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1 E-mail virus alert! (mind)  6 sor     (cikkei)
2 Jabberwocky (mind)  87 sor     (cikkei)
3 Re: numerus clausus in the U.S. (mind)  34 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: No HUNGARY content, but it's funny (mind)  21 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: The First Hungarians in America (mind)  44 sor     (cikkei)
6 Re: E-mail virus alert! (mind)  5 sor     (cikkei)
7 Re: E-mail virus alert! (mind)  13 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: Jabberwocky (mind)  6 sor     (cikkei)
9 Re: The First Hungarians in America (mind)  20 sor     (cikkei)
10 Re: No HUNGARY content, but it's funny (mind)  28 sor     (cikkei)
11 Re: E-mail virus alert! (mind)  19 sor     (cikkei)
12 Re: E-mail virus alert! (mind)  35 sor     (cikkei)
13 UN News Conference (mind)  516 sor     (cikkei)
14 Re: E-mail virus alert! (mind)  32 sor     (cikkei)
15 Re: E-mail virus alert! (mind)  47 sor     (cikkei)
16 Re: E-mail virus alert! (mind)  99 sor     (cikkei)
17 Warning hoaxes / Re: E-mail virus alert! (mind)  162 sor     (cikkei)
18 Re: E-mail virus alert! (mind)  29 sor     (cikkei)
19 Re: E-mail virus alert! (mind)  33 sor     (cikkei)
20 Re: E-mail virus alert! (mind)  35 sor     (cikkei)
21 Re: No HUNGARY content, but it's funny (mind)  28 sor     (cikkei)
22 Re: from the Szabadsag (mind)  26 sor     (cikkei)
23 PENPAL GREETINGS! (mind)  22 sor     (cikkei)

+ - E-mail virus alert! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

If anyone receives mail entitled; PENPAL GREETINGS! please
delete  it.
It is a dangerous virus propagating across the Internet
through an  e-mail message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!".
DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY MESSAGE  ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETINGS"!!
D.
+ - Jabberwocky (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

With all deference to our non-magyar speakers, I could not
resist... I am still grinnig and it's the third time I read it:
> =========================================

Jabberwocky

Lewis Carroll (Charles Lutwidge Dodgson)

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

"Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!"

He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought--
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.

And, as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!

One two! One two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.

"And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!"
He chortled in his joy.

'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.
> ==================================================

     Hungarian 
    -------------------  

     Szajkóhukky (Weó´res Sándor)


     Volt egy brilló´s, a csuszbugó
     Gimbelt és gált távlengibe,
     Minden mimicre purrogó,
     Mómája ingibe.

     "Vigyázz, jön Szajkóhukk, fiam!
     Foga maró, karma furó!
     Ügyelj, Csapcsip madár zuhan
     S a brunkós Bromboló!"

     Markában nyüsztó´ penge reng,
     Elrágdos minden manxomot.
     A tamtam-fánál megpihent,
     Mély gondjába rogyott.

     Állt fergetó´ eszmék körén,
     S jött Szajkóhukk, nézése láng,
     Nagy káka-törzsek erdején
     Bugyborékolva ráng.

     Bal, jobb! Bal, jobb! És át meg át
     Nyüsztó´ penge nyekdes, nyikol,
     Fejét veszi, máris viszi,
     S eldiadalogol.

     "Szajkóhukk már nem él, fiam?
     Karomba, lándzsás pöszöröm!
     Dicsdús nap, ó! Jahé! Jahó!"
     Csuklorkant az öröm.

     Volt egy brilló´s, a csuszbugó
     Gimbelt és gált távlengibe,
     Minden mimicre purrogó,
     Mómája ingibe.

(brazenly stolen from some weird site, for the pure entertainment of
the HUNGARY list -- it was either that or mow the lawn)
+ - Re: numerus clausus in the U.S. (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Dominus ....

At 05:46 PM 12/04/97 GMT, you wrote:
>Aniko Dunford > wrote:
>>You've no idea how privileged you really are.  During the entire time spent
>>on this group, I have never been privy to witnessing the type of
>>physically, aerobically demanding activities you speak of above...
>
>0:-))
>Maybe, if you take the bother and re-read this thread, and
>you are familiar with the language/s it's written, then,
>maybe then, you will get my point.
>I being priviledged you are right (hence the Dominus ;-)o),
>I am and proud of it, but never wanted to show off.
>Basically I am a modest man.
>God bless:
>Dominus  0:-o))

Hmmmm .... I am familiar with the languages, and did read the thread.  I
also managed to get your point Dominus - as hard as it may be for you to
accept.  But..... ahhrrr ... I guess sticking in a few smilies might have
helped in you're getting a drift of the intent of my words:-).

Glad at least to have seen your declaration of modesty.  Otherwise, a
"great sense of humour" might well have been added to your list, at which
point we could have begun a thread on that:-).

