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HIX HUNGARY 936
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1997-03-09
Új cikk beküldése (a cikk tartalma az író felelőssége)
Megrendelés Lemondás
1 Re: US & Canadian Health Cares (mind)  59 sor     (cikkei)
2 Hungarian Lobby Action List, Revision #17 (mind)  340 sor     (cikkei)
3 Hungarian Lobby Action List, Revision #17 (mind)  340 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: US & Canadian Health Cares (mind)  54 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: US & Canadian Health Cares (mind)  33 sor     (cikkei)
6 Wine makers, legal and illegal (mind)  8 sor     (cikkei)
7 Re: US & Canadian Health Cares (mind)  41 sor     (cikkei)
8 Kossuth in N.America (mind)  27 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: US & Canadian Health Cares (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I am from Australia so I am not familiar with the payment systems in the USA bu
t are the figures you quote on a fortnightly, monthly or annual basis.
I have recently retired but here the health system is partly financed by a 1.5%
 levy on income tax and partly by private insurance. I am paying private hospit
al insurance for myself and family and it is around $A 110 per fortnight, depen
ding on the insurer.

Regards
Dénes 



----------
From:  jeliko[SMTP:]
Sent:  Sunday, 9 March 1997 7:23
To:  Multiple recipients of list HUNGARY
Subject:  Re: US & Canadian Health Cares

Istvan Szabolcsy writes:

>   Dear Readers:
>
>   Unless you are Republican, you probably agree with Senator Ted Kennedy, tha
t
>the U.S. should have a health care system like that of Canada.

Sorry but I am a republican and the last thing I need is the canadian health
insurance system.

>   If you are rich, have shares of insurance and pharmaceutical companies,
>hospitals, etc., and believe to be healthy at this moment, then you would
>probably favor the monopol-capitalistic private health care system of the U.S.

I am looking at the payslip from one of my jobs which indicates that health
insurance is in fact cheap in the US.

FICA (Social Security) 313.49
Federal tax          1,030.21
State tax              395.89
City tax                68.54
Health Ins              56.00

So I am paying more in city income tax than my cost of the health insurance.
Granted the company I work for pays 80% of the health insurance, but it
includes dental, drugs, glasses etc. for myself and the the family. I have
to pay additionally $3 for each prescription and $10 for each doctors visit.
It has a copay deductible which cannot exceed $ 1,000.00/year.
It includes major medical also and $20,000 life insurance. It is valid all
over the world. Since my arrival in the US I never managed to get to a point
that medical expenses could have been deducted from federal income tax.

>   Also, if you are a lawyer, as someone said, suing doctors for a living. I'v
e
>read somewhere that one third of the world's lawyers are in the United States.

Lets not bring lawyers into the picture. I know they add to the health care
costs but that is another issue.

Regards,Jeliko
+ - Hungarian Lobby Action List, Revision #17 (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Dear Colleagues,
                                                              March 9, 1997

Congratulations are in order to all of you.

* On our Danube action we have surpassed all expectations. Our fax-broadcast,
e-mail and regular letters are pouring in by the thousands, the media is
paying attention, our web-pages (thanks to Kriszti and Gotthard) are hits . Of
particular value is the work of the Mikes Circle of Holland, which has
organized a news conference, which we will hold right after the Slovak
presentation in The Hague. Thanks to all and please keep it up:  please send
ALL the letters which are attached to this status report.

* Our cooperation with the Romanian Lobby is also a success and might
eventually grow into a Central European Lobby.

* The Pentagon will show the BBC film "Cry Hungary" on the 40th anniversary
of Camp Kilmer. The "Feszek Klub" of New York will also show it on the 2nd of
April in New York 

* The New York Roundtable of all Hungarian organizations has become active,
its task-forces are tackling specific projects, the efforts to substitute
actions for words are successful.

Thanks a lot for helping.

Best regards: Bela Liptak 

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
LIST OF HL-ACTIONS IN PROGRESS
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 

BACKGROUND INFORMATION (Articles, Lists)

Csángó Problem (13 and 43)
Danube and the Compromise Plan (50)
E-Mail Lists of Media, Politicians, Environmentalists (2)
Gyulafehervar Declaration (44)
Hungarian Economy (34)
Hungarian History (1, 24 and 56))
Hungarian-Romanian Treaty's Text in both Hungarian and English (7 & 22)
Linguists Against the Slovak Language Law (26) 
Our Blind Spot for Vojvodina (2)
Pannonhalma (2)
Proclamation of the Hungarians in Slovakia (2)
Road to Peace: Collective Human Rights (2)
Slovak Constitution (4)
Slovakia's Hungarian Minority (41)
South Tyrol Precedent for Autonomy (45)
State Dept.: Romanian Human Rights Practice (32)
Subcarpathia (4)
Transylvania and the Romanian Constitution (3)
Trianon - Including Literature List (2,43 and 51)
Vojvodina (1 and 43)
Vojvodina, history of genocide (33)
Voting rights of dual citizens (22)
1956 Memoirs (2)

