, I would suggest
not paying much attention to it in the future.

To start with, what is 'artificial' devaluation ?

As for devaluation not resulting in a POSITIVE trade balance, I do not think
anyone expected that, nor is it necessarily a virtue.  What matters most is
the current account balance (including financial flows as well), not the trade
balance.  Besides, the whole approach is totally wrong: one needs to consider
what would have happened WITHOUT devaluation, and use that as the basis for
comparison.  The long experience is that countries that allow or push the
overvaluation of their currencies end up with increasing trade and current
account inbalances.  This stands to reason: an overvalued currency makes
imports relatively cheaper and exports more expensive, eventually screwing
the domestic economy into the ground.

As for the debt bit, to the best of my knowledge the Hungarian government's
foreign debt has been FALLING, not increasing.  Domestic government debt has
been increasing, but this is not caused by devaluation.  Overall, the govern-
ment's share in Hungary's debt has been declining, as I recall, with the
private sector's share increasing.  This is, hopefully, the result of produc-
tive investment that will yield dividends in the future.

> The report also seems to suggest that
> human rights and competitiveness can not be correlated,

Not that anyone has actually suggested that they are.

> while law
> enforcement, corrupion, press freedom and health care (including smoking,
> drinking, excercise) are major factors.

In what ?

George Antony
+ - Re: visit to Hungary (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

>The case you describe is sadly true, but please don4t let this scare
>you. This is (ofcourse) an extreme case, but you should know that this
>is not the ususal case. If you follow some simple rules (like, do not
>get too drunk and talk to everyone about how rich you are and how cheap
>things are in Hungary) there should be no problem.
>
Don't worry, Stefan, it couldn't happen to me.  I wouldn't go near to
the restaurants frequented by the tourists.  But then, I have an
advantage:  I was born and raised in Budapest.  I put the notice up
warning non-Hungarians to take care.

Agnes
+ - Re: visit to Hungary (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

>> Agnes
>It was discussed in the Hungarian press ( on the Net, as well )
>and on the HVG-Forum
>Miklos

Barna just transmitted the article to me.  Apparently, I read the wrong
papers (The Toronto Star) and listen to the wrong radio station (CFRB)
that I didn't know about it.  I don't read the Forum regularly because it
is just too much, and I don't read the Hungarian press.  However, it
seems that sooner or later this kind of news reaches everybody...

Agnes
+ - Dreher brewery (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I have read in the 'Magyar Hirlap' that the brewery which charged a 1000,000 FT
 bill had
been closed for 90 days. An investigation will begin and if anything else is
 found the
restaurant is history. Also, the authorities are planning to examine the simila
r
 breweries
all around Budapest.

J.Zs
+ - Re: Dreher brewery (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

A.Vadasz wrote:

>>I have read in the 'Magyar Hirlap' that the brewery which charged a 1000,000
 FT
>> bill had
>>been closed for 90 days. An investigation will begin and if anything else is
>> found the
>>restaurant is history.
>
>The closure pertains to the restaurant. The Dreher brewery (actually it has
>another owner: Kobanyai Serfozo) merely franchised the restaurant, which is
>a common European practice. It announced cancellation of the franchise.
>Dreher is by no means guilty, indeed did the right thing.    Andy.

Sorry, I meant the 'Dreher sorozo' and not 'Dreher serfozde'. Sorry for
the confusion.

J.Zs
+ - Re: Dreher brewery (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

A.Vadasz wrote:

>The closure pertains to the restaurant. The Dreher brewery (actually it has
>another owner: Kobanyai Serfozo)

BTW, the 'Dreher serfozo' and 'Kobanyai serfozo' isn't the same company?

J.Zs
+ - Re: Smoking and related topics - (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 08:27 AM 5/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I am happy to answer your question, Joe. I am an ex-smoker.  I was a [snip]
 ....
Nice post Amos! ... This is the most I've seen you write yet.  Should do it
more often....
Regards, Aniko
+ - Hungarian Art Gallery on the Web (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I suppose that some of you will be interested in a Web site showing
painting in Hungary from the beginnings up to the mid 20th century.