Take care
Aniko



>
>
+ - Re: No HUNGARY content, but it's funny (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 10:24 PM 4/11/97 GMT, Agnes wrote:
>> You mean that my
>>> mother's threat "you will find out what I went through when you have
>>> a son of your own" became true.
>>
>>Exactly this is whar I mean. Isn4t it interesting that exactly this
>>was my mother4s thret, too? There must be a forgotten, archaic wisdom
>>behind or - better and - end the working of higher justice behind. Juj,
>>juj s ott leszen siras es fogak csikorgatasa...( still, I wouldn4t like
>>to miss it...:-) )
>>Miklos
>
>And the same here - I have 2 daughters....

My mother had a slight variation:

Majd visszakapod te a tiedtol! You'll get it back from yours.

And I did.

Gabor D. Farkas
+ - Re: The First Hungarians in America (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Andrew J. Rozsa wrote:
>
> At 03:28 PM 4/11/97 +0200, you wrote:
>
> >Yes, I4d love to have a ( German! ) beer with Jekiko
> >Miklos
> >
> >P.S. I apologize for "German", but North American beer?
> >No thank you. ( Maybe, exept for some new SMALL breweries.)
> >If I would comment Bud or Michelob ( both light ) I would
> >be sued...not for being wrong, but for telling the truth...
> >( And, to be honest, having see and tasted a lot in the World,
> >German beer is their best hightec product ( together with BMW,
> >but BMW is Bavarian, not German ).
>
> Ja, my friend Gyuri from Munchen INSISTS that I understand that
> that's Bavaria, and NOT Germany proper. Oh, well...
>
> Amazing how one' original taste development stays so long
> with him/her.....
>
> I have been here since adolescence, yet I still can't stand
> American beer. Even the microbreweries don't make it for
> me. Although I am not much of a beer drinker (but DO love
> Egri Bikaver, Badacsonyi Szurkebarat, and, of course,
> Tokaji Aszu - 5 puttonos with dessert) I will, occasionally
> partake in some Pilsner Urquell from Czehia. About
> the only one I tolerate. Consumer Reports rated it almost the
> worst. Just shows you...de gustibus....
>
> I also wonder how come Hungarians don't make a decent beer?
>
> Bandi
Since most Hungarian breweries are in the hands of Austrians
and, also, Hungarian barkeeper - like Anglo-Saxons - never learned
HOW to fill a glass of draft ( English draught ) beer. I tried
to teach one in Hajduszoboszlo. You should have seen his incredu-
lous eyes! Then he said : But it takes much longer! ( 7 minutes,
but of course you can overlap with other glasses, thus the average
time needed can be the same at a frequented bar and with a good
barkeeper. ). That was it. He didn4t even CONSIDER quality...
And, then we discuss about intricacies of the ( I insist, just the US
and the Canadian ) Health Systems in order to explain, why does
Hungary not thrive. :-)
+ - Re: E-mail virus alert! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Dominus -

Thank you!!!

Marina
+ - Re: E-mail virus alert! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 12:44 AM 4/13/97 GMT, Dominus wrote:

>If anyone receives mail entitled; PENPAL GREETINGS! please
>delete  it.
>It is a dangerous virus propagating across the Internet
>through an  e-mail message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!".
>DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY MESSAGE  ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETINGS"!!
>D.

This is nonsense.  You can't get a virus through email, no matter what it's
called.

Joe Szalai
+ - Re: Jabberwocky (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Bandi:

What a delight!!!!!  I am so glad you chose not to mowe the lawn . . .

Thanks,
Marina
+ - Re: The First Hungarians in America (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Andrew J. Rozsa wrote:

 (but DO love
> Egri Bikaver, Badacsonyi Szurkebarat, and, of course,
> Tokaji Aszu - 5 puttonos with dessert)

After the long, long thread with the many papers given
about evil Hungarian farmers, a perfect Hungarian govern-
ment and fake Hungarian wine?
That convinced me not to touch any of that, especially
if it comes from Baranya :-(((

I will, occasionally
> partake in some Pilsner Urquell from Czehia.