LETTER, ARTICLE AND FAX CAMPAIGNS (Formletters)

Cry Hungary - Demand to show the BBC film in Hungary (2)
Csangos - 10 ways to help (2)
              - Allow them to hear the Holy Mass in their native language (2)
              - Letters to Vatican Radio, the Vatican paper L'Observatore and
                to Archbishop of Gyor (25 and19)
              - Protest the "hands-off" policy of the Hungarian Catholic
                Church (55)
Danube - Chain letter to spread news of "SAVE THE BLUE DANUBE" web site (50)
            - Help Hungarian Law Students to Get to The Hague (60)
            - International Court of Justice (2)
            - Letter to Vice President Gore, ICJ President Schwebel and
Secretary
               Albright (Attached)
            - Place our web-page on as many servers as possible (49)
            - Support for Environmental NGO Memorial (2)
            - Support Compromise Plan (2)
            - For Danube related information refer to homepages (49):
              Our own:
               http:/mineral.umd.edu/hl/duna
               http://www.goodpoint.com/duna.htm
              Supporters:
               http://www.interdnet.hu/greenpoint.htm
               http.//origo.hnm.hu/danube_doc/
               http:/gurukul.ucc.american.edu/TED/HUNGARY.HTM
Debt Repayment by Hungarian Stocks, Recommendation to Finance Minister (2)
Demand Slovak Apology for Expulsion of Hungarians after WW2 (2)
Habitat Housing Project of President Carter, Assistance (42)
Hungarian Secret Police - Demand opening the III/II Files (2,11,31)
                                    - Oppose 80 year secrecy of "oilgate" (2)
   
Protest Bias of Reuters Reporters Roxana and Adrian Dascalu (46)
Protesting Gerrymandering in Slovakia (2)
Protesting Slovak Destruction of Hungarian Monuments (19)
Protesting Slovak Language Police ( 9)
Protesting Slovak Law Forbidding the Singing of National Anthems (19)
Rehabilitate Ilonka Toth, Request to Justice Minister (2)
Roma Problem: Asking for Protection of Romas (2)
                        Used clothing for the Transylvanian Roma (30)
                        Protection against skinheads (57)
Romanian Lobby (Joint Action): Support for NATO membershih (63)
Support: Democracy movement in Serbia (52)
Support for Somorja's Mayor on Language Law's Constitutionality (2)
Support for Unitarian Statement on Human Rights in Romania (5) 

OTHER PROJECTS
AP/Reuters/UPI, Obtain names and e-mail/fax of key reporters (19)
Balczo Andras Lecture Tour of the USA (58)
Coordinate our Efforts with:
                           Hungarian Minister for the Minorities (7)
                           Romanian Lobby (20)
Pal Cseresznyes: Collection for the Cseresznyes Fund (48)
Donations:      to help csangos (52 and 54)
                      to Publish History of Bolyai Farkas Liceum (16 & 20)
                      for Building School Dormitory in Szabadka (27)
                      for Hungarian Press in Slovakia (6)
                      for Hungarian Press in Subcarpathia (62)
Kossuth Projects: Web-page to coordinate efforts (7)
                            New York statue restoration (61)
Order Dr. I. Benko's book on Trianon (35)
Support printing of postcards and stamps for Danube lawsuit (38)
Task-force to name 6th Avenue as Freedomfighter's Avenue (59)

