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1 Re: Kertesz and Borsszem Janko (mind)  31 sor     (cikkei)
2 Re: Learning languages.... (mind)  40 sor     (cikkei)
3 Re: New area - Canada and Us from ESB (mind)  31 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: Learning languages.... (mind)  45 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: Learning languages.... (mind)  28 sor     (cikkei)
6 Re: Learning languages.... (mind)  43 sor     (cikkei)
7 Re: Learning languages.... (mind)  20 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: New area - Canada and Us from ESB (mind)  15 sor     (cikkei)
9 Re: Learning languages.... (mind)  45 sor     (cikkei)
10 Re: Perceived difficulty and Learning languages.... (mind)  6 sor     (cikkei)
11 Re: NOMAIL (mind)  13 sor     (cikkei)
12 Re: Babylon 5 (mind)  16 sor     (cikkei)
13 Re: Learning languages.... (mind)  22 sor     (cikkei)
14 The meeting of President Goncz with the Pope (mind)  15 sor     (cikkei)
15 Re: Learning languages.... (mind)  189 sor     (cikkei)
16 Re: Learning languages.... (mind)  23 sor     (cikkei)
17 HL-Action: write President of ICJ (mind)  82 sor     (cikkei)
18 Re: Babylon 5 (mind)  23 sor     (cikkei)
19 Kossuth monument (mind)  13 sor     (cikkei)
20 Kossuth monument (mind)  13 sor     (cikkei)
21 Film: Personal Belongings (mind)  60 sor     (cikkei)
22 Back to history (mind)  35 sor     (cikkei)
23 Re: Learning languages.... (mind)  26 sor     (cikkei)
24 Re: Learning languages.... (mind)  27 sor     (cikkei)
25 Re: Learning languages.... (mind)  63 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: Kertesz and Borsszem Janko (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Elizabeth Gulacsy wrote:
>
> I would like to know if anybody on the list could help me with some
> data:
> Andre Kertesz, the photographer.  The name of his father appears in
> two different spellings:  Lipot and Lipolt.  I assume Lipot is the
> correct form (for Leopold).
> Borsszem Janko.  Name of a satirical journal or magazine.  How would
> you translate this into English.  I suggested Jack Pea to the
> researcher but she was not convinced.  Also, does anybody know the
> years the magazine was published?
> Thank you.
> Elizabeth
>
> 

In the 1950's `my great-grandfather's sister died and we brought over
from her house a series of boxes containing magazines and other stuff.
Most of them were Borsszem Janko's, where her favorite writer/poet,
Kozma Andor wrote.  As far as I recall, most of the magazines were from
the turn of the century, like 1903 to 1910.  But this is just a vague
memory, so don't go by it.  One thing that stands out in my mind that a
Hungarian delicacies company advertised in it, Paprikas Weiss.  I was
surprised when I came to NY to find a company by that name here.  It was
the same....


regards,


Charlie Vamossy
+ - Re: Learning languages.... (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 10:50 AM 4/23/97 +0200, you wrote:
>Andrew J. Rozsa wrote:
>>
>> At 08:22 PM 4/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>> >At 09:21 AM 4/21/97 -0400, Joe Szalai wrote, remarking on Gabor Fencsik's
>> >writing:
>> >
>> >>You forgot to mention many Hungarian's penchant for reminding everyone of
>> >>Hungary's small size, as if the size of a country has anyting to do with
>> >>anything.  I have no doubt that it's an attempt to make success stories
>> >>seem even more successful.
>> >
>> >        Oh, yes, that's a good point. "Kis orszag vagyunk!" That's a
>> >favorite. It also has something to do with self-pity, I think. ESB
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I think that it is not self-pity, but rather a terrible need to reduce the
>> same
>> cognitive dissonance we talked about earlier.
>>
>> As far "as if the size of the country has anything to do with it" (Joe's
>> words)
>> I am REALLY impressed by WORLD accomplishments of Hungarians
>> DESPITE the size of our country of origin. I will reiterate the gist of an
>> earlier
>> post of mine (somewhere): PER CAPITA, there is no country on Earth
>> that can compare with Hungary's contribution to the world of science, art,
>> music, etc....
>>
>> I really do wish y'all spent some time on HipCat's HomePage.
>>
>>     http://mason.gmu.edu/~achassel/famous.html
>>
>> Bandi
>A new rassistic attempt? ;-)))
>Miklos
>