GERMAN I said ( OK, wrote ). And ask for Pils. Draft
( sorry, draught ), not bottle. .4 ltr. And just inhale it.
Egeszsegedre! Sanatate! A votre santee! Na zdrovye! Skol!
Zum Wohl! Cheers! & cetera
M.
+ - Re: No HUNGARY content, but it's funny (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

S or G Farkas wrote:
>
> At 10:24 PM 4/11/97 GMT, Agnes wrote:
> >> You mean that my
> >>> mother's threat "you will find out what I went through when you have
> >>> a son of your own" became true.
> >>
> >>Exactly this is whar I mean. Isn4t it interesting that exactly this
> >>was my mother4s thret, too? There must be a forgotten, archaic wisdom
> >>behind or - better and - end the working of higher justice behind. Juj,
> >>juj s ott leszen siras es fogak csikorgatasa...( still, I wouldn4t like
> >>to miss it...:-) )
> >>Miklos
> >
> >And the same here - I have 2 daughters....
>
> My mother had a slight variation:
>
> Majd visszakapod te a tiedtol! You'll get it back from yours.
>
> And I did.
>
> Gabor D. Farkas
Demonstrating again HOW right your mother was...what a pity
she didn4t succeed educating you !-) And what a pitty, your
children won4t believe you this either...:-)
It4s similar with us...:-()))
M.
+ - Re: E-mail virus alert! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Joe Szalai wrote:
>
> At 12:44 AM 4/13/97 GMT, Dominus wrote:
>
> >If anyone receives mail entitled; PENPAL GREETINGS! please
> >delete  it.
> >It is a dangerous virus propagating across the Internet
> >through an  e-mail message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!".
> >DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY MESSAGE  ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETINGS"!!
> >D.
>
> This is nonsense.  You can't get a virus through email, no matter what it's
> called.
>
> Joe Szalai
I am afraid, Joe, this could be one of the - indeed very few -
instances of your, again, possibly, being wrong...
Hat vakarodz!
M.
+ - Re: E-mail virus alert! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 01:38 PM 4/13/97 +0200, Miklos Hoffmann wrote:

>Joe Szalai wrote:
<snip>
>> This is nonsense.  You can't get a virus through email, no matter what it's
>> called.
>>
>> Joe Szalai

>I am afraid, Joe, this could be one of the - indeed very few -
>instances of your, again, possibly, being wrong...
>Hat vakarodz!
>M.

You're right, Miklos, I might be wrong.  However, I don't think I am.
Let's just go by personal experience.

I've never received a virus through email.  I don't know of anyone who's
received a virus through email.  Everyone I've talked to about computers,
who know more about them then I do - and that's just about everyone - has
told me that you can't get viruses through email.

Have you ever gotten a virus through email?  Has anyone reading this list
ever gotten a virus through email?  And can you prove that it came through
email?

Joe Szalai

My general theory since 1971 has been that the word is literally a virus,
and that it has not been recognised as such because it has achieved a state
of relatively stable symbiosis with its human host; that is to say, the
word virus (the Other Half) has established itself so firmly as an accepted
part of the human organism that it can now sneer at gangster viruses like
smallpox and turn them in to the Pasteur Institute.
           -- William Burroughs
+ - UN News Conference (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Dear Colleagues,

I would like to invite to our April 20 News Conference on the Danube (213 E
82nd St., NYC) all the reporters assigned to the UN, plus the members of the
Environmental and Legal Committees of the UN and the American, Hungarian and
Slovak delegations to the United Nations and all other UN employees or
delegates who have an interest in either the environment or in international
law.

If you have any names and addresses (including snail mail or fax) please send
them to me.

At the news conference we will distribute the 4 form-letters which are being
mailed to the American and ICJ leaders from around the world. I am attaching
these letters, asking you to mail and to further distribute them.

Best regards: Bela Liptak

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
The Honorable Bill Clinton
President of the United States
The White House
Washington, D.C. 20001

RE:  First Environmental Lawsuit (Danube) in The Hague

Dear Mr. President,

On the 21st of August, 1993, Vice President Gore wrote to professor Bela
Liptak about his concern for the future of the Danube ecosystem at Szigetkoz.
Today, we are approaching an important precedent: This year the International
Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague will rule on the first international
environmental lawsuit.
       By the end of the year, the ICJ will decide on this case involving the
Danube and the destruction of its ancient wetland region: the Szigetkoz. This
name, losely translated, means: "The region of a thousand islands," yet today
there are no islands left there, because the water is gone. Still, the
implications of this case go beyond the future of just one river or just the
400 endangered species of the only inland sea delta ecosystem of Europe.
      This lawsuit will set a precedent for the whole planet and will answer
a much more basic question:  Do national governments have the right to
destroy the natural treasures of this planet, or does mankind as a whole have
the right to protect them?
      Dear Mr. President, in 1995, nine international NGOs have submitted a
memorial to the ICJ, which the Court accepted. A Compromise Plan was also
submitted to the Court, which would guarantee the restoration of the ancient
Szigetkoz wetlands, together with fulfilling the water-supply, shipping and
energy needs of the region. For details, information is available at the
web-site: http://www.goodpoint.com/duna.htm or from prof. Liptak.
      Dear Mr. Clinton. There is little question, that in October, the ICJ
will order Slovakia to return the Danube into its natural riverbed and will
also order the restoration of the Szigetkoz wetlands. But the ICJ has no
powers to enforce its rulings. Therefore it will be up to the international
community to force the parties to the lawsuit to obey the ruling. This being
the first international environmental lawsuit before the ICJ, the outcome
will establish an important precedent. All governments must understand that
there is a price to be paid for being admitted into the European Community or
into NATO. That price must include the respect for international law. A
statement by you, would guarantee that the parties understand this. Please
make that statement.