NUMBER CODES:
1) 
2) HL archives at http://mineral.umd.edu/hl/archive/ or 
3) 
4) 
5) 
6) László Böjtös, 11312 Fitzwater Dr. Brecksville, OH 44141
7) 
8) 
9) Eugene Megyesy Esq., fax: 303-832-3804
10) 
11) 
12) 
13) kurrah.cab.jgytf.u-szeged.hu  OR 
(14) 
(15) 
(16) Cultural Foundation for Transylvania, POB 1487, Washington DC 20013-1487
(17) Dr. J.L. Bollyky (fax: 203-967-4845)
(18) 
(19)  
(20) 
(21) 
(22) 
(23) 
(24) http://www.mediarange.com/media/huncor/huncor.htm
(25) 
(26) 
(27) 
(28) HHRF fax: 212-996-6268, Hungarian Coalition fax: 202-775-5175
(29) 
(30) International Roma Federation, Sandor Balogh, VP. 308 E. 80th St. NYC
10021, Fax: 212-472-7782.
(31) 
(32) 
(33) 
(34) 
(35) Dr. I. Benko, 18222 Robin Ave, Somona, CA 95476
(36) 
(37) 
(38) Laszlo Kertesz, Veszprem, Varga u. 8/8, Hungary
(39) 
(40) 
(41) 
(42) 
(43) 
(44)  
(45) 
(46) 
(47) Zonda Attila, fax: 011-40-65-168-511
(48) The Calvin Hungarian Presbyterian Church
11701-86 Street, Edmonton, Alberta, T5B 3J7, CANADA
(49) 
(50) http://www.goodpoint.com/duna.htm
(51) http://www.msstate.edu/archives/history/hungary.html
(52)  (Istok Gyorgy, Com: Cleja code: 5529, Jud: Bacau,
Romania)  
(53) http://galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu/~protest96/
       http://mineral.umd.edu/protest96/
(54) Dr. Judit Gellerd, "Center for Free Religion"  
       1012 Bryant Ave, Chico, California 95926
(55)  Dr. István Seregély, Archbishop of Gyo" r
       H-3309 Eger, Széchenyi u. 1, HUNGARY
(56) http://www.net.hu/corvinus
       http://www.msstate.edu/archives/history/hungary
       http://www.mediarange.com/media/huncor/huncor.htm
(57)  (Dragoljub Ackovic)
(58)  Laszlo Berta (Tel: 216-941-2851, fax: 216-631-0262).
(59) Sandor Tecsy, 45 Huber Place, Yonkers, NY 10704 
(60) Marcel Szabo:	
(61) Barbara Bollok (T: 212-535-3681, F: 212-734-6790)
(62) Karoly Balla, Ungvar, Var u (Zamkova) 8, 294000-UKRAINE
(63) 
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PS: Please sign and/or collect signatures to the attached three form letters:

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

The Honorable Al Gore
Vice President of the United States
The White House
Washington, D.C. 20001
(E-Mail: 

Dear Mr. Vice President, 

On the 21st of August, 1993, you wrote to professor Bela Liptak about your
concern for the Danube ecosystem. Today, mankind is approaching an important
precedent: On the 3rd of March, 1997 the International Court of Justice will
start the first international environmental lawsuit in The Hague.
       The ICJ will decide a case involving the Danube and the destruction of
its ancient wetland region: the Szigetkoz. This name, losely translated,
means:  The region of a thousand islands,  yet today there is not a single
island left there, because the water is gone. Still, the implications of this
case go beyond the future of just one river or just the 400 endangered
species of one ancient ecosystem.
      This lawsuit will set a precedent for the whole planet and will answer
a much more basic question:  Do national governments have the right to do as
they please with our ecosystems, or does mankind as a whole have a right to
protect the rich natural treasures, which belong to all of us?
      Mr. Vice President, in 1995, nine international environmental NGOs have
submitted a memorial to ICJ, which its president, the Honorable Mohammed
Bedjaoui has accepted. A Compromise Plan was also submitted to the Court,
which would guarantee the restoration of the ancient Szigetkoz wetlands,
together with fulfilling the water- supply, shipping and energy needs of the
region. For details of this plan and for other aspects of the lawsuit, please
ask Bela Liptak or visit the web-site at: http://www.goodpoint.com/duna.htm
      Dear Mr. Gore. It is very important that the first international
environmental lawsuit be given the attention it deserves by the media. The
Foundation to Protect the Hungarian Environment can inform you of the
details. A statement by you, can guarantee that attention. Please make that
statement.

Respectfully yours,

Your name, title and address

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
The Honorable Stephen Schwebel
President of the International Court of Justice
Carnegieplein 2, 2517 KJ,
Den Haag
The Netherlands
FAX:  011-31-70-3649-928

Dear Mr. President:

Congratulations on your well-deserved appointment as the new
President of the International Court of Justice.  Your professional
background is sure to further increase the reputation of the Court.

This month, for the first time in history, your Court will decide on
an environmental lawsuit which affects all humankind.  In ruling on
the future of the Danube in the dispute between Hungary and Slovakia,
you and your fellow judges can set a precedent by ruling that rivers,
forests, and oceans are not the sole properties of nations, that
nations do not have the right to destroy unique ecosystems.

The ecosystem of the Szigetkoz is dying due to the tragic drop in
groundwater level which is caused by the rerouting of the Danube. This
region, which was the oxygen supply of the Danube, has been destroyed
because the lung of the river (the wetland region) has been cut out.
Shipping on the Danube has suffered because of flimsy construction and
because the dam is not designed to handle ice.  Most importantly, the
population of the region is in physical danger and two-thirds of the
populations of Dobrohost, Vojka and Bodiky have already fled.

The Foundation to Protect the Hungarian Environment has submitted to
the Court a Compromise Plan to return the Danube into its natural
riverbed.  I hope and trust that the Court will save the ecosystem of
the Szigetkoz by giving this Compromise Plan serious consideration as
it makes its historic ruling.

