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1 Re: <<< NAME ONE NON-RACIST COUNTRY >>> (mind)  26 sor     (cikkei)
2 Hungarian broadcast information FAQ (mind)  124 sor     (cikkei)
3 Re: California scholars discover language is all Geneti (mind)  185 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: recepie for langos (mind)  3 sor     (cikkei)
5 Help with Hungarian language? (mind)  25 sor     (cikkei)
6 Re: Mulroney (mind)  75 sor     (cikkei)
7 Policy of Peoples Republic of Poetry (mind)  186 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: Finnish related to Turkish? (Not to mention other l (mind)  16 sor     (cikkei)
9 Re: Ma rta Sebestye n (mind)  14 sor     (cikkei)
10 Re: recepie for langos (mind)  12 sor     (cikkei)
11 ReReReRe: Mindent (avagy majdnem) a felzjmtott Web-olda (mind)  173 sor     (cikkei)
12 Re: Where are the most Hungarians? (mind)  7 sor     (cikkei)
13 Submit Site (mind)  22 sor     (cikkei)
14 Re: Quebec (was Re: California ...) (mind)  37 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: <<< NAME ONE NON-RACIST COUNTRY >>> (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

erbil wrote:
> Steve Kiely wrote:
> >
> > Name one (1) country with a racist-free history:
> >
> > 1.
> >
> > Steve Kiely
> > http://www.magna.com.au/~c41
> It's a matter of degree.

1. Iraq
2. Syria
3. Libya
4. Kuwait
5. Saudi Arabia
6. Egypt
7. Iran
8. Turkey
9. Yaman
11.and lately Afghanistan,

If you need more, don't hesitate to ask.
+ - Hungarian broadcast information FAQ (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Archive-name: hungarian/broadcast
Soc-culture-magyar-archive-name: broadcast
Last-modified: 1996/06/29
Version: 0.82
Posting-Frequency: every twenty days


 Many thanks go to Andy Vadasz and Peter Soltesz, who compiled much of
the information shown here. This file is being maintained at the
archive <http://www.hix.com/hungarian-faq/HU-broadcast.txt>;. A similar
compendium is also available from the HAL archives
with more related material under <http://mineral.umd.edu/hir/Entertainment/>;.

 The programme by the Radio Petofi is available real-time simulcast via
the Internet (the first such national broadcast according to them):
<http://www.petofi.enet.hu/reala.html>; (note that this adress is at
'enet.hu', signifying E-NET, which is distinct from 'eunet.hu' where
some other resources are to be found). That page has all the
information needed to get the sofware handling the 'realaudio' format,
or one can go straight to the source at <http://www.realaudio.com>;.

 Realaudio format recorded broadcast segments for some HungarianRadio
programmes are available thru <http://www.wrn.org/stations/hungary.html>;. 
The homepage for Radio Budapest (the external service of Hungarian
Radio) is at <http://www.eunet.hu/radio/>; - they have a lot of textual
information, including schedules and frequency tables for worldwide

 Computer-readable Hungarian language broadcast material from the Voice
of America is found under <http://www.voa.gov/programs/audio/>;; they
have other computer audio file formats for download beside realaudio as

 Here is a listing of Hungarian language broadcasts (as of 28 May
1996), collected by Peter Soltesz <mailto:>.
Note that the Hungarian language broadcast of the Radio Free Europe
(which was shown in the original version I posted) has been
discontinued sometime in '95! Also, the Voice of America beam is
transmitted from outside America and can't be received there (despite
the earlier listing showing them with their nominal Washington, D.C.
location). However their Web server makes computer-readable recordings
available, as shown in the paragraph above.  I dropped the VOA entries
from here - for the full schedules see
<gopher://gopher.voa.gov/00/voa-sked/hungarian-pgms> and for all the
frequencies <gopher://gopher.voa.gov/00/voa-sked/langs-and-freqs>
(these files can be accessed thru <http://www.voa.gov>; as well as from