 As a first step, you can find about 1300 large-sized reproductions,
but this number will increase continuously. The collection is
presented in two identical versions, in English and Hungarian.

The gallery was created by Emil Kren and Daniel Marx.

URL for the gallery is as follows:

http://www.kfki.hu/keptar/

The gallery was created by Emil Kren and Daniel Marx.
Any comments are welcome by the creator,

     Emil Kren
     > or >

Best regards

 Magdolna Zimanyi
 KFKI Research Institute for Particle  Phone: +36-1-395-9242
 and Nuclear Physics                   FAX:   +36-1-395-9151
 Computer Networking Center            E-mail: 
 H-1525 Budapest 114, POB. 49, Hungary URL: http://www.kfki.hu/~mzimanyi
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+ - The standing of the Hungarian economy (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Dear Colleagues,

In the Globan Competitiveness Report of the World Economic Forum, 53 nations
are evaluated. While the report places its emphasis on "competitiveness", it
also evaluates social justice and human rights. The standings are:

1- Singapore
2- Hong Kong
4- Canada
5 -New Zealand
6- Switzerland
7- Britain
12-Netherlans
16-Ireland

32- Czech
44- South Africa
45- India
46- Hungary
47- Venezuea
50- Poland
52- Ukraine
53- Russia

In connection with Hungary, they note that government spending still
represents about 50% of the national output. Also, the artificial devaluation
of the Forint did not result in a positive import-export balance, but did
drastically increase Hungary's debth. The report also seems to suggest that
human rights and competitiveness can not be correlated, while law
enforcement, corrupion, press freedom and health care (including smoking,
drinking, excercise) are major factors.

Best regards: Bela Liptak
+ - President Goncz on the csangos (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Dear Colleagues,

The Hungarian Lobby has asked the President of Hungary to speak up for the
rights of the csangos to native language mass and the rights of the Hungarian
Catholics of Slovakia to have their own bishop, when he meets with the Pope
on the 3rd of June, 1997. The attached (Hungarian language) letter was
received in response to that request.

If you sign up to the HL-Action list, you will receive one formletter per
workday from Peter Orban, which, if you agree with its content, you can sign
and E-mail to the addressee in about 60 seconds. (After 2 years of practice,
my time is down to 28 seconds/letter.) This is our "voice amplifier". Numbers
do make a difference! It is up to you how effective we become. Please join.

Best regards: Bela Liptak

PS: "A tett halala az okoskodas"
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Kedves Baratom!

Koszonettel vettem leveledet, amelyben felhivod a figyelmemet, hogy junius
3-an Szent Adalbert halalanak 1000. evfordulojan, a Szentatyaval talalkozvan,
emlekeztessem a csangok magyar nyelvu vallasgyakorlasanak szuksegere. A
kerdest tokeletesen ismerem, Oszentsegenek szemely szerint tobbizben
felemlitettem. Allando temajat kepezte az Apostoli Nunciussal folytatott
beszelgeteseinknek, aki pontosan tisztaban volt a kerdes jelentosegevel.
Nagyon szeretnem, ha nem hinned, hogy Magyarorszag es a magyar politikusok -
koztuk magam - nem ragadnak meg minden alkalmat, hogy a kerdesre felhivjak a
Vatikan figyelmet. De mint tudod, evtizedek ota minden ilyen iranyu keres
suket fulekre talalt. Nem akarlak altatni, hogy a 3-iki netan tobb sikerrel
jar, mint a korabbiak.

Lehetseges, hogy a megujult roman-magyar egyuttmukodes kereten belul
lehetoseg nyilik a csangok magyar nyelvu vallasgyakorlatanak megoldasara, de
oszinten szolva efelol is ketsegeim vannak, tudvan tudva, hogy Moldovat es
Erdelyt ebben a vonatkozasban eddig meg egyetlen roman kormany sem vette egy
kalap ala, tehat a kerdes megoldasa valosagos elvi attorest eredmenyezne.
Leveledet mindazonaltal koszonom: arra vall, hogy problema-erzekenyseged es
nemzeti felelossegerzeted kitunoen mukodik, mint ahogy orulok azok nevsoranak
is, akiknek leveled elkuldted. A valaszok szamabol kovetkeztethetsz a
fogadtatas melegsegere.