Respectfully,

your name, address, title

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

The Honorable Madeleine Albright
United States Secretary of State
United States Department of State
Washington, DC 20520
( E-Mail:  )

RE: First Environmental Lawsuit (Danube) in The Hague

Dear Madame Secretary,

Please accept my congratulations on your well deserved appointment, which to
us Americans with Central European roots gives a special ray of hope. We hope
for even greater American understanding and compassion for the people of
Central Europe, for their progress and stability.

Madame Secretary, you now have a great opportunity to set a new tone for
American policy in connection with the Danube lawsuit, which is beginning
next week in the Hague. This new tone would be  consistent with the US policy
of expanding Western structures to Central and Eastern Europe, and to engage
the US more actively in helping resolve emerging inter-country conflicts in
the Region by (i) urging your West European partners to assist more
pro-actively; and (ii) calling on both parties (Hungary and Slovakia) to
accept the Compromise Plan prepared by the environmental NGOs and thereby
cooperate in the quest for a solution that can set an example for the future.
           
Your help in resolving the Danube problem would also be consistent with the
present US policy based on a global approach to environmental issues and on
seeking to mobilize all relevant political (multilateral, international,
non-governmental and civic society) forces to assist in avoiding
environmental catastrophes caused by bilateral agreements that had been drawn
up by non-representative governments under a regional policy framework which
was imposed by Moscow.
           
Therefore please exert your influence on the outcome of the first
international environmental lawsuit in human history. You would not be
interfering in the operation of the International Court of Justice, but would
be fulfilling an American obligation by so doing. This is, because it was the
Paris Peace Treaty which set the border between Czechoslovakia and Hungary
and it was that  Treaty which named the Great Powers as the guarantors of the
integrity of the two nation's territories. The Treaty also stated that the
two nations DO NOT have the right to make changes, unless the Great Powers
first approve of the change. Yet in 1977, under Soviet direction, the two
nations signed a contract to move the Danube, previously their border river,
into an artificial canal on Slovak territory. For so doing, they did not ask,
 nor did they receive the approval of the Great Powers.

Madame Secretary. The International Court of Justice must be advised that the
Moscow initiated 1977 Contract was and is INHERENTLY INVALID, because it is
in conflict with the Paris Peace Treaty. It is both the legal obligation and
the moral duty of the United States to fulfill her role as a guarantor of the
Paris Peace Treaty. Even more importantly, it is in the interest of the
United States to make sure that the Danube is returned into its riverbed and
thereby the stability of the region is maintained. 

Madame Secretary, a single statement from you will resolve this issue. Please
make that statement.

Respectfully yours, 

Your name, address, title
+ - Hungarian Lobby Action List, Revision #17 (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Dear Colleagues,
                                                              March 9, 1997

Congratulations are in order to all of you.

* On our Danube action we have surpassed all expectations. Our fax-broadcast,
e-mail and regular letters are pouring in by the thousands, the media is
paying attention, our web-pages (thanks to Kriszti and Gotthard) are hits . Of
particular value is the work of the Mikes Circle of Holland, which has
organized a news conference, which we will hold right after the Slovak
presentation in The Hague. Thanks to all and please keep it up:  please send
ALL the letters which are attached to this status report.

* Our cooperation with the Romanian Lobby is also a success and might
eventually grow into a Central European Lobby.

* The Pentagon will show the BBC film "Cry Hungary" on the 40th anniversary
of Camp Kilmer. The "Feszek Klub" of New York will also show it on the 2nd of
April in New York 

* The New York Roundtable of all Hungarian organizations has become active,
its task-forces are tackling specific projects, the efforts to substitute
actions for words are successful.

Thanks a lot for helping.

Best regards: Bela Liptak 

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
LIST OF HL-ACTIONS IN PROGRESS
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX 

BACKGROUND INFORMATION (Articles, Lists)

Csángó Problem (13 and 43)
Danube and the Compromise Plan (50)
E-Mail Lists of Media, Politicians, Environmentalists (2)
Gyulafehervar Declaration (44)
Hungarian Economy (34)
Hungarian History (1, 24 and 56))
Hungarian-Romanian Treaty's Text in both Hungarian and English (7 & 22)
Linguists Against the Slovak Language Law (26) 
Our Blind Spot for Vojvodina (2)
Pannonhalma (2)
Proclamation of the Hungarians in Slovakia (2)
Road to Peace: Collective Human Rights (2)
Slovak Constitution (4)
Slovakia's Hungarian Minority (41)
South Tyrol Precedent for Autonomy (45)
State Dept.: Romanian Human Rights Practice (32)
Subcarpathia (4)
Transylvania and the Romanian Constitution (3)
Trianon - Including Literature List (2,43 and 51)
Vojvodina (1 and 43)
Vojvodina, history of genocide (33)
Voting rights of dual citizens (22)
1956 Memoirs (2)