<<< Text version of database file follows: >>>
  ID, Type, FREQ, City, ST, PROG, DAY, Time, Address, Tel, Fax 
 KTYM , AM ,, INGLEWOOD , CA ,1,,,,,
 WVOF , FM ,, FAIRFIELD , CT ,2,,,,,
 WNDU , AM ,, SOUTH BEND , IN ,1,,,,,
 WSBT , AM ,, SOUTH BEND , IN ,1,,,,,
 WRSU , FM ,, NEW BRUNSWICK , NJ ,1,,,,,
 WCSB , FM ,, CLEVELAND , OH ,1,,,,,
 WKTX , AM ,, CORTLAND , OH ,12,,,,,
 WKTL , FM ,, STRUTHERS , OH ,1,,,,,
 WIBF , FM ,, JENKINTOWN , PA ,1,,,,,
 WMZK , AM , 680 , DETROIT , MI ,1, FRI , 2100-2200 ,,,
 WNYE , TV , 25 , NEW YORK , NY ,0.5, SAT , 1500-1530 ,,,
 TCI , CABLE ,, WESTCHESTER County , NY ,,,,,,
      , AM , 1380 , NEW YORK , NY ,1, SUN , 1200-1300 ,,,
 WQRP , FM ,, DAYTON , OH ,3, SUN , 0900-1200 ,,,
 WNVC , TV , 56 , FALLS CHURCH , VA ,0.5, SAT , 0800-0830 ,, 1-703-698-9682 ,
 CKJS , AM , 810 , WINNIPEG, MANITOBA , CN ,0.5, SAT , 2000-2030 ,, 1-204-477-1
221 ,
      , FM , 105.9 , NEW YORK , NY ,2, SUN , 1200-1400 ,,,
      , SW , 25 m ,, PA ,0.25, TH , 1645-1700 ,,,
 TELSTAR , SAT , 22 ,, NA ,,,,,,
 GALAXY-4 , SAT , 23 ,, NA ,0.5, M-F , 1930-200 ,,,
 GALAXY-4 , SAT , 23 ,, NA ,0.5, SAT , 1730-1800 ,,,
 ASC-1 , SAT , 23 ,, NA ,0,,,,,
 VATICANA , SW ,,, IT ,0,,,,,
 CBN , SAT ,,, NA ,0,,,,,
 CBC , SW ,, TORONTO , CD ,,,,,,
 BBC , SW ,, LONDON , UK ,,,,,,
     , SW , 3250 , BIRMINGHAM , AL ,1, D , 0700-0755 ,,,
          ,, 830 , CLEVELAND , OH ,,,,,,
 DEUTSCHE W , SW ,,, GE ,0,,,,,
 WCPN , FM , 90.3 , CLEVELAND , OH ,1,,,,,

<<< end of database listing >>>

 Andy Vadasz <mailto:> posted the following:
+In a May 14 message, I reported (in part):
+> their current 9870 kHz will change to 9840 kHz starting May.21. Not clear
+>whether the change is for the entire 3 hour transmission (including
+>Hungarian and English language programs). 
+More recently the new arrangement has been posted on the "Radio Budapest"
+webpage: http://www.eunet.hu/radio/   To summarize. the North America beam
+is broadcast on 9840 and 11870 kHz with the following breakdown
+Starting time (UTC)     Language    Beam orientation
+00:00                   Hungarian    N.America East
+01:00                   English      N.America East
+01:30                   Hungarian    N.America West
+02:30                   English      N.America West
+In my area (Northern Virginia) the first two segments have been fair to good
+on 9840 kHz.

- --
 Zoli , keeper of <http://www.hix.com/hungarian-faq/>;
*SELLERS BEWARE: I will never buy anything from companies associated
*with inappropriate online advertising (unsolicited commercial email,
*excessive multiposting etc), and discourage others from doing so too!

Version: 2.6.2

+ - Re: California scholars discover language is all Geneti (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

>>>This is another step to divide and not to unite races.  Go
>>>Gabor M.
>>I fully agree.  On the top of it, these people won't get a
>>decent education if they won't be able to speak/write English,
>>so even the smart and ambitious ones won't be able to get out
>>of poverty. This is the same stupidity as what the Quebec
>>government does, to deprive children of learning decent
>>English, with their French only policy.

Poetician1 wrote: 
>Perhaps if they learned decent French they wouldn't end up so

"Johanne L. Tournier" >:
|If you ask a Frenchman in France, he would tell you that Quebec
|French is not decent French, because it is a dialect. 

Many Brits of England regard American English in the same manner.

"Johanne L. Tournier" > wrote:
|Anyway, you are putting words in Agnes's mouth, Wally. She did
|not say that speaking French is stupid or causes sstupidity, she
|said the policy of limiting access to English language education
|in Quebec is stupid.

She said that it is "the same stupidity" by the Oakland Board of
Education and the Quebec government wherein if children don't
learn decent English they won't be able to get out of poverty.
This is, of course, hogwash. Learning decent French does not
condemn a child to poverty. This is a stupid contention. 