But of course. That's me allright....rassistic...
+ - Re: New area - Canada and Us from ESB (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 09:51 AM 4/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
>On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Miklos K. Hoffmann wrote:
>
>> Darren Purcell wrote:
>> >
>> > Isn't all territory and ethnic construction just a artificial construct?
>> > As they gain strength, I would not consider them so malleable. I think
>> > that border is fixed and won't change to soon. Quebec is another story.
>> >
>> But wouldn4t that let geography boom?!
>> Miklos Hoffmann
>>
>
>Milkos, we still don't have enough accurate maps from the breakup of old
>USSR or Yugoslavia. Cartographers and geographers will be employed for a
>good while without haveing to revise Canada :-)
>
>Seriously though, Identities as they form are want to ossify. they become
>hard structures and tend to change slowly (glacially). English Canada may
>have an identity crisis, but I am nto convinced that every American sees
>them as AMerica north. In florida, they are catered to quite nicely and
>still differentiaated from locals.
>
> Let the debate continue.
>
>Darren

Yeah, snowbirds. I always thought that was a bit derogatory, but I could
be wrong. :-)

Bandi
+ - Re: Learning languages.... (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 08:35 PM 4/23/97 +0200, you wrote:
>Andrew J. Rozsa wrote:
>>
>> In view of the overwhelming evidence against my earlier hypothesis, I now
>> officially
>> declare Hungarian an easy language to learn.

>
>I am still waiting for the phone+fax number + address : I presented
>immediately the waiter in Hajduszoboszlo. You may check it, it4s just
>off Rt. 4.

I am on the Net. :-) Honest.


>Paprikascsirke would be fine. It NEED not be a Szuerkebarat. A light
>dry white Ontario vine could go perfectly with that. ( With the On-
>tario wine I LOST a bet in Cargary to a waiter : he proposed the wine.
>I said, I think there was no drinkable Canadian wine ( I tried wine in
>Upstate NY before ( however not from the Ontario Region ) and thought,
>the Canadian one couldn4t possibly be less frustrating ). He said, try
>it. If you don4t like it, it4s on the house. If you like it, you will
>know the proper tip. I knew it.

Sorry, when it comes to wines I am an inveterate chauvinist: gimme
a Hungarin wine or drink it yourself.


>>
>> As far as how this discussion has gone... I am DELIGHTED with the response.
>> We
>> are becoming a VERY pleasant little community here, aren't we?
>>
>Thank you, Sir. Very kind of you indeed, Sir.
>( You enjoyed your mood, didn4t you, To"vis? )
>
>:-) :-)
>Miklos

This the best way I know to "mulatni" without ingesting alcohol.
Don't you agree?

Note the sneaky Hungarian content.

Bandi (to"visel)
+ - Re: Learning languages.... (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Andrew J. Rozsa wrote:
> >
> >I am still waiting for the phone+fax number + address : I presented
> >immediately the waiter in Hajduszoboszlo. You may check it, it4s just
> >off Rt. 4.
>
> I am on the Net. :-) Honest.
>
>
> Sorry, when it comes to wines I am an inveterate chauvinist: gimme
> a Hungarin wine or drink it yourself.
>
I must remind you of the enlightening discussion about
renitent farmers not following the lead of the Genius of
the Carpatian Basin and making fake wine. After that dis-
cussion, you can4t possibly touch Hungarian wine! ;-(


> >Thank you, Sir. Very kind of you indeed, Sir.
> >( You enjoyed your mood, didn4t you, To"vis? )
> >
> >:-) :-)
>
> This the best way I know to "mulatni" without ingesting alcohol.
> Don't you agree?
>
I always hate to admit, though...
Miklos
+ - Re: Learning languages.... (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Joe Szalai wrote:
>
> <snip>