Ami a szlovakiai magyar puspok kinevezeset illeti, legjobb tudomasom szerint
magyar nemzetisegu segedpuspok kinevezesere mar sor kerult.

Buidapest, 1997 majus 12

Meleg baratsaggal: Goncz Arpad
+ - HL-Action: Request to Goncz (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

****************** CALL FOR ACTION ****************

Priority:
 normal

Background:
  In spite of several requests of the Csangos (the Hungarian minority
in Moldova, Romania) the Roman Catholic Curch is still not offering
them the Holy Masses in their native tongue. Even the Hungarian
minority in Slovakia do not receive sufficient support from the
Catholic church: They still do not have an own Catholic bishop despite
their adjuration to the Pope.
  On June 3 the President of Hungary, Arpad Goncz, will meet the Pope.
This is an excellent opportunity to ask President Goncz to intervene
at the Pope on behalf of the Csangos and the Hungarian minority of
Slovakia.

What to do:
  Please write a letter to President Goncz and ask him to speak up in
favour of the Csangos and the Hungarian minority in Slovakia during
his meeting with the Pope. Feel free to use the attached form letters.
Letter #1 is written in Hungarian, letter  #2 in English. Since his
e-mail address is unknown, please send snail mail.

Address of President Goncz:
Dr. Arpad Goncz
A Magyar Koztarsasag Elnoke
1357 Budapest, Orszaghaz, HUNGARY

**************************************************************

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letter written in Hungarian:
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<datum>

Dr. Goncz Arpad
A Magyar Koztarsasag Elnoke
1357 Budapest, Orszaghaz, HUNGARY

Tisztelt Elnok Ur!

tudomasom szerint On junius 3-an, Szent Adalbert halalanak
1000-ik evfordulojan, talalkozik a Papaval. Ez a talalkozas egy
kivalo alkalmat kinal az Elnok Urnak a Csango es a szlovakiai magyar
honfitarsaink szorult helyzetere felhivni a Szentatya figyelmet.

Csango testvereinknek  mind a mai napig nincs lehetosege
magyar Istentiszteletet latogatni. A helyi roman puspok, Petru
Gherghel, a csangok es az erdelyi magyar puspokok hatarozott keresere
sem engedelyezi a magyar nyelvu Szentmiseket. Tekintettel a kedvezo
politikai korulmenyekre a Szentatyanak csak egy szavaba kerulne, hogy
ezt a tarthatatlan allapotot megszuntesse.

A szlovakiai magyar honfitarsaink a paphiany az egyik legnagyobb
gondja. Tiz ev mulva varhatoan a mai plebaniaknak a fele rendelkezik
sajat lelkipasztorral.  A "Jopasztor Alapitvany" szerint a helyzet
javulasat egy magyar pupok kinevezese hozhatna. Az alapitvany e
keresere a Papa eddig nem tett eleget, valoszinuleg a szlovakiai
puspoki kar ellenallasa miatt.

Kerem tisztelt Elnok Urat, jarjon kozbe a Szentatyanal csango es a
szlovakiai magyar testvereink erdekeben.

Oszinte tisztelettel

<nev, cim>



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letter written in English:
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<date>

The Honorable Dr. Arpad Goncz
President of Hungary
1357 Budapest, Orszaghaz,
HUNGARY

Dear Mr. President:

please speak up in favour of the Csangos and the Hungarian minority in
Slovakia on the occasion of your meeting with the Pope on the 3rd of
June.