Poetician1 wrote:
>French is a major world language -- it is not a cause of
>stupidity, poverty, or any other social ills. Perhaps it would
>be better if all Hungarians were required to learn English,
>instead of Hungarian. 

"Johanne L. Tournier" > wrote:
|You are setting up a straw man here, Wally. It is certainly a
|fact of life that people who speak a relatvely uncommon tongue
|are perforce obliged to learn a second language more so than
|people who speak one of the world's major tongues.

Then what is the point of continuing a language that the vast
vast majority of the world has no use for. Hungarian is largely
redundant, unnecessary. Far better to assimilate to the lingua
franca. I 'personally' think not.

|For example, the Scandinavians as a group tend to be proficient
|in 3 or 4 languages. This has not hampered their facility in
|speaking their native tongues in any way.

But why should it? Their native tongue, like Hungarian for
Hungarians, is maintained for culturally sentimental and
currently pragmatic reasons, and this is sufficient for their
continued existence.

|What is being observed in Quebec is the most narrow-minded and
|restricted chauvinism, and the younger people are being limited
|in their bilingual facility because of the government's
|deliberate policy. And this will not help Quebec or its people
|in the long run.

That is for the people of Quebec to decide. I consider your
contention, as well as Agnes's contention to be far more
chauvinistic and Anglo-imperialistic. There seems to be no
problem of chauvinism or narrow-mindedness when British Columbia
restricts its educational institutions to English-only.
British Columbia is very largely English-speaking. Quebec is very
largely French-speaking. You want to water down the French fact
of Quebec? I prefer that Quebec be as French as it can be. I have
no desire to turn Quebec into a Louisiana-clone.

>At any rate, Quebec permits English instruction of those
>students whose mother tongue was English -- 

"Johanne L. Tournier" >
|but they don't permit English education for those whose mother
|tongue was *other* than English, 

Why the hell should they? Those who immigrate to Canada and
FREELY CHOOSE to reside in Quebec are up for grabs -- Quebec
requires that they learn French, the other provinces require that
they learn English. In Penetanguishene the students can get a
French education. Penetag has been historically French. They were
French before the English conquest. The same for the belt of
French across northern Ontario (Sudbury & region) extending into
Manitoba. There are pockets of English in Quebec who have a
historically established right to expect English education
continuity for their children. Children of immigrants do not have
this right in Quebec, any more than children of immigrants have a
right to expect a French education in Edmonton. If an immigrant
wants their children taught in English, then they can freely
choose to live in 75% of the rest of Canada where the Quebec Act
of 1774 never prevailed. 

|and I believe the policies on English education are becoming
|even more restricted than they were for children whose parents
|are English speakers, but I don't have the exact regulations at
|my finger tips.

You can believe what you wish, however, it is not so alarmist as
is often made out.

>in fact, Quebec (a French province) is far more generous in
>English education than are Alberta, Manitoba, Ontario, etc
>(English provinces) in French education.

|That is B.S. I live in Nova Scotia, where the government funds
|education in French immersion for Anglophone students - a very
|different attitude toward learning Canada's other official
|language than you find in Quebec. 

When I started high school in southern Ontario, French was
dropped, and remained dropped from the curriculum. This was a
fact all over the province. French is available, and it is paid
for by the government. My son is presently attending an
alternative school which provides no French. Many other schools
in Toronto do not provide French. It's not compulsory. French
education is offered in those pockets of Francophone communities
where the numbers warrant its implementation. Nevertheless,
Quebec is more generous to its Anglophone community than Ontario
is to its Francophone community. To think otherwise is to be
subject to media mania.

|In addition, French students attending a school in Cape Breton,
|I believe it is, are upset, because they are being forced to
|attend a French language school, and they want to continue
|attending school with their Anglophone friends. 

This is news to me. Can you flesh it out?

>And French communities exist largely at their own expense
>outside Quebec in spite of the fact that there are majority
>pockets of them hither and yon across northern Ontario,
>Manitoba, New Brunswick.

|The French population of Manitoba is about 50,000 in a
|population of about 800,000, I believe. The question is how much
|governement subsidization is reasonable/feasible to support such
|a small minority. 
Indeed. Quebec has the right to ask the same question for its own
interest. It considers its French identity of utmost importance
and that it takes precedence over many other things. After the
conquest the English permitted the French to maintain their
language and Napoleanic civil code. This was all well and good.
Now that the French have regained real majority control of their
political structures, then are permitting the English in Quebec
to maintain their historically established English education. All
others get assimilated into French -- get used to it -- they are
right to do it.