> You got that right!  And women in Hungary would benefit from our
> "un-Hungarian" practice, too.  Putting a woman on a pedestal and treating
> her like a lady is a manipulative practice.  And why do men do it?  It
> seems obvious to me.  Treat a woman as a 'lady' and you can expect her to
> do more, for less.  I think it's as simple at that.  It's exploitation of
> half the race.  But it's exploitation with a kind, caring, gentlemanly,
> male face.  Thanks, but no thanks.  I'll gladly remain un-Hungarian on this
> one.

You sound like a green German lady teacher!

> <snip>
> >>Her gender is revelant only if she is being discriminated against
> >>because of it.
> >
> >I am not going to comment on this.
>
> You're doing your darndest to avoid a discussion of feminism,

You sound quite out of date, don4t you?

 aren't you?
> Are you afraid that some parochial attitudes might emerge?
>

I am happily married with such a discussion - discussion? debate! -
for 34 years. I am not sure I would need that on the list...

> <snip>
> >> Therefore, I'll remind anyone of earlier
> >> comments they've made if it helps, or clarifies, my arguments.
> >>
> >How crude...
>
> It's not crude.  Perhaps Machiavellian.
>
You might overestimate your strategy. I think it would be Machiavellian
if you wouldn4t remind them...
;-)MKH
+ - Re: Learning languages.... (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

E.S. Balogh wrote:
>
> At 08:35 PM 4/23/97 +0200, Miklos Hoffmann wrote:
> >A light
> >dry white Ontario vine could go perfectly with that. ( With the On-
> >tario wine I LOST a bet in Cargary to a waiter : he proposed the wine.
> >I said, I think there was no drinkable Canadian wine ( I tried wine in
> >Upstate NY before ( however not from the Ontario Region ) and thought,
> >the Canadian one couldn4t possibly be less frustrating ). He said, try
> >it. If you don4t like it, it4s on the house. If you like it, you will
> >know the proper tip. I knew it.
>
>         You mean you liked it? Oh, my God! I remember those lovely bottles
> of red wines, sold only in special wine stores in Ontario, costing $1.00. At
> parties in the first few years, the poor Hungarian refugees gozzled it and
> got sick on it.
>         ESB
Well, this is how that Upstate wine "felt". The Canadian was
good and I am picky.
MKH
+ - Re: New area - Canada and Us from ESB (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

E.S. Balogh wrote:
>
> At 10:34 PM 4/23/97 +0200, Miklos Hoffmann wrote:
>
> >Compared with that flood of Germans, they must be like
> >natives...;-)
>
>         Not quite, if they are French Canadians. I hear interesting stories
> about them from prejudiced Americans wintering in Florida. ESB

You should have emphathy with French Canadians. I was told by French,
they don4t understand their language, either. Then those anglo-saxons
without understanding, handling them as aliens...It4s a tough predi-
cament.
MKH
+ - Re: Learning languages.... (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Andrew J. Rozsa wrote:
>
> At 10:50 AM 4/23/97 +0200, you wrote:
> >Andrew J. Rozsa wrote:
> >>
> >> At 08:22 PM 4/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >> >At 09:21 AM 4/21/97 -0400, Joe Szalai wrote, remarking on Gabor Fencsik's
> >> >writing:
> >> >
> >> >>You forgot to mention many Hungarian's penchant for reminding everyone o
f
> >> >>Hungary's small size, as if the size of a country has anyting to do with
> >> >>anything.  I have no doubt that it's an attempt to make success stories
> >> >>seem even more successful.
> >> >
> >> >        Oh, yes, that's a good point. "Kis orszag vagyunk!" That's a
> >> >favorite. It also has something to do with self-pity, I think. ESB
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> I think that it is not self-pity, but rather a terrible need to reduce the
> >> same
> >> cognitive dissonance we talked about earlier.
> >>
> >> As far "as if the size of the country has anything to do with it" (Joe's
> >> words)
> >> I am REALLY impressed by WORLD accomplishments of Hungarians
> >> DESPITE the size of our country of origin. I will reiterate the gist of an
> >> earlier
> >> post of mine (somewhere): PER CAPITA, there is no country on Earth
> >> that can compare with Hungary's contribution to the world of science, art,
> >> music, etc....
> >>
> >> I really do wish y'all spent some time on HipCat's HomePage.
> >>
> >>     http://mason.gmu.edu/~achassel/famous.html
> >>
> >> Bandi
> >A new rassistic attempt? ;-)))
> >Miklos
> >
>
> But of course. That's me allright....rassistic...