Respectfully yours,











































































NAME                                                        ADDRESS
                                                                  The
Honorable Al Gore
Vice President of the United States
The White House
Washington, D.C. 20001

RE:  First Environmental Lawsuit (Danube) in The Hague


Dear Mr. Vice President,

On the 21st of August, 1993, you wrote to professor Bela Liptak about your
concern for the Danube ecosystem. Today, mankind is approaching an important
precedent: By the end of 1997 the International Court of Justice will rule on
the first international environmental lawsuit in The Hague.
       By this fall the ICJ will decide on this case involving the Danube and
the destruction of its ancient wetland region: the Szigetkoz. This name,
losely translated, means: "The region of a thousand islands," yet today there
are no islands left there, because the water is gone. Still, the implications
of this case go beyond the future of just one river or just the 400
endangered species of the only inland sea delta of Europe.
      This lawsuit will set a precedent for the whole planet and will answer
a much more basic question:  Do national governments have the right to
destroy  the natural treasures of this planet, or does mankind as a whole
have the right to protect them?
      Mr. Vice President, in 1995, nine international NGOs have submitted a
memorial to ICJ, which the Court accepted. A Compromise Plan was also
submitted to the Court, which would guarantee the restoration of the ancient
Szigetkoz wetlands, together with fulfilling the water-supply, shipping and
energy needs of the region. For details of this plan, information is
available at the web-site: http://www.goodpoint.com/duna.htm or from prof.
Liptak.
      Dear Mr. Gore. There is little question, that in October, the ICJ will
order Slovakia to return the Danube into its natural riverbed and will also
order the restoration of the Szigetkoz wetlands. But the ICJ has no powers to
enforce its rulings. Therefore it will be up to the international community
to force the parties to obey the ruling. This being the first international
environmental lawsuit before the ICJ, the outcome will establish an important
precedent. All governments must understand that there is a price to be paid
for being admitted into the European Community or into NATO. That price must
include the respect for international law. A statement by you, would
guarantee that the parties understand this. Please make that statement.

Respectfully yours,













































































NAME                                                        ADDRESS

The Honorable Stephen Schwebel
President of the International Court of Justice
Carnegieplein 2, 2517 KJ,
Den Haag
The Netherlands
(FAX:  011-31-70-3649-928)

RE:  First Environmental Lawsuit (Danube) in The Hague

Dear Mr. President:

Congratulations on your well-deserved appointment as the new President of the
International Court of Justice.  During your tenure, you will set new
precedents in many areas of international law, including the much neglected
area of international protection for the environment.

This year, for the first time in history, your Court will decide on an
environmental lawsuit concerning the Danube. The precedent you set will
affect all humankind.  In ruling on
the dispute between Hungary and Slovakia, you and your fellow judges can
establish that rivers, forests, and oceans are not the sole properties of
nations, and that national governments do not have the right to destroy the
planet's unique ecosystems, even if these natural treasures are within their
borders..

Mr. President. Your Court has already set a precedent, when it accepted the
Memorial of the international NGOs. You have established a second precedent
by visiting the Danube wetlands during the first week of April. You have seen
that the ecosystem of the Szigetkoz is dying due to the loss of groundwater,
caused by the rerouting of the Danube. This region used to supply the Danube
with the oxygen needed to digest the organic wastes. Now the "lung" of the
river been cut out and the dammed up river been turned into an open sewer.
Shipping has suffered because of flimsy construction and because the dam can
not handle ice. In addition, half of the populations of Dobrohost, Vojka and
Bodiky have already fled, because of their isolation and because the physical
danger they face.

Dear Mr. President. You are fully aware of the above and it is certainly not
our intention to belabor the obvious or to try to influence your decision.
What we are concerned about is not the ruling you will make, but the
enforcement of that ruling. If in the fall you rule that the Danube must be
returned into its natural riverbed, that ruling might not be carried out, if
not backed by sanctions. Therefore Mr. President, we would respectfully
suggest, that you consider setting yet an other precedent, by including in
your ruling a recommendation for United Nations sanctions in case of
non-compliance.

Respectfully,








































































NAME                                                        ADDRESS

The Honorable Madeleine Albright
United States Secretary of State
United States Department of State
Washington, DC 20520

RE: First Environmental Lawsuit (Danube) in The Hague

Dear Madame Secretary,

Please accept my congratulations on your well deserved appointment. I do hope
that your leadership will contribute to progress and stability in Central
Europe.