>While I agree with you insofar as perceiving "Ebonics" as
>regressive in matters of advancing education and understanding,
>I disagree with your Anglo-centric assessment of Quebec's

|Criticism of Quebec's policies should not be seen as

Perhaps Anglo-suprematist would be more accurate.

|I doubt very much if Agnes has any particular bias toward
|Anglos, being as she is an allophone. Suppose the
|English-language children in the rest of Canada were told that
|they *could* not study in French? What would you think of that

There are many places in Canada where they are told exactly that
-- Whitehorse for example. There are no laws forbidding it,
however, it may not be available within a few hundred miles.
French-speaking children can study in English if the parents
privately pay for it. English-speaking children can learn French
if they pay for it.

|I suppose you think that the restrictions on the language on
|signs in Quebec is reasonable, too. 

Yes I do. It is their homeland. They have the right to decorate
their home as they see fit.
+ - Re: recepie for langos (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

+ - Help with Hungarian language? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)


I am a Belgiam computer science student and I am doing a project on
the Hungarian language. I know an Hungarian girl who helps me with it, but
some questions are digging a littlebit too deep in the Hungarian language
for her to answer. The problem is that she is not an expert on the grammar
of her language, so that she cannot explain the finer details of things
that don't exist in Dutch and therefore are difficult to grasp for me. If
you can help me or know anyone who can help me, please let me know!

Please reply by e-mail if you can. Thanks in advance.


PS. Sorry if this post landed in the wrong newsgroup. Could you advise
    me on a more appropriate one if this is the case? Thanks.

                                      \ \    / /    Joris Van Looveren
                                       \ \  / /     
 ___________________________________ ___> \/ <____  VUB - Brussel
+ - Re: Mulroney (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In > 
 (aheringer) wrote:
 (Wally Keeler) says...
|>Mulroney was also a victim of the general asshole-ism of the
|>Canadian population. One of the things he had right were the
|>constitutional proposals that would have brought Quebec into
|>the constitutional fold. 
|>He was correcting the fatal flaw of Trudeau's "repatriation" of
|>the constitution, and that flaw was a peculiar USAmerican value
|>and forsaking the British common law flexibilities. Pity.
|>Irving Layton was right when he wrote in his poem, "Shine On
|>Glorious Republic" (referring to the USA) that they (USA)
|>deserved "grander neighbours than assholes covered in ten
|>gallon hats."
|I dont'like to be vulgar, but as far as I am concerned, the
|asshole is Mulroney and not the Canadian population.  

Consider who freely voted him into office, not once, but twice.
That is asshole-ism of the general Canadian population. Irving
Layton had Canadians nailed to a T. "Canadians are a nice people
-- I can think of nothing else to say against them." These "nice
people" voted for Mulroney and handed him a decisive democratic

|Trudeau is a French-Canadian himself.

Since 1968, except for a brief interlude with Joe Clark, every
Prime Minister has been a Quebecer. In fact, Joe Clark managed to
speek fluent French, so it could be said that he also is a

|Why would he want to shortchange Quebec?

It was not his intent to do so.

|He was the one who brought in official bilingualism so that
|Quebecers feel at home everywhere in Canada - it didn't work.  

No it didn't work. It was not what Quebecers wanted. Their prime
interest was to feel at home in Quebec, not in Canada. Trudeau
had the misguided idea of imposing his brand of universality on
the general population, of general equality. He believed in the
primacy of individual rights, consequently, there could not be
symetrical rights, or rights peculiar or distinctive to Quebec.
Thanks to Trudeau, Quebec lost its traditional veto. The rest of
Canada refused to give this feature back to Quebec on the grounds
that all provinces are equal. Of course this is the English
version of equality, not the French version of equality -- and
since the English is a majority, they rule and Quebec submits.
Quebec is a chattal, has been a chattal, and wants to break out
of this confinement. Trudeau liberated nothing -- indeed, he
confined Quebec.

|Incidentally, when Mordechai Richler was interviewed and asked,
|"what does Quebec want?" He replied, "more"....

Yes, the bald-face nerve of those Quebecers wanting more. And why
shouldn't they.? It's like a housewife approaching her
husband of umpteen years and telling him that she wants more in
life, and consequently she wants to go out and get a job, exert
some independence, etc. She wants more. "But honey, the house is
wonderful, a pool in the back yard, etc." Sorry hubby, it's not
enough, I want more. Get it Agnes? You seem to regard the Quebec
people in the same manner as the Magyars regarded the
Transylvanian Romanians in pre-Trianon days. Let's Canadianize
those Quebecers.