My guts told me all the time...
+ - Re: Perceived difficulty and Learning languages.... (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Based on how difficult it was to teach, I would guess English is very
difficult to learn.  To speak English well is almost impossible, about
like trying to explain baseball to a German.  The words are there, but
they make no sense.

Kristof
+ - Re: NOMAIL (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On Wed, 23 Apr 1997, Peter A. Soltesz wrote:

> subscibe NOMAIL 

 Er, that would be 'set HUNGARY nomail', and is to be sent to
 (as every command needs to go to the listserv and
not the list itself)!

--
 Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq >
Please note that the above is my new preferred address!
 My primary FAQ archive is presently at <ftp://ftp.alt.net/hungarian/>
       * I WILL NEVER, EVER, BUY SPAMVERTISED PRODUCTS! *
+ - Re: Babylon 5 (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 01:42 PM 4/23/97 -0400, Janos Zsargo wrote:

>J.Szalai wrote:
>
>>I take it you don't like the idea of "world government".  Why not?
>
>Wrong, again. The question is not whether I like it or not, but if
>it feasible or not. Given the present state of the world this idea
>is not more than sci-fi.

Are you saying that it won't happen until it's not needed?  If you're
saying that, then it won't happen.  Waiting for universal peace, love, and
happiness to happen is more sci-fi than wanting, or favouring, a world
government.

Joe Szalai
+ - Re: Learning languages.... (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 09:10 AM 4/24/97 +0200, Miklos Hoffmann wrote:

<snip>
>You sound like a green German lady teacher!

Gee, I hope I'm properly dressed for the part.

<snip>
>> You're doing your darndest to avoid a discussion of feminism,
>
>You sound quite out of date, don4t you?

Out of date?  Do you mean the 'war of the sexes' is over?  Do I need to ask
who won?

<snip>
>I am happily married with such a discussion - discussion? debate! -
>for 34 years. I am not sure I would need that on the list...

Well, with 34 years behind you, maybe you could share some of your insights.

Joe Szalai
+ - The meeting of President Goncz with the Pope (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Dear Colleagues,

If you do decide to write to President Goncz, asking him to bring up the
issue of Hungarian Masses for the csangos, please also consider asking for
the appointment of a Hungarian bishop in Slovakia. The reason is detailed in
Hungarian (thanks to Andy Vadasz's excellent study):

 ...a papoknak tobb mint fele 60 even felul van...tiz even
belul a magyar papok letszama 50%-al csokkenhet. ...egyre tobb magyar
plebania marad uresen utanpotlas hianyaban.. A Jopasztor Alapitvany..a hivok
igenyet felkarolva es az MKDM ..1990 ben levelet juttatott el II Janos Pal
papahoz, amelyben magyar puspok kinevezeset kerik...A szlovak egyhazi
vezetok ellenallasa miatt, mindezideig eredmenytelenul.