Madame Secretary, you now have a great opportunity to set a new tone for
American policy in connection with international environmental standards in
general and with the Danube lawsuit in particular, which is in progress at
the International Court of Justice in the Hague. This new tone would be
 consistent with the US policy of expanding Western structures to Central and
Eastern Europe, and to engage the US more actively in helping resolve
emerging inter-country conflicts in the Region by (i) urging your West
European partners to assist more pro-actively; and (ii) calling on both
parties (Hungary and Slovakia) to accept the Compromise Plan prepared by the
environmental NGOs and thereby cooperate in the quest for a solution that can
set an example for the future.

Your help in resolving the Danube problem would also be consistent with the
present US policy based on a global approach to environmental issues and
based on seeking to mobilize all relevant political (multilateral,
international, non-governmental and civic society) forces to assist in
avoiding environmental catastrophes caused by bilateral agreements that had
been drawn up by non-representative governments under a regional policy
framework which was imposed by Moscow.

This, the first international environmental lawsuit in human history, also
involves the United States, because it was the Paris Peace Treaty which set
the border between Czechoslovakia and Hungary and it was that  Treaty which
named the Great Powers as the guarantors of the integrity of the two nation's
territories. The Treaty also stated that the two nations DO NOT have the
right to change their border, unless the Great Powers first approve of the
change. Yet in 1977, under Soviet direction, the two nations signed a
contract to move the Danube, previously their border river, into an
artificial canal on Slovak territory. For so doing, they did not ask,  nor
did they receive the approval of the Great Powers. Therefore the Moscow
initiated 1977 Contract was and is INHERENTLY INVALID, and the Danube must be
returned into its riverbed.

Madame Secretary. There is little question, that in the fall, the
International Court of Justice will order Slovakia to return the Danube into
its natural riverbed and will also order the restoration of the Szigetkoz
wetlands. But, as you know, the ICJ has no powers to enforce its rulings.
Therefore it will be up to the international community to force Slovakia to
obey the ruling. This being the first international environmental lawsuit
before the ICJ, the outcome will establish an important precedent. It must be
understood that there is a price to be paid for being admitted into the
European Community or into NATO. That price must include the respect for
international law. A statement by you, would guarantee that the parties
understand this. Please make that statement.


Respectfully yours,








































































NAME                                                       ADDRESS
+ - Re: E-mail virus alert! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Hello list-

I'm a lurker on this list (by the way I enjoy this list very much) but must
delurk for this one.

>You're right, Miklos, I might be wrong.  However, I don't think I am.
>Let's just go by personal experience.

Your not wrong. You cannot get a virus on your system unless you have
opened an .exe file that has a virus in it's programming.  Notice I said
'open'. Just downloading a exe file with a virus does not put that virus on
your system. It has to be opened. E-mail messages are not .exe files so you
are safe from anyone putting a virus on an e-mail message. Just watch out
for any attachments that have .exe files, especially from people you don't
know.

>I've never received a virus through email.  I don't know of anyone who's
>received a virus through email.  Everyone I've talked to about computers,
>who know more about them then I do - and that's just about everyone - has
>told me that you can't get viruses through email.

There is only ONE exception to what was stated above. Microsoft Word files.
A Microsoft Word file will use an .exe to open. In theory someone could
send you a MS Word letter with a virus on it. To the best of my knowledge
this has never been done yet. But it is possible.

Hope this helps. Back to lurking for me.

Take care all,

John Klapko

+ - Re: E-mail virus alert! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Hi y'all,

All I know is that at work we have received "viruses" in the mail -
not once - and we have been warned by our MIS department repeatedly.
(I work for a large corporation - a developer of integrated systems
and manufacturer of computer hardware). So, I rather be safe than
sorry . . .  as they say.

Marina

In a message dated 97-04-13 10:36:55 EDT, you write:

<< >Joe Szalai wrote:
 <snip>
 >> This is nonsense.  You can't get a virus through email, no matter what
it's
 >> called.
 >>
 >> Joe Szalai

 >I am afraid, Joe, this could be one of the - indeed very few -
 >instances of your, again, possibly, being wrong...
 >Hat vakarodz!
 >M.

 You're right, Miklos, I might be wrong.  However, I don't think I am.
 Let's just go by personal experience.

 I've never received a virus through email.  I don't know of anyone who's
 received a virus through email.  Everyone I've talked to about computers,
 who know more about them then I do - and that's just about everyone - has
 told me that you can't get viruses through email.

 Have you ever gotten a virus through email?  Has anyone reading this list
 ever gotten a virus through email?  And can you prove that it came through
 email?