Canadians are unable to accept the fact that Canada is a country
with two nations in it. Two nations. When that fact is accepted
as fact, then everything else can flow from it. I personally
oppose seperation.
+ - Policy of Peoples Republic of Poetry (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

|o THE PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF POETRY 250480                    o|
|o                                                          o|
|o The Peoples Republic of Poetry {PRP}, as its name        o|
|o indicates, has its historic roots {Origin Ally} in       o|
|o poetry. Just as the People's Republic of China is often  o|
|o referred in slangspeak as just China, the PRP is slang-  o|
|o thinked as Poetry. Its a Peoples Republic in name only;  o|
|o only in the name of Poetry is it a Peoples Republic.     o|
|o                                                          o|
|o Poetry has a long and glorious history. There are many   o|
|o great Poetentates -- Sappho, Catullus, Chaucer, Blake,   o|
|o Shakespeare, Keats, Dickenson, Eliot, Layton, Ginsberg,  o|
|o Atwood, bpNichol.[2] The very idea of poetry is as old   o|
|o as the tongue itself.                                    o|
|o                                                          o|
|o This poetic history constitutes the entire Bill of       o|
|o W|Rites upon which the PRP is founded. Just as NIXON,    o|
|o Richard Milhous[3] sometimes quoted his predecessor,     o|
|o LINCOLN, Abraham[4], and just as leadershit of other     o|
|o nations sometimes quote their predecessors, the PRP, in  o|
|o the name of Poetry, quotes its predecessors. Poetical    o|
|o history is no less vital than political history.         o|
|o                                                          o|
|o The following paragraph has been certified by the        o|
|o Poetburo as a correctful statement of General Policy     o|
|o concerning the PRP:                                      o|
|o                                                          o|
|o    The Peoples republic of Poetry is a State of Mind     o|
|o    oldthinked as imagination {ImageNation}, new-         o|
|o    thinked as "divergent think procedure." One of        o|
|o    the great forefathers of Poetry, STEVENS, Wallace,    o|
|o    illuminates best the divergent think procedure        o|
|o    concerning this State of Mind, "The final belief      o|
|o    is to believe in a fiction, which you know to be a    o|
|o    fiction, there being nothing else. The exquisite      o|
|o    truth is to know that it is a fiction and that you    o|
|o    believe in it willingly.[5] Such is the State of      o|
|o    Affairs which became the Affairs of State of Mind     o|
|o    in the ImageNation of the Peoples Republic of         o|
|o    Poetry.[6]                                            o|
|o                                                          o|
|o The following is the most recent certified correctful    o|
|o statement of General Policy. It's included here, in      o|
|o addition to the above, to provide a more GENERAL IDEA[7] o|
|o of the PRP:                                              o|
|o                                                          o|
|o    The Peoples Republic of Poetry is basically this;     o|
|o    a State|meant for Affairs of State within which       o|
|o    the ImageNation inhabits the role of government       o|
|o    as it sees the State of Affairs of State. The         o|
|o    Peoples Republic of Poetry can be expected to do      o|
|o    what is unexpected across these borders and           o|
|o    between the lines. The Peoples Republic of Poetry     o|
|o    is aware of the unlimited nations of this policy      o|
|o    infer to it our terms of inference and re-act         o|
|o    accordingly between the lines. Electing this State|   o|
|o    meant for re-creating sum history as our Origin       o|
|o    Ally, we can see clear to elect the State|meant       o|
|o    for Affairs of State of Mind of the ImageNation of    o|
|o    the Peoples Republic of Poetry.                       o|
|o                                                          o|
|o The PRP inhabits the role of government as it sees the   o|
|o State of Affairs of State. It's a State-of-the-Art State o|
|o of the Arts. Armed with this GENERALized IDEA {con|cept} o|
|o the PRP can blue-spark into manifest destiny pursuing    o|
|o its Primary Policy of Poetry Proliferation. It's an      o|
|o unrelenting ++expansionist policy unrestricted by        o|
|o oldthink poeticspeak: ie. architexture of sonnets,       o|
|o stanza constructions, meter configurations, rhyme        o|
|o schemantras, &c, &c.                                     o|
|o                                                          o|
|o This isn't to say that these elements have been retired  o|
|o from the Poetry Front. They still constitute a           o|
|o formidable force of foot soldiers; however, if any       o|
|o nation in the contemporary world relied solely and       o|
|o exclusively on foot soldiers for its power and potency,  o|
|o it could find itself easily overpowered and defeated by  o|
|o superior forces which are supplemented by an air force,  o|
|o a navy, and all the state-of-the-art technological       o|
|o extensions of power. In this regard the PRP supplements  o|
|o its foot soldiers with contemporary communications       o|
|o advances and State-of-the-Art media technology[8] to     o|
|o blue-spark the power of Poetry Proliferation.            o|
|o                                                          o|
|o This explicit metaphor of militaristic aggressiveness &  o|
|o poetentacy should infer in the mind that there are       o|
|o forces outside the territorial imperative of the PRP     o|
|o which must be rendered inoperative. These forces are     o|
|o crimethinked in a single word -- BUREAUCRAP[9].          o|
|o BUREAUCRAP is the post-nutritive disposal substance of   o|