LETTER, ARTICLE AND FAX CAMPAIGNS (Formletters)

Cry Hungary - Demand to show the BBC film in Hungary (2)
Csangos - 10 ways to help (2)
              - Allow them to hear the Holy Mass in their native language (2)
              - Letters to Vatican Radio, the Vatican paper L'Observatore and
                to Archbishop of Gyor (25 and19)
              - Protest the "hands-off" policy of the Hungarian Catholic
                Church (55)
Danube - Chain letter to spread news of "SAVE THE BLUE DANUBE" web site (50)
            - Help Hungarian Law Students to Get to The Hague (60)
            - International Court of Justice (2)
            - Letter to Vice President Gore, ICJ President Schwebel and
Secretary
               Albright (Attached)
            - Place our web-page on as many servers as possible (49)
            - Support for Environmental NGO Memorial (2)
            - Support Compromise Plan (2)
            - For Danube related information refer to homepages (49):
              Our own:
               http:/mineral.umd.edu/hl/duna
               http://www.goodpoint.com/duna.htm
              Supporters:
               http://www.interdnet.hu/greenpoint.htm
               http.//origo.hnm.hu/danube_doc/
               http:/gurukul.ucc.american.edu/TED/HUNGARY.HTM
Debt Repayment by Hungarian Stocks, Recommendation to Finance Minister (2)
Demand Slovak Apology for Expulsion of Hungarians after WW2 (2)
Habitat Housing Project of President Carter, Assistance (42)
Hungarian Secret Police - Demand opening the III/II Files (2,11,31)
                                    - Oppose 80 year secrecy of "oilgate" (2)
   
Protest Bias of Reuters Reporters Roxana and Adrian Dascalu (46)
Protesting Gerrymandering in Slovakia (2)
Protesting Slovak Destruction of Hungarian Monuments (19)
Protesting Slovak Language Police ( 9)
Protesting Slovak Law Forbidding the Singing of National Anthems (19)
Rehabilitate Ilonka Toth, Request to Justice Minister (2)
Roma Problem: Asking for Protection of Romas (2)
                        Used clothing for the Transylvanian Roma (30)
                        Protection against skinheads (57)
Romanian Lobby (Joint Action): Support for NATO membershih (63)
Support: Democracy movement in Serbia (52)
Support for Somorja's Mayor on Language Law's Constitutionality (2)
Support for Unitarian Statement on Human Rights in Romania (5) 

OTHER PROJECTS
AP/Reuters/UPI, Obtain names and e-mail/fax of key reporters (19)
Balczo Andras Lecture Tour of the USA (58)
Coordinate our Efforts with:
                           Hungarian Minister for the Minorities (7)
                           Romanian Lobby (20)
Pal Cseresznyes: Collection for the Cseresznyes Fund (48)
Donations:      to help csangos (52 and 54)
                      to Publish History of Bolyai Farkas Liceum (16 & 20)
                      for Building School Dormitory in Szabadka (27)
                      for Hungarian Press in Slovakia (6)
                      for Hungarian Press in Subcarpathia (62)
Kossuth Projects: Web-page to coordinate efforts (7)
                            New York statue restoration (61)
Order Dr. I. Benko's book on Trianon (35)
Support printing of postcards and stamps for Danube lawsuit (38)
Task-force to name 6th Avenue as Freedomfighter's Avenue (59)

NUMBER CODES:
1) 
2) HL archives at http://mineral.umd.edu/hl/archive/ or 
3) 
4) 
5) 
6) László Böjtös, 11312 Fitzwater Dr. Brecksville, OH 44141
7) 
8) 
9) Eugene Megyesy Esq., fax: 303-832-3804
10) 
11) 
12) 
13) kurrah.cab.jgytf.u-szeged.hu  OR 
(14) 
(15) 
(16) Cultural Foundation for Transylvania, POB 1487, Washington DC 20013-1487
(17) Dr. J.L. Bollyky (fax: 203-967-4845)
(18) 
(19)  
(20) 
(21) 
(22) 
(23) 
(24) http://www.mediarange.com/media/huncor/huncor.htm
(25) 
(26) 
(27) 
(28) HHRF fax: 212-996-6268, Hungarian Coalition fax: 202-775-5175
(29) 
(30) International Roma Federation, Sandor Balogh, VP. 308 E. 80th St. NYC
10021, Fax: 212-472-7782.
(31) 
(32) 
(33) 
(34) 
(35) Dr. I. Benko, 18222 Robin Ave, Somona, CA 95476
(36) 
(37) 
(38) Laszlo Kertesz, Veszprem, Varga u. 8/8, Hungary
(39) 
(40) 
(41) 
(42) 
(43) 
(44)  
(45) 
(46) 
(47) Zonda Attila, fax: 011-40-65-168-511
(48) The Calvin Hungarian Presbyterian Church
11701-86 Street, Edmonton, Alberta, T5B 3J7, CANADA
(49) 
(50) http://www.goodpoint.com/duna.htm
(51) http://www.msstate.edu/archives/history/hungary.html
(52)  (Istok Gyorgy, Com: Cleja code: 5529, Jud: Bacau,
Romania)  
(53) http://galeb.etf.bg.ac.yu/~protest96/
       http://mineral.umd.edu/protest96/
(54) Dr. Judit Gellerd, "Center for Free Religion"  
       1012 Bryant Ave, Chico, California 95926
(55)  Dr. István Seregély, Archbishop of Gyo" r
       H-3309 Eger, Széchenyi u. 1, HUNGARY
(56) http://www.net.hu/corvinus
       http://www.msstate.edu/archives/history/hungary
       http://www.mediarange.com/media/huncor/huncor.htm
(57)  (Dragoljub Ackovic)
(58)  Laszlo Berta (Tel: 216-941-2851, fax: 216-631-0262).
(59) Sandor Tecsy, 45 Huber Place, Yonkers, NY 10704 
(60) Marcel Szabo:      
(61) Barbara Bollok (T: 212-535-3681, F: 212-734-6790)
(62) Karoly Balla, Ungvar, Var u (Zamkova) 8, 294000-UKRAINE
(63) 
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PS: Please sign and/or collect signatures to the attached three form letters:

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

The Honorable Al Gore
Vice President of the United States
The White House
Washington, D.C. 20001
(E-Mail: 

Dear Mr. Vice President, 

On the 21st of August, 1993, you wrote to professor Bela Liptak about your
concern for the Danube ecosystem. Today, mankind is approaching an important
precedent: On the 3rd of March, 1997 the International Court of Justice will
start the first international environmental lawsuit in The Hague.
       The ICJ will decide a case involving the Danube and the destruction of
its ancient wetland region: the Szigetkoz. This name, losely translated,
means:  The region of a thousand islands,  yet today there is not a single
island left there, because the water is gone. Still, the implications of this
case go beyond the future of just one river or just the 400 endangered
species of one ancient ecosystem.
      This lawsuit will set a precedent for the whole planet and will answer
a much more basic question:  Do national governments have the right to do as
they please with our ecosystems, or does mankind as a whole have a right to
protect the rich natural treasures, which belong to all of us?
      Mr. Vice President, in 1995, nine international environmental NGOs have
submitted a memorial to ICJ, which its president, the Honorable Mohammed
Bedjaoui has accepted. A Compromise Plan was also submitted to the Court,
which would guarantee the restoration of the ancient Szigetkoz wetlands,
together with fulfilling the water- supply, shipping and energy needs of the
region. For details of this plan and for other aspects of the lawsuit, please
ask Bela Liptak or visit the web-site at: http://www.goodpoint.com/duna.htm
      Dear Mr. Gore. It is very important that the first international
environmental lawsuit be given the attention it deserves by the media. The
Foundation to Protect the Hungarian Environment can inform you of the
details. A statement by you, can guarantee that attention. Please make that
statement.

Respectfully yours,

Your name, title and address

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
The Honorable Stephen Schwebel
President of the International Court of Justice
Carnegieplein 2, 2517 KJ,
Den Haag
The Netherlands
FAX:  011-31-70-3649-928

Dear Mr. President:

Congratulations on your well-deserved appointment as the new
President of the International Court of Justice.  Your professional
background is sure to further increase the reputation of the Court.

This month, for the first time in history, your Court will decide on
an environmental lawsuit which affects all humankind.  In ruling on
the future of the Danube in the dispute between Hungary and Slovakia,
you and your fellow judges can set a precedent by ruling that rivers,
forests, and oceans are not the sole properties of nations, that
nations do not have the right to destroy unique ecosystems.

The ecosystem of the Szigetkoz is dying due to the tragic drop in
groundwater level which is caused by the rerouting of the Danube. This
region, which was the oxygen supply of the Danube, has been destroyed
because the lung of the river (the wetland region) has been cut out.
Shipping on the Danube has suffered because of flimsy construction and
because the dam is not designed to handle ice.  Most importantly, the
population of the region is in physical danger and two-thirds of the
populations of Dobrohost, Vojka and Bodiky have already fled.

The Foundation to Protect the Hungarian Environment has submitted to
the Court a Compromise Plan to return the Danube into its natural
riverbed.  I hope and trust that the Court will save the ecosystem of
the Szigetkoz by giving this Compromise Plan serious consideration as
it makes its historic ruling.

Respectfully,

your name, address, title

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

The Honorable Madeleine Albright
United States Secretary of State
United States Department of State
Washington, DC 20520
( E-Mail:  )

RE: First Environmental Lawsuit (Danube) in The Hague

Dear Madame Secretary,

Please accept my congratulations on your well deserved appointment, which to
us Americans with Central European roots gives a special ray of hope. We hope
for even greater American understanding and compassion for the people of
Central Europe, for their progress and stability.