 Joe Szalai

 My general theory since 1971 has been that the word is literally a virus,
 and that it has not been recognised as such because it has achieved a state
 of relatively stable symbiosis with its human host; that is to say, the
 word virus (the Other Half) has established itself so firmly as an accepted
 part of the human organism that it can now sneer at gangster viruses like
 smallpox and turn them in to the Pasteur Institute.
            -- William Burroughs
  >>
+ - Re: E-mail virus alert! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 06:55 AM 4/13/97 -0400, you wrote:

>At 12:44 AM 4/13/97 GMT, Dominus wrote:

>
>>If anyone receives mail entitled; PENPAL GREETINGS! please
>>delete  it.
>>It is a dangerous virus propagating across the Internet
>>through an  e-mail message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!".
>>DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY MESSAGE  ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETINGS"!!
>>D.
>
>This is nonsense.  You can't get a virus through email, no matter what it's
>called.
>
>Joe Szalai

Joe is accurate. There are only limited ways a virus can be acquired, and
it would
always entail either executing a file or running a macro. Plain text cannot
contain
viruses. So just scan everything that you download or gets attached to
e-mail you
receive.

The same precautions apply in computing as they do in real (not virtual)
life: an
ounce of prevention .....

An excellent database for viruses, explanations, lists, manner of
distribution, defense.
etc. is at the Symantec site:

    http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/vinfodb.html

A specific site that deals to an (excruciating) detail with the GOOD NEWS
e-mail
virus (just another name for the PENPAL, except that it goes back to 1994)
can be 
found at:

   http://www.hr.doe.gov/goodtime.html


These things fall into the class of urban myths and they are social
viruses.... they
get everyone riled up and that's how they create havoc.

Bandi


P.S. This is edited from the Symantec page -- read it if you don't want to
mow the lawn:

SARC Virus Database - Penpal Greetings
 
"Keywords" = Symantec, computer, virus, research, information, free, fix,
detection, repair, 
NAV, Norton, SAM, Wild, Penpal Greetings, HOAX, Symantec. 
 
Penpal Greetings computer virus HOAX. 

Get  the best and most current in computer virus information, resource
materials, free downloads  
and free updates/patches. 
 
Description: 
 
Penpal Greetings is not a virus. It is a hoax. The “virus” does not exist.
There is currently no 
 virus that has the characteristics ascribed to Penpal Greetings. 
 
The e-mail message describing the virus is similar to the original Good
Times virus e-mail hoax. 
 It could even be described as a virus hoax strain. 
 
The Penpal Greetings hoax message includes the following “warning”: 
 
 
This is a warning for all internet users - there is a dangerous virus
propagating across the  
internet through an e-mail message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" DO NOT
DOWNLOAD  
ANY MESSAGE ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETINGS!" 
 
This message appears to be a friendly letter asking you if you are
interested in a penpal, but by 
 the time you read this letter, it is too late.  The “trojan horse” virus
will have already infected 
 the boot sector of your hard drive, destroying all of the data present.
It is a self-replicating 
 virus, and once the message is read, it will AUTOMATICALLY forward itself
to anyone who's  
e-mail address is present in YOUR mailbox! 

Please ignore any messages regarding this supposed “virus” and do not pass
on any messages 
 regarding it. Passing on messages about this hoax serves only to further
propagate it.
+ - Warning hoaxes / Re: E-mail virus alert! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On Sun, 13 Apr 1997, John Klapko wrote:
> Your not wrong. You cannot get a virus on your system unless you have
> opened an .exe file that has a virus in it's programming.  Notice I said
> 'open'. Just downloading a exe file with a virus does not put that virus on
> your system. It has to be opened. E-mail messages are not .exe files so you
> are safe from anyone putting a virus on an e-mail message. Just watch out
> for any attachments that have .exe files, especially from people you don't
> know.
 Unfortunately, the proliferation of email-handlers that accept and
execute attachments has murkied this issue considerably:  classical email,
being text-only, indeed can not possibly cause virus infection; however
many of the new-fang(l)ed ones, like MS-Mail or Netscape, may conceivably
do damage on specific systems (although not everywhere, as the infamous
'good times' warning-hoax claims) by letting thru malicious executables.
For a thororugh background check out "Good Times Virus Hoax FAQ"
<http://www.public.usit.net/lesjones/goodtimes.html>;!

 That said, most all the time one can safely ignore random warnings posted
by non-expert people - if there was serious danger we'd hear of it from
authentic sources soon enough. In particular, the "Pen Pals" warning is a
mere copycat of the GT-hoax, as mentioned in the FAQ above. I am enclosing
the mini-version below my sig, for further reference see the links shown.
Please excercise due restrain before sending out such unverified alarms -
only cry wolf if it is really absolutely lurking there ;-(! It should be
noted that these fake messages take up significant email list volume (in
the aggregate) - contrary to any real virus attack that has yet to be
observed happening. There actually is a running joke (that also gets
misinterpreted at times as bona-fide warning ;-() that the warning
messages themselves are an email virus infecting everything as they
spread uncontrollably...