|o adult male bovine animals. BUREAUCRAP is the NOSPEAK of  o|
|o newspeak. BUREAUCRAP is odorless, tasteless, colourless, o|
|o & lifeless. BUREAUCRAP saturates the airwaves, permeates o|
|o the news media & sub-verses the ImageNation of the       o|
|o human mind. The running mutts of BUREAUCRAP must be      o|
|o deep6d for Ultradisposal.                                o|
|o                                                          o|
|o The problem of BUREAUCRAP has been with us for centuries o|
|o & no less was this recognized than by SHELLEY, Percy     o|
|o Bysshe at the turn of the 1800's, "... if no new poets   o|
|o should arise to create afresh the associations which     o|
|o have been thus disorganized, language will be dead to    o|
|o all the nobler purposes of human intercourse." SHELLEY   o|
|o declared, "Poetry is the record of the best and happiest o|
|o moments of the happiest and best minds... These, and     o|
|o corresponding conditions of being are experienced        o|
|o principally by those of the most delicate sensibility    o|
|o and the most enlarged imagination; and the state of mind o|
|o produced by them is at war with every base desire.[10]   o|
|o                                                          o|
|o The unrelenting force of BUREAUCRAP has been traced back o|
|o to "The Republic" where&when Plato recommended that the  o|
|o ideal society of humans should banish forever its best & o|
|o happiest minds -- the Poet. That was one of the earliest o|
|o fulthinked salvos fired in the longest hot|cold, hot|    o|
|o cold war fulthinked by humankindless. Through all the    o|
|o millennia, the Poets, stoned on mere sunshine, have      o|
|o spoken and typed the word, the word of song, love, sex,  o|
|o living, but they never hesitated to snarl & attack the   o|
|o slightest incursion into their enjoyments. BLAKE,        o|
|o William, re-Versed the State of Affairs of State         o|
|o proposed by Plato & he never feared to name names; "Let  o|
|o us teach Buonaparte, and whomsoever else it may concern, o|
|o that it is not Arts that follow and attend upon Empire,  o|
|o but Empire that attends upon and follows The Arts.[11]   o|
|o                                                          o|
|o BUREAUCRAP exists in every State of Affairs of State     o|
|o regardless of govern|mental institutions, bureau|crazy,  o|
|o con|stitution, or idea|logics. Poetry lives in every     o|
|o State of Affairs of State regardless of the above, in    o|
|o the identical manner that a blade of grass shoulders up  o|
|o through a crack in the sidewalk or a rose that           o|
|o flourishes in the dungheap[12] of BUREAUCRAP. Poetry     o|
|o Proliferation has the identical motivation of the rose   o|
|o -- to expand the territorial imperative of joy.          o|
|o                                                          o|
|o Politicians can never be expected to Poeticthink.        o|
|o Politicians are the antithesis of Poeticians.            o|
|o Politicians expand only the territorial imperative of    o|
|o impersonal power. Poetry sub-Verses this movement.[13]   o|
|o Poetry re-Verses this movement. Poeticians have the      o|
|o Licence to make a politician eat their own words, eg.    o|
|o mange le merde,[14] & thereby achieve the Poetic Justice o|
|o Society.[15] May the Farce be with you.                  o|
|o                                                          o|
|o -------------------------------------------------------- o|
|o                                                          o|
|o [1] Coined by 449-450-089.                               o|
|o [2] Some of the acknowledged legislators of the world of o|
|o     Poetry.                                              o|
|o [3] Former President of the United States of Americaca   o|
|o [4] Former President of the United States of Americaca   o|
|o [5] From Adagio, Opus Posthumous.                        o|
|o [6] From OFFICIALDUMB STATE|MEANT 180178, prepared &     o|
|o     presented to the Royal Commission of Inquiry         o|
|o     Concerning Certain Activities of the RCMP            o|
|o [7] General Idea, a three-artist collective consisting   o|
|o     Felix Partz, George Zontal & A.A. Bronson. The PRP   o|
|o     modified for its own purposes the genral policy      o|
|o     statement of General Idea as published in FILE zine  o|
|o     & The Poet's Encylcopedia ISBN 0-934450-03-X:
|o     "General Idea is baasically this: A framing device   o|
|o     within which we inhabit the role of the artist as we o|
|o     see the living legend. We can be expected to do what o|
|o     is expected within these bounds. We are aware of the o|
|o     limitations of this and refer to it as our Frame of  o|
|o     Reference and act accordingly behind the lines.      o|
|o     Projecting our roles gives us some perspective to    o|
|o     start with so we can see clear to project our frames o|
|o     frame by frame."                                     o|
|o [8] This includes photography, film, video, computers,   o|
|o     fax, wire services, radio, &c.                       o|
|o [9] This includes bureaucratese, politicalese,           o|
|o     militarese, corporatese, psychologese, sociologese,  o|
|o     legalese, administrationese, computerese, advertease o|
|o [10] From SHELLEY, Percy Bysshe's essay, A Defence of    o|
|o      Poetry, 1821.                                       o|
|o [11] From Public Address, 1810.                          o|
|o [12] Post-nutritive disposal substance.                  o|
|o [13] As in bowel-vowel.                                  o|
|o [14] Post-nutritive disposal substance.      /\        /\o|
|o [15] Take off from Pierre Eliot Trudeau /\  /  \/\    /  \|
|o/\/\    /\  /\/\/\/\  /\/\    /\  /\    /  \/      \/\/    |
|/    \/\/  \/        \/    \/\/  \/  \/\/
+ - Re: Finnish related to Turkish? (Not to mention other l (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