Several Csango congregations have been asking for years, that the Holy
Mass shall be offered in their archaic Hungarian language. Up to now
their bishop Petru Gergel has refused this request. This denial is
both contrary to the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church and is
also an affront to their most basic human rights. Furthermore it
promotes the cultural assimilation of a unique nation. Considering the
advantageous political situation one word of the Holy Father would be
enough to solve this unsustainable problem.

One of the major problems of the Hungarian minority in Slovakia is the
diminishing number of pastors. At this rate within 10 years their
number will halve. To help the situation, the "Jopasztor alapitvany"
has appealed to Pope John Paul II to name a Hungarian bishop. This is
opposed by Slovak Catholic interests and to date there had been no
action.

Mr. President, please intervene on behalf of the Csangos and the
Hungarian minority of Slovakia at the Pope on June 3.

Respectfully,

<name, title, address>
+ - Smoking and related topics - (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I am happy to answer your question, Joe. I am an ex-smoker.  I was a
heavy smoker for 38 years, two packs a day. I have quit cold-turkey ca.
10 years ago. And I was  very surprised how  easy it was to quit.  This
was so because I *wanted* to quit. But I have quit for economic reasons
not because I was concerned with my health. You see,  Joe,  I don't be-
lieve the *propaganda* about smoking.  Smoking doesn't  cause anything,
genetic propensity  and smoking may.  And as soon as  medical sience is
ready to admit that, the tenor of the anti-smoking campaign can change.
If you think I am kidding about this,  just ask Bob.  He thinks I am OK
in general, but crazy in relation to this topic.
   No, Joe, I don't want  yout to be silenced.  I just would appreciate
some reality-based approach to questions instead of idealism.
   Banning toboco is the worse thing you could do,  and I agree on this
with Eva Balogh and others. And the reasons are  the same as applied to
Prohibition.  It cannot be enforced  and humans have a  tendency to try
what's forbidden. But I disagree with Eva that the same method of anti-
smoking campaing should be used in Hungary as in the States. It is true
that many people quit  smoking in the States,  but it is also true that
according to the latest statistics there is a serious increase of smok-
ing among teenagers. This seems like a backlash to me. Therefore, it is
time to rethink the approach.  Using the same anti-smoking arguments in
Hungary would backfire even faster.  A totalitarian  method is the last
thing to be used in Hungary.
   It is amazing to me  that nobody seems to  factor in the generation-
gap.The parents of today's teenagers grew up with the campaing and some
of them bought the bait.  Their kids, on the other hand, the teenagers,
are at the rebelling stage. There goes the effectiveness of the present
approach out the window. And all the planners do is wring their hands.
   Short: banning toboco is a lousy idea  and using the same anti-smok-
ing approach in Hungary would be a big mistake.
                                                 Amos
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Joe Szalai wrote:
>
> Amos,
>
> Don't worry about me.  Life's too short for that sort of thing.  But let me
> ask you a question that may shed some light on your objectivity.  Are you a
> cigarette smoker?  And what do I do that causes you indignation?  Would you
> be happier if I was silenced?
>
> Joe Szalai
+ - [Fwd: RFE/RL Newsline CZ/SK Selection No. 35] (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