Best regards: Bela Liptak
+ - Re: Learning languages.... (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 09:20 AM 4/24/97 +0200, you wrote:
>Andrew J. Rozsa wrote:
>> >
>> >I am still waiting for the phone+fax number + address : I presented
>> >immediately the waiter in Hajduszoboszlo. You may check it, it4s just
>> >off Rt. 4.
>>
>> I am on the Net. :-) Honest.
>>
>>
>> Sorry, when it comes to wines I am an inveterate chauvinist: gimme
>> a Hungarin wine or drink it yourself.
>>
>I must remind you of the enlightening discussion about
>renitent farmers not following the lead of the Genius of
>the Carpatian Basin and making fake wine. After that dis-
>cussion, you can4t possibly touch Hungarian wine! ;-(
>
>
>> >Thank you, Sir. Very kind of you indeed, Sir.
>> >( You enjoyed your mood, didn4t you, To"vis? )
>> >
>> >:-) :-)
>>
>> This the best way I know to "mulatni" without ingesting alcohol.
>> Don't you agree?
>>
>I always hate to admit, though...
>Miklos

BTW, quite seriously (since you and me seem to be kidding a lot)
IF you ever are in the States you do have a standing invitation for
a visit to one of about 6 Hungarian families in Alabama. Dinner and
overnight housing included, of course. BTW, we have some of the 
most beautiful beaches in the World no more than a 4-hour drive from
here. The water in the Gulf (of Mexico) easily reaches 30 deg. Celsius
in the summer. :-)

The reason I said "before 1989" when referring to the wine I have in my
collection is precisely because of Eva's experiences with the "new
vintners." There appear to be a new brood of classy wine producers
that have some impressive offerings.

Here is an example:
> ==================================================
   http://www.isys.hu/wine/wine_e.html

               Welcome to La Boutique des Vins !

          iSYS Hungary and La Boutique des Vins have partnered to make a wide
              selection of fine Hungarian wines available over the Internet to
                         connoisseurs around the world. 

                         About La Boutique des Vins
                           Selection of the Week
                             The Sommelier Series
                             Vintage Tokaji Wines
                             Hungarian Wineries
                        Sparkling Wine and Champagne
                                    Port
 

        The Sommelier Series is La Boutique des Vins' own label for wines
        developed from the vineyard to the bottle by Csaba Malatinszky.
Csaba's
        goal is to make the best possible wine for La Boutique customers by
        working with different wineries on all aspects of vineyard
production and
        winemaking. For example, grapeyields are cut back to concentrate
flavor,
        and fermentation is longer on the skins for higher extract and
color. Csaba
        also blends the wine personally and has invested in small Hungarian
oak
        barrels (barriques) to add further complexity to his wines. 

        1994 Rosé
        Using the traditional French Rosé method, kékfrankos and merlot grapes
        were fermented for a short time on their skins for color and
extract. A hint of
        raspberry on the nose and palate combined with lively acidity make
this an
        excellent summer wine. Serve chilled with light dishes. Made with
Villány
        vintner Béla Pinter who studies wine making in Bordeaux, France.
$3.50 

        1994 Siller
        Siller is a lighter style of red wine introduced to Villány by the
German
        Schwabs who settled in the region years ago. This lively siller is
a blend of
        merlot, kékfrankos and kékportó grapes. It has a darker color than
a rosé,
        with a bright raspberry fruit on the nose and a richer palate. It
is ideal for
        summer when served slightly chilled with light dishes. Made with
Béla Pinter.
        $3.50 

        1992 Le Sommelier Merlot
        The merlot grape thrives in the calcareous soil of the Villány
region and
        does particularly well on József Bock's south facing slopes from
which this
        100% merlot was made. It has attractive red fruit notes, a hint of
vanilla
        from small oak barrel aging and a supple finish. Delicious with
grilled breast
        of squab or duck. Only 4,000 bottles were made. $7.50 

        1994 Le Sommelier Pinot Noir
        A Hungarian Burgundy made with Balázs Neuperger, the third (and
        youngest at age 27) winemaker to take part in the Sommelier Series.
Mr.
        Neuperger has excellently placed southwest facing vineyards in Villány
        producing a full-bodied wine with an appealing pinot nose and good
        structure. Ideal with duck breast. Available from the end of May.
$4.90 

        1992 Le Sommelier Cuvée (label)
        An award winning blend of 60% cabernet sauvignon and 40% merlot with
        aging in small oak barrels for added complexity. Cassis and
blackberry on
        the nose, and generous red fruit flavors on the palate finish
smooth and
        well-balanced. Excellent with beef fillet in a wild mushroom sauce.
4,000
        bottles were made with József Bock. $7.50 
> ================================================================
But also see the prices of some REAL classics:
> ================================================================-