[Criticism of several errors in Mr. Chong's list of 
Uralic/Altaic/Sumerian (supposed) correspondences...]

	If there are that many errors in it, then how reliable is it?

	I may note that my file,


	will soon be updated and HTMLized. I'm not sure when I'll get the 
job done, but when it is, I'll post a notification.
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+ - Re: Ma rta Sebestye n (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

>I received Ma'rta Sebestye'n's album, Lovessongs ... do
>all of her albums sound like this? ... the
>instrumental accompaniment on the album was a tad too electronically

Try "The Prisoner's Song". This is one of her older albums, contains
only ethnic music, and is excellent. After I got Apocrypha (same sort
of amateurish electronic accompaniment) I stopped buying her albums.
I liked her genuine village music better.

Also, if you enjoy Martha's singing, and want to hear an exceptionally 
pure village voice, listen to Budai Illona; I have an album in which
she sings almost everthing a capella, and it's great.
+ - Re: recepie for langos (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >  (
AVadasz841) writes:
>From:  (AVadasz841)
>Subject: Re: recepie for langos
>Date: 2 Jan 1997 01:32:06 GMT


Imadom a langost, 178 cm es 56 kg. Mikor fogok elhizni?
+ - ReReReRe: Mindent (avagy majdnem) a felzjmtott Web-olda (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

 (Gyorgy Kovacs) wrote:
|Remelem nem hagytad ki a legnagyobb kanadai linket (sokan
|tudhatjak hogy kire gondolok).   ;->
|Mar megint Mulroney-t piszkalod?!  ;-)))
|Udv,  Dominus

 (Joe Pannon) wrote:
>Nem hiszem, hogy arra gondolt.

(Gyorgy Kovacs) wrote:
|In Eternum. 

(Joe Pannon) wrote:
>Latom, a regi ministransok felismerik egymast. ;-)

(Gyorgy Kovacs) wrote:
|Legalabbis a latinul tanulo'k!   :->
|Neked is BUE'K!

From:  (aheringer)
=Dehogynem.  Ki masra?  Agnes

Indeed who else except Poetician1 of the Peoples Republic of
Poetry -- a Dichtatorship of the Soul.

And since you are all exchanging religious sediments here is a
bit of Prayer to levitate the season -- Reason's Gratings.


In the beginning there was the Lord's Prayer as delivered by the
Jewish Son of God, Jesus Christ of Nazareth. This first oral
version (1.00) was recorded by Matthew using papyrus media --
version 1.01.


Version 2.0 is to be found in the King James version of the New
Testament of the Holy Bible, "translated out of the original
tongues: and with the former translations diligently compared and
revised..." Gutenburg media.