Madame Secretary, you now have a great opportunity to set a new tone for
American policy in connection with the Danube lawsuit, which is beginning
next week in the Hague. This new tone would be  consistent with the US policy
of expanding Western structures to Central and Eastern Europe, and to engage
the US more actively in helping resolve emerging inter-country conflicts in
the Region by (i) urging your West European partners to assist more
pro-actively; and (ii) calling on both parties (Hungary and Slovakia) to
accept the Compromise Plan prepared by the environmental NGOs and thereby
cooperate in the quest for a solution that can set an example for the future.
           
Your help in resolving the Danube problem would also be consistent with the
present US policy based on a global approach to environmental issues and on
seeking to mobilize all relevant political (multilateral, international,
non-governmental and civic society) forces to assist in avoiding
environmental catastrophes caused by bilateral agreements that had been drawn
up by non-representative governments under a regional policy framework which
was imposed by Moscow.
           
Therefore please exert your influence on the outcome of the first
international environmental lawsuit in human history. You would not be
interfering in the operation of the International Court of Justice, but would
be fulfilling an American obligation by so doing. This is, because it was the
Paris Peace Treaty which set the border between Czechoslovakia and Hungary
and it was that  Treaty which named the Great Powers as the guarantors of the
integrity of the two nation's territories. The Treaty also stated that the
two nations DO NOT have the right to make changes, unless the Great Powers
first approve of the change. Yet in 1977, under Soviet direction, the two
nations signed a contract to move the Danube, previously their border river,
into an artificial canal on Slovak territory. For so doing, they did not ask,
 nor did they receive the approval of the Great Powers.

Madame Secretary. The International Court of Justice must be advised that the
Moscow initiated 1977 Contract was and is INHERENTLY INVALID, because it is
in conflict with the Paris Peace Treaty. It is both the legal obligation and
the moral duty of the United States to fulfill her role as a guarantor of the
Paris Peace Treaty. Even more importantly, it is in the interest of the
United States to make sure that the Danube is returned into its riverbed and
thereby the stability of the region is maintained. 

Madame Secretary, a single statement from you will resolve this issue. Please
make that statement.

Respectfully yours, 

Your name, address, title
+ - Re: US & Canadian Health Cares (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 11:29 AM 3/8/97 -0500, Eva Balogh wrote:

>At 09:31 AM 3/8/97 -0500, Joe Szalai, true to form,

Oh, thank you for the compliment.

<snip>
>        Entirely wrong. I am a vocal critic of the American system and I
>wanted the Clinton reform four years ago to suceed very badly. But it was
>torpedoes by the insurance companies and doctors. Unfortunately I am coming
>to the conclusion that there is no such thing as a really good system.

Nonsense!  Where's your fighting spirit?  Just because Clinton's health care
reform was jettisoned by the insurance companies and doctors is no reason to
acquiesce and accept the status quo.  Unless, of course, you secretly wanted
that to happen because that would allow you to feel to be a liberal while
remaining a fiscal conservative.

>        I friend of mine who is a dentist in Germany tells me that the
>German system is very good and reasonably cost effective. I will ask her to
>outline the system to me, because I am afraid that the British/Canadian
>system *in the long run* doesn't offer optimum health care. (It is still too
>early about the Canadian system but the British system which has been in
>effect for a long time is on its last leg.)

What's this *in the long run* stuff about?  You and I aren't going to live
*in the long run*, but that doesn't mean we don't want a good life while
we're here.  And that's how I feel about health care.  Surely, as a species
we're not so stupid that we can't provide the basics for one another.

>        In any case, the Hungarian system is unbelievable bad. It is enough
>to look at the statistics. Most people who are by now old enough to be
>pensioners and who live in Canada or in the United States would like to
>retire in Hungary, except the health care. Just when you need it most.

Yes, and that's a shame.

Things may change if, and when, Hungary joins the European Union.
Inadequate national health care systems may not be acceptable as Europe
evolves.  An inadequate system would mean less mobility within the Union and
that would undermine one of the reasons for having a Union in the first
place.  There's a price to belonging to NATO and the EU.

And, by the way, I just couldn't resist Trotsky's quote.  Was that man ahead
of his time or what?

Joe Szalai

The Federated Republic of Europe-the United States of Europe-that is what
must be. National autonomy no longer suffices. Economic evolution demands
the abolition of national frontiers. If Europe is to remain split into
national groups, then Imperialism will recommence its work. Only a Federated
Republic of Europe can give peace to the world.
           Leon Trotsky
+ - Re: US & Canadian Health Cares (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Denes writes:
>I am from Australia so I am not familiar with the payment systems in the
USA but are the figures you quote on a fortnightly, monthly or annual basis.