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I am forwarding part of this report for the benefit of those who
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                                                 Amos
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
Peter Durcansky wrote:
>
>            A selection from the RFE/RL Newsline
>           --------------------------------------
>
> * CZECH GOVERNMENT TO BE RESHUFFLED
>
> CZECH GOVERNMENT TO BE RESHUFFLED. The chairmen
> of the three coalition parties agreed at a meeting late last
> night that the government will soon be reshuffled, Czech
> Radio reported. No details have been given on how many
> ministers may be affected. The meeting was hastily
> arranged in an apparent bid to prevent the opposition
> Social Democrats from asking the parliament today to
> adopt a resolution on recalling some ministers. Approval
> ratings for the government and for Prime Minister Vaclav
> Klaus's Civic Democratic Party have been dropping
> steadily. An opinion poll by the Factum agency, published in
> today's Mlada Fronta Dnes, indicates that nearly 40% of
> Czechs think Premier Vaclav Klaus should resign, while 38%
> believe he should remain in office but that some ministers
> should leave.
>
> U.S. OFFICIAL SAYS SLOVAKIA, BULGARIA NOT READY
> FOR NATO. Congressman Christopher Smith, co-chairman
> of the U.S. Commission on Security and Cooperation in
> Europe, says Slovakia's treatment of ethnic minorities and
> the growing violence and intolerance against the political
> opposition and media there "work against" the country's
> being included in the first round of NATO expansion,
> RFE/RL's Washington correspondent reported yesterday.
> Smith said Bulgaria has made impressive strides but still
> has to address issues such as civilian control of the
> military and religious freedom. The commission yesterday
> held another Congressional hearing on the human rights
> aspects of NATO enlargement. The Slovak, Bulgarian, and
> Hungarian ambassadors were invited to present their
> country's views on why they should be included in NATO.
>
> =====================================================================
>
> The above is a selection from the RFE/RL NEWSLINE, and the articles
> within are copyright of RFE/RL. Articles are selected if they contain
> information pertaining to the Czech or the Slovak republic.
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           A selection from the RFE/RL Newsline
          --------------------------------------

* CZECH GOVERNMENT TO BE RESHUFFLED

CZECH GOVERNMENT TO BE RESHUFFLED. The chairmen
of the three coalition parties agreed at a meeting late last
night that the government will soon be reshuffled, Czech
Radio reported. No details have been given on how many
ministers may be affected. The meeting was hastily
arranged in an apparent bid to prevent the opposition
Social Democrats from asking the parliament today to
adopt a resolution on recalling some ministers. Approval
ratings for the government and for Prime Minister Vaclav
Klaus's Civic Democratic Party have been dropping
steadily. An opinion poll by the Factum agency, published in
today's Mlada Fronta Dnes, indicates that nearly 40% of
Czechs think Premier Vaclav Klaus should resign, while 38%
believe he should remain in office but that some ministers
should leave.

U.S. OFFICIAL SAYS SLOVAKIA, BULGARIA NOT READY
FOR NATO. Congressman Christopher Smith, co-chairman
of the U.S. Commission on Security and Cooperation in
Europe, says Slovakia's treatment of ethnic minorities and
the growing violence and intolerance against the political
opposition and media there "work against" the country's
being included in the first round of NATO expansion,
RFE/RL's Washington correspondent reported yesterday.
Smith said Bulgaria has made impressive strides but still
has to address issues such as civilian control of the
military and religious freedom. The commission yesterday
held another Congressional hearing on the human rights
aspects of NATO enlargement. The Slovak, Bulgarian, and
Hungarian ambassadors were invited to present their
country's views on why they should be included in NATO.

UPDATE ON SLOVAK REFERENDUM. The Slovak
government yesterday asked President Michal Kovac to
postpone the referendum on NATO membership and direct
presidential elections until the Constitutional Court
decides whether the constitution can be changed by a
referendum, RFE/RL's Bratislava office reported.
Meanwhile, opposition politicians have accused the
government of hindering the distribution of referendum
ballots in some districts. Interior Minister Ivan Krajci
repeated he is opposed to distributing ballots with four
questions until the Constitutional Court decides whether
the question on direct presidential elections is legally
binding. If the court were to decide that the constitution
cannot be changed by a referendum, Krajci would distribute
ballots with only three questions. The Central Referendum
Commission ordered ballots with four questions to be
distributed, but Krajci said yesterday that "the
government is my boss."

> =====================================================================

The above is a selection from the RFE/RL NEWSLINE, and the articles
within are copyright of RFE/RL. Articles are selected if they contain
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+ - Re: Suggestions Re: Cancer and ... (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 08:08 PM 5/20/97 -0400, Bob Hosh wrote:

>On May 20,  5:06pm, Joe Szalai wrote:
<snip>
>> Do you smoke cigarettes?
>>
>> Joe Szalai

>Except for the few times I tried cigarettes as a pre-teen, I've never
>smoked, Joe.
>
>But your original statment made it sound like being alcoholic was
>preferable to being assicted to nicotine!   :)

I should have been limpid in my comments.  My point was that it is easier
to ban cigarettes than alcohol.  And I said that because Eva Balogh was
comparing my suggestion to ban tobacco to the American experience with
prohibition.