              Our Father
              which art in heaven,
              Hallowed be thy name.
              Thy kingdom come.
              Thy will be done
              in Earth as it is in heaven.
              Give us this day
              our daily bread.
              And forgive us
              our debts,
              as we forgive
              our debtors.
              And lead us not into temptation,
              but deliver us from evil:
              For thine is the Kingdom,
              the power, and the glory
              for ever.

Version 2.01 as modified by the Trinity United Church:

              Our Father
              which art in heaven,
              Hallowed be thy name.
              Thy kingdom come.
              Thy will be done
              in Earth as it is in heaven.
              Give us this day
              our daily bread.
              And forgive us
              our trespasses,
              as we forgive
              those who trespass against us.
              And lead us not into temptation,
              but deliver us from evil:
              For thine is the Kingdom,
              the power, and the glory
              for ever and ever.


Version 3.* from the book entitled: 1ST NTRM RPORT OF TH COMISN
by Samizdada Publications, 1980. This version had been previously
published in Canada's National Magazine, Macleans, April 1974,
Vol 87, No.4, page 6.

This version entitled SPONTANEUS PRINTOUT 140172 was the
image-national prayer of the Peoples Republic of Poetry. Written
in 1972 with the same cadence as the Lords Prayer in the Trinity
United Church's King James version of the New Testament of the
Bible, as follows:

              XX whch is evrywher XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
              XX halowd be thy data XXXXXXXXXXXX
              XX Thy nfo com XXXXX  XXXXXXXXXXXX
              XX Thy progrm b don XXXXXX  XXXXXX
              XX here as it is evrywher XXXXXXXX
              XX & giv us this day XXXXXXXXXXXXX
              XX our datacards XXXXX  XXXXXXXXXX
              XX & 4giv us XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
              XX our humn errrs XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
              XX as we 4giv XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
              XX thy downtim XXXXXXXXX  XXXXXXXX
              XX & lead us nto automatn XXXXXXXX
              XX & dlivr us from work XXXXXXXXXX
              XX For thyn is th memry banks XXXX
              XX th nput/output terminls XXXXXXX
              XX 4evr & evr XXXXXXXX  XXXXXXXXXX


Version 4.0* (Beta). Evolution prevails:

              SPONTANEOUS PRINTOUT 150595

              which is everywhere
              hallowed be thy Windows
              Thy software come
              Thy program be done
              here as it is everywhere
              And give us this day
              our plug and play
              and forgive us
              our human errrors
              as we forgive
              thy loadtime
              And lead us into downsizing
              and deliver us from work
              For thine is the promises
              the promises and promises
              forever ad nauseum


Under construction . . .
+ - Re: Where are the most Hungarians? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Cleveland, Ohio, where the most Hungarians are.



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+ - Re: Quebec (was Re: California ...) (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,  says...
>In article >,  
>>That immigrant kids are required to use French schools? It does not 
>>bilingual facility but increases it: mother language + French. And like
>>all francophone kids they will watch US TV, and know more and better
>>English anyway than we generally do in France, or in Hungary.
>>>I think it says French cannot be in smaller letters? This leaves room
>>for English when felt necessary, and helps the French not switch to
>>English due to massive English presence in media etc - at least this
>>is how Quebecker visitors usually explain it to us in France. It makes
>>sense to me.
>Hey, Olivier, why don't you come here and scream from the top of the 
>Quebec Parliament, like your great "Fuhrer" De Gaulle did, "Vive le 
>Quebec libre"?

Agnes, you are beginning to sound like an Anglo extremist. Olivier is quite 
correct in his reception of the explanation. Bilingual signs are permitted 
but with the proviso that French be on top and in larger print. What is the 
problem with this? The only objections I know of would be coming from Anglo 
chauvinists. I'm a born Anglo-Canadian (5th generation) and I support the 
Frenchification of Quebec.

During the Charlottetown referendum regarding distinct status for Quebec 
(along with some other kitchen sink shit to distract and water down the 
referendum) I went through an entire floor of the the big business where I 
work handing out Canadian flags to everyone who supported the Charlottetown 
referendum in favour of Quebec's distinct status. Interestingly, the 
majority of immigrants were opposed to distinct status while the majority of 
Canadian-borns were in favour of distinct status for Quebec. I attribute 
this to USAmericanization of cultural values. Immigrants are more likely to 
adopt to USAmerican values, which are exported worldwide, whereas Canadian 
values are not, relatively speaking.