                   Aszuessencia
1915                                                   $830.00
                   Aszuessencia
1920                                                   $785.00
                   Aszuessencia
1937                                                   $730.00
                   Aszuessencia
1940                                                   $692.00
                   Aszuessencia
1942                                                   $677.00
                   Aszuessencia
1947                                                   $638.00
                   Aszuessencia
1957                                                   $270.00
                   Aszuessencia
1959                                                   $246.00
                   Aszuessencia
1963                                                   $223.00
                   Aszuessencia
1972                                                   $192.00
                   Essencia
     1947                                                   $760.00

           Find out more about iSYS Hungary at , or call
(36-1) 266-6090.
                  Send comments about this site to 
                  Copyright © 1995 iSYS International. All Rights Reserved.
> ==================================================================
The killer is the shipping (outrageous!):
> ==================================================================

For sample shipping and handling costs, please see the table
        below: 

                                                3 bottles
          6 bottles                                             12 bottles
North America                    $125.00
$155.00                                                $195.00
Europe                                   $95.00
    $110.00                                                $135.00
Japan                                   $135.00
    $180.00                                                $225.00

> =============================================================================

Would be interested in anyone's experiences with either these folks or similar
"new" wine producers.

You, my friend, if your are my guest, will have to be satisfied with the
cheap stuff
(Egri Bikaver, Leanyka, Debroi Harslevelu) that I get for about $6 from some
Chicago outfit.

Cheers,

Bandi
+ - Re: Learning languages.... (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 09:11 AM 4/24/97 +0200, you wrote:

>> >A new rassistic attempt? ;-)))
>> >Miklos
>> >
>>
>> But of course. That's me allright....rassistic...
>
>My guts told me all the time...

However, I differentiate between being prejudiced (which I am) and
a racist (which I am not). OTOH, my prejudice is against stupidity
and lack of manners. It must be a Transylvanian elitist kind of
attitude. What do you think? Look into your heart.... close your
eyes...visualize...good.... now slowly.... slowly.... gently, say after me:
"I agree with Bandi.... the man makes sense... I feel the same way..."

Now doesn't that make you feel better. Just saved you a bunch of
money that otherwise you would have had to pay a psychotherapist.

Am I a friend, or what?

Bandi
+ - HL-Action: write President of ICJ (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

****************** CALL FOR ACTION ****************

Priority:
   normal

Background:
  Hungary's position in the Danube lawsuit at the International Court
of Justice in The Hague is very promising. However, even if the court
rules in favour for the environment it is possible that the Slovak
government does not accept the sentence.
  It would be useful if the World Court threatens with UN sanctions in
case of non-compliance, since this would force Slovakia to respect the
decision of the court.

What to do:
  Please ask the president of the International Court of Justice, Mr.
Schwebel, to incude a recommendation for United Nations sanctions in
case of non-compliance. Feel free to use the attached form letter.
Note that Schwebel will only take notice if he receives numerous
letters.
  Unfortunately we do not have the e-mail address. Please
do not hesitate to send him a fax or a snail mail.  PLEASE
ACT!! ASK YOUR FRIENDS TO JOIN YOUR REQUEST!!
  Fax number:  ++31-70-3649-928

*************************************************************

<date>

The Honorable Stephen Schwebel
President of the International Court of Justice
Carnegieplein 2, 2517 KJ,
Den Haag
The Netherlands
(FAX:  011-31-70-3649-928)

RE:  First Environmental Lawsuit (Danube) in The Hague

Dear Mr. President:

Congratulations on your well-deserved appointment as the new
President of the International Court of Justice.  During your tenure
you will set new precedents in many areas of international law,
including the much neglected area of international protection for the
environment.