--
 Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq >
Please note that the above is my new preferred address!
 My primary FAQ archive is presently at <ftp://ftp.alt.net/hungarian/>
       * I WILL NEVER, EVER, BUY SPAMVERTISED PRODUCTS! *


     _________________________________________________________________

     * Is the Good Times email virus a hoax?
     * I'm new to the Internet. What is the Good Times virus hoax?
     * What was the CIAC bulletin?
     * Online References
     * Where can I find this FAQ and the complete FAQ?

               The Good Times email virus is a hoax!
        If anyone repeats the hoax, please show them the FAQ.



             G o o d  T i m e s  V i r u s  H o a x
                           --------
                         M i n i  F A Q


                          by Les Jones
                         
                       

                        February 6, 1996



      This information can be freely reproduced in any medium,
            as long as the information is unmodified.

A FAQ, if you're new to the Internet, is a document that answers
Frequently Asked Questions. This Mini FAQ is a summary of, and a
reference to, the full FAQ, which has much more information about this
and other hoaxes. Instructions for retrieving the full FAQ are at the
end of this message. The Mini FAQ is short enough for faxes, message
boards, company memos, and people with short attention spans.

     _________________________________________________________________

  Is the Good Times email virus a hoax?

Yes. It's a hoax.

America Online, government computer security agencies, and makers of
anti-virus software have declared Good Times a hoax. See Online
References at the end of the FAQ.

The hoax has been around since at least November of 1994. Since that
time, no copy of the alleged virus has ever been found, nor has there
been a single verified case of a viral attack.

     _________________________________________________________________

  I'm new to the Internet. What is the Good Times virus hoax?

The story is that a virus called Good Times is being carried by email.
Just reading a message with "Good Times" in the subject line will
erase your hard drive, or even destroy your computer's processor.
Needless to say, it's a hoax, but a lot of people believed it.

Some of the companies that have reportedly fallen for the hoax include
AT&T, CitiBank, NBC, Hughes Aircraft, Microsoft, Texas Instruments,
and dozens or hundreds of others. There have been outbreaks at
numerous colleges.

The U.S. government has not been immune. Some of the government
agencies that have reportedly fallen victim to the hoax include the
Department of Defense, the FCC, and NASA.

The full Good Times Virus Hoax FAQ has more information about the
origins of the hoax, and variations on the text of the hoax.

     _________________________________________________________________

  What was the CIAC bulletin?

On December 6, 1994, the U.S. Department of Energy's CIAC (Computer
Incident Advisory Capability) issued a bulletin declaring the Good
Times virus a hoax and an urban legend. The bulletin was widely quoted
as an antidote to the hoax. The original document can be found at the
address in Online References at the end of the mini FAQ, and is
included verbatim in the full FAQ. CIAC issued another bulletin on
April 24, 1995 to reiterate that Good Times is a hoax.

     _________________________________________________________________

  Online References

CIAC Notes 94-05, 95-09, and especially 94-04

http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/notes/Notes04c.shtml
http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/notes/Notes05d.shtml
http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/notes/Notes09.shtml

Data Fellows' description of Good Times
http://www.datafellows.fi/v-descs/goodtime.htm

Australian Cert Note
ftp://ftp.auscert.org.au/pub/auscert/advisory/AL-95.02.virus.hoax.returns

     _________________________________________________________________

  Where can I find this FAQ and the complete FAQ?

The Good Times Virus Hoax FAQ and Mini FAQ

The mini FAQ is a greatly simplified version of this FAQ. At two
pages, it's short enough for message boards, faxes, mailing lists, and
people with short attention spans.

http://www.usit.net/public/lesjones/goodtimes.html
http://www.usit.net/public/lesjones/gtminifaq.html
http://users.aol.com/macfaq/goodtimes.html
http://users.aol.com/macfaq/gtminifaq.html

Via FTP:

ftp://usit.net/pub/lesjones/good-times-virus-hoax-faq.txt
ftp://usit.net/pub/lesjones/good-times-virus-hoax-mini-faq.txt
ftp://users.aol.com/macfaq/good-times-virus-hoax-faq.txt
ftp://users.aol.com/macfaq/good-times-virus-hoax-mini-faq.txt

On America Online:

In the file libraries at keyword VIRUS.
+ - Re: E-mail virus alert! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

John Klapko wrote:
> I'm a lurker on this list (by the way I enjoy this list very much) but must
> delurk for this one.
>
> Your not wrong. You cannot get a virus on your system unless you have
> opened an .exe file that has a virus in it's programming.  Notice I said
> 'open'. Just downloading a exe file with a virus does not put that virus on
> your system. It has to be opened. E-mail messages are not .exe files so you
> are safe from anyone putting a virus on an e-mail message. Just watch out
> for any attachments that have .exe files, especially from people you don't
> know.

> There is only ONE exception to what was stated above.