And now I'm puzzled why you and Amos J. Danube think that my comments about
banning tobacco are out in left field.

Joe Szalai
+ - Re: Trouble in Prague (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Eva S. Balogh writes:

> I humbly admit that I do not make it through the business section.
> So, it is very possible that I missed it.

Missed the story about the weakening of the Czech crown, that is.
I think it is a mistake to skip the business section.  Often that is
where you find the real news about the state of the world.  Politics
is fine, it is always interesting, it is a constant source of
entertainment, and as a certified political junkie I cannot go one day
without my fix -- but ultimately an awful lot of what goes into the
general news section of the Times is fluff.  Much of it is just the comings
and goings of politicians.  But that's only what is happening on the
surface.  One must also try to keep up with the real news about the stuff
happening deeper down.  There are several places to look for that:
my favorites are reading the business section, and reading poetry.

-----
Gabor Fencsik
+ - Re: Dreher brewery (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 10:40 PM 5/20/97 -0400, Janos Zsargo wrote:
>I have read in the 'Magyar Hirlap' that the brewery which charged a 1000,000 F
T
> bill had
>been closed for 90 days. An investigation will begin and if anything else is
> found the
>restaurant is history. Also, the authorities are planning to examine the
similar
> breweries
>all around Budapest.

        It is so. The restaurant is in trouble. The bank withdrew their card
privileges, Dreher Brewery stripped of their name and endorsement, the
owners/managers are facing prosecution. So, it is taken rather seriously and
this time something is being done instead of throwing up their arms in the
air and saying: "sorry, this isn't illegal, look at the books."
        Meanwhile Briditte Bardot's animal defense league (or whatever its
name) is suggesting to boycott Hungary this summer because there is still no
law governing animal rights. ESB
+ - Re: Trouble in Prague (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 06:13 PM 5/20/97 -0700, Gabor Fencsik wrote:
>Eva S. Balogh writes about rumors of a run on the Czech crown:
>
>>       The New York Times--although I like the paper very much--has not
>> reported a thing on the Czech republic lately, so we, in this country,
>> are not really aware of what's going on at the moment in Prague.
>
>At the risk of sounding devotional again, I beg to disagree.  I could
>swear I read about it in the Times within the last 3 days.  (Eva, do
>you make it through the business section?)

        I humbly admit that I do not make it through the business section.
So, it is very possible that I missed it. ESB
+ - Re: visit to Hungary (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 12:58 AM 5/21/97 GMT, Agnes wrote:

>I don't read the Forum regularly because it
>is just too much,

        More than one way.

>and I don't read the Hungarian press.

        I really suggest you to read BLA. It is an excellent daily summary
(exception is Saturday and Sunday but on Monday you get a double issue) of
the Hungarian press. It is divided into three sections: domestic news,
economy, and foreign affairs. The summaries are succinct and it takes no
more than 10 minutes to go through the whole thing. To subscribe:
.

        Best, ESB
+ - Re: Suggestions Re: Cancer and ... (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 10:24 PM 5/20/97 -0400, Joe Szalai wrote:

>And now I'm puzzled why you and Amos J. Danube think that my comments about
>banning tobacco are out in left field.


        I guess, because it is so impractical. ESB
+ - Re: Dreher brewery (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 01:36 PM 5/21/97 -0400, Janos Zsargo wrote:
>A.Vadasz wrote:
>
>>The closure pertains to the restaurant. The Dreher brewery (actually it has
>>another owner: Kobanyai Serfozo)
>
>BTW, the 'Dreher serfozo' and 'Kobanyai serfozo' isn't the same company?

        As far as I know, yes. By the way, the "sorozo" should perhaps
translated as "pub." ESB

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