This year, for the first time in history, your Court will decide on an
environmental lawsuit concerning the Danube. The precedent you set
will affect all humankind.  In ruling on the dispute between Hungary
and Slovakia, you and your fellow judges can establish that rivers,
forests, and oceans are not the sole properties of nations, and that
national governments do not have the right to destroy the planet's
unique ecosystems, even if these natural treasures are within their
borders..

Mr. President. Your Court has already set a precedent, when it
accepted the Memorial of the international NGOs. You have established
a second precedent by visiting the Danube wetlands during the first
week of April. You have seen that the ecosystem of the Szigetkoz is
dying due to the loss of groundwater, caused by the rerouting of the
Danube. This region used to supply the Danube with the oxygen needed
to digest the organic wastes. Now the "lung" of the river has been cut
out and the dammed up river has been turned into an open sewer.
Shipping has suffered because of flimsy construction and because the
dam can not handle ice. In addition, half of the populations of
Dobrohost, Vojka, and Bodiky have already fled because of their
isolation and because the physical danger they face.

Dear Mr. President. You are fully aware of the above and it is
certainly not our intention to belabor the obvious or to try to
influence your decision. What we are concerned about is not the
ruling you will make, but the enforcement of that ruling. If in the
fall you rule that the Danube must be returned into its natural
riverbed, that ruling might not be carried out, if not backed by
sanctions. Therefore, Mr. President, we would respectfully suggest
that you consider setting yet an other precedent by including in your
ruling a recommendation for United Nations sanctions in case of
non-compliance.

Respectfully,

<Your name, title and address>
+ - Re: Babylon 5 (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Joe Szalai wrote:
>
> At 01:42 PM 4/23/97 -0400, Janos Zsargo wrote:
>
> >J.Szalai wrote:
> >
> >>I take it you don't like the idea of "world government".  Why not?
> >
> >Wrong, again. The question is not whether I like it or not, but if
> >it feasible or not. Given the present state of the world this idea
> >is not more than sci-fi.
>
> Are you saying that it won't happen until it's not needed?  If you're
> saying that, then it won't happen.

I don4t think so. I mean, it4s already needed. I am aware, that
the collective opinion in some developed countries surpresses
the knowledge of it, but it appears impossible to stop a dynamic
runaway ecologic catastrophy without some kind of a world govmnt.
In this respect ( environmental issues ) the role of the US govern-
ment ( e.g. in Rio ) was more than sad.

MKH
+ - Kossuth monument (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

As of April 22 the contributions for renovation of the New York Riverside
Drive statue and plaza stood at $17700, plus 100% matching funds, or $35500
total. This is 70.8% of the goal. Please be reminded that the matching fund
offer expires April 30, so make your contribution count: send donations to
Riverside Drive Fund, Kossuth Project, 475 Riverside Drive  New York NY
10115.  For project particulars see our website:
http://mineral.umd.edu/hungary/kossuth/

Andy.
A.J. Vadasz
5743 Pignut Mtn. Dr.
Warrenton VA 20187
USA T:540 349 1408
+ - Kossuth monument (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

As of April 22 the contributions for renovation of the New York Riverside
Drive statue and plaza stood at $17700, plus 100% matching funds, or $35500
total. This is 70.8% of the goal. Please be reminded that the matching fund
offer expires April 30, so make your contribution count: send donations to
Riverside Drive Fund, Kossuth Project, 475 Riverside Drive  New York NY
10115.  For project particulars see our website:
http://mineral.umd.edu/hungary/kossuth/

Andy.
A.J. Vadasz
5743 Pignut Mtn. Dr.
Warrenton VA 20187
USA T:540 349 1408
+ - Film: Personal Belongings (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I'm forwarding a press release about a film showing this weekend and would be
curious to hear any reviews from anyone who has seen the film.


--


                            Portland Art Museum
                           Northwest Film Center


                         Personal Belongings (1996)
                    with Director Steven Bognar in person


                    Portland Premieres - Visiting Artist
The Northwest Film Center welcomes Steven Bognar to premiere his film "Personal
Belongings" on Sunday, April 27 at 7 p.m. Few of us can claim to have parents
who were revolutionaries, so when Steven Bognar, living a