OK, here we agree again.
> Microsoft Word files.
> A Microsoft Word file will use an .exe to open. In theory someone could
> send you a MS Word letter with a virus on it. To the best of my knowledge
> this has never been done yet. But it is possible.

And I am not quite sure that only MSW is doing this.

> Hope this helps. Back to lurking for me.
>
Does. Was nice having you. Please, do call again.
> Take care all,

You too.
Miklos Hoffmann
+ - Re: E-mail virus alert! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Joe Szalai wrote:
>
> At 01:38 PM 4/13/97 +0200, Miklos Hoffmann wrote:
>
> >Joe Szalai wrote:
> <snip>
> >> This is nonsense.  You can't get a virus through email, no matter what it'
s
> >> called.
> >>
> >> Joe Szalai
>
> >I am afraid, Joe, this could be one of the - indeed very few -
> >instances of your, again, possibly, being wrong...
> >Hat vakarodz!
> >M.
>
> You're right, Miklos, I might be wrong.  However, I don't think I am.
> Let's just go by personal experience.
>
> I've never received a virus through email.  I don't know of anyone who's
> received a virus through email.  Everyone I've talked to about computers,
> who know more about them then I do - and that's just about everyone - has
> told me that you can't get viruses through email.
>
> Have you ever gotten a virus through email?  Has anyone reading this list
> ever gotten a virus through email?  And can you prove that it came through
> email?

You - almost - convinced me, Joe. Have I ever been to Australia? No.
Can I prove it was Australia. No. Thus, there is no Australia. :-)
M.
I was often told, I was ronda. :-((
+ - Re: E-mail virus alert! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On Sun, 13 Apr 1997, Miklos K. Hoffmann wrote:

> John Klapko wrote:
> > I'm a lurker on this list (by the way I enjoy this list very much) but must
> > delurk for this one.
> >
> > Your not wrong. You cannot get a virus on your system unless you have
> > opened an .exe file that has a virus in it's programming.  Notice I said
> > 'open'. Just downloading a exe file with a virus does not put that virus on
> > your system. It has to be opened. E-mail messages are not .exe files so you
> > are safe from anyone putting a virus on an e-mail message. Just watch out
> > for any attachments that have .exe files, especially from people you don't
> > know.
>
> > There is only ONE exception to what was stated above.
>
> OK, here we agree again.
> > Microsoft Word files.
> > A Microsoft Word file will use an .exe to open. In theory someone could
> > send you a MS Word letter with a virus on it. To the best of my knowledge
> > this has never been done yet. But it is possible.
>
> And I am not quite sure that only MSW is doing this.
 In theory most any program that allows attachments auto-launch coiuld do
it (and eg. Netscape could be just as bad); MSW is worse than most in
that it's widely used, and it could also interact with other MS/Win
programs more easily via VisualBasic than others. Regardless, the threat
is minimal if one takes the minimal common-sense  precaution of not
runnig executables of unknown origin.

--
 Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq >
Please note that the above is my new preferred address!
 My primary FAQ archive is presently at <ftp://ftp.alt.net/hungarian/>
       * I WILL NEVER, EVER, BUY SPAMVERTISED PRODUCTS! *
+ - Re: No HUNGARY content, but it's funny (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,
 says...
>
>At 10:24 PM 4/11/97 GMT, Agnes wrote:
>>> You mean that my
>>>> mother's threat "you will find out what I went through when you have
>>>> a son of your own" became true.
>>>
>>>Exactly this is whar I mean. Isn4t it interesting that exactly this
>>>was my mother4s thret, too? There must be a forgotten, archaic wisdom
>>>behind or - better and - end the working of higher justice behind.
Juj,
>>>juj s ott leszen siras es fogak csikorgatasa...( still, I wouldn4t
like
>>>to miss it...:-) )
>>>Miklos
>>
>>And the same here - I have 2 daughters....
>
>My mother had a slight variation:
>
>Majd visszakapod te a tiedtol! You'll get it back from yours.
>
>And I did.
>
>Gabor D. Farkas

Me too.... Agnes
+ - Re: from the Szabadsag (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,
 says...
>
>the Kolozsvar/Cluj daily:
>
>The Mayor's office of Marosvasarhely/Targu Mures (this is the town where
in
>1990 grave ethnic incidents took place) advertised several jobs in
various
>positions, and among the conditions for the job they included the
>requirement of speaking Hungarian and another world language (in
addition to
>Romanian). The local "prefectura" (the regional government office,
>controlled by the central government) protested the advertisement
because
>article 13 of the Romanian Constitution declares Romanian as the
official
>language. The prefectura threatens to take the Mayor's office to court
if
>the requirements for the other languages is not removed.
>
>Gabor D. Farkas

Sounds very similar to Quebec....

Agnes
+ - PENPAL GREETINGS! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

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