Sorry for not giving the payperiod. It was for two weeks.

>I have recently retired but here the health system is partly financed by a
1.5% levy on income tax and partly by private insurance. I am paying private
hospital insurance for myself and family and it is around $A 110 per
fortnight, depending on the insurer.

That sounds reasonable. I consider that I already pay enough income tax to
cover the health care costs also. Instead of adding new taxes the government
should learn to live on less and use the savings to assist those in real
need, but not everyone.

An interesting example in yesterday's paper here. A woman who is member of
the schoolboard and have run in the past for various political offices is
getting paid full and permanent workers disability payments. Guess for what.
"mental stress" from a  job that she had something like 30 years ago. No
thank you for that type of social security umbrella.

Forty years ago, there was no state income tax here, gasoline taxes were
half of what we have now, there was no sales tax and the general well being
of the population was
the same or better, and interstates were being built. No we have myriads
more government employees and have difficulty maintaining the roads. Paying
for government employees is no different than paying for welfare, they do
not contribute to the GDP whatsoever. All one needs to do is make a shift
from increased number of government workers to paying for welfare for those
who really deserve it. The rest can be and should be gainfully employed.

Regards,Jeliko
+ - Wine makers, legal and illegal (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I just read an article in HVG, the leading economic weekly of
Hungary, about the farmers' protest and specifically about the wine-growers
in Hungary. According to the Central Statistical Office approximately 3,5
million hectoliter of wine/year is being produced in Hungary. At the same
time, they sell/consume approximately 4,5 million hectoliter. Where do you
think the 1 million hectoliter is coming from?

        Eva Balogh
+ - Re: US & Canadian Health Cares (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 12:30 PM 3/9/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Denes writes:
>>I am from Australia so I am not familiar with the payment systems in the
>USA but are the figures you quote on a fortnightly, monthly or annual basis.
>
>Sorry for not giving the payperiod. It was for two weeks.
>
>>I have recently retired but here the health system is partly financed by a
>1.5% levy on income tax and partly by private insurance. I am paying private
>hospital insurance for myself and family and it is around $A 110 per
>fortnight, depending on the insurer.
>
>That sounds reasonable. I consider that I already pay enough income tax to
>cover the health care costs also. Instead of adding new taxes the government
>should learn to live on less and use the savings to assist those in real
>need, but not everyone.
>
>An interesting example in yesterday's paper here. A woman who is member of
>the schoolboard and have run in the past for various political offices is
>getting paid full and permanent workers disability payments. Guess for what.
>"mental stress" from a  job that she had something like 30 years ago. No
>thank you for that type of social security umbrella.
>
>Forty years ago, there was no state income tax here, gasoline taxes were
>half of what we have now, there was no sales tax and the general well being
>of the population was
>the same or better, and interstates were being built. No we have myriads
>more government employees and have difficulty maintaining the roads. Paying
>for government employees is no different than paying for welfare, they do
>not contribute to the GDP whatsoever. All one needs to do is make a shift
>from increased number of government workers to paying for welfare for those
>who really deserve it. The rest can be and should be gainfully employed.
>
>Regards,Jeliko
>
>Jeliko:the first step should be to abolish the Presidency amd become a
parlamentarie system the British way.Then you couldn't collect all those
"donations"for the 2 parties,who are realy interrested on there own behalf.
Who cares about the people,we just say nice things,and when elected,just
have a cushi job.
OK,it is a joke:Andy.
+ - Kossuth in N.America (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Approaching March 15, we would like to announce our recently activated
webpage dedicated to Kossuth's visit in the New World and his ensuing legacy.
 URL :   http://mineral.umd.edu/hungary/kossuth/

Our objectives: 1. Preserve the slowly fading history of his visit, the deep
impressions Kossuth created 2. Aimed at the public, we particularly like to
reach the second/third generation Hungarian- Americans, -Canadians and show
them that, while Kossuth was a leading figure of Hungarian history, he is
part of American history as well 3. Bring to attention the numerous
memorials, (statues, plaques, geographic designation) that still carry his
name in N.America and encourage their preservation. (Example: the New York
statue's current renovation project.) 4. Use the latest technology to
deliver the entire "Kossuth message" : including graphics, sound. 5. Point
to additional material (e.g. bibliography) for those who wish to go beyond
the limitations of the webpage

The page is still under development- perhaps always will be. We have much
more material to edit and expect (and hope) to get even more from many of
you. A memorable March 15 1997 to all.

I would like to thank partners Andras Szeitz and Gotthard Saghi-Szabo for
their dedicated and competent participation, as well as  those who have
supported us with material and their encouragement   Andy.
A.J. Vadasz
5743 Pignut Mtn. Dr.
Warrenton VA 20187
USA T:540 349 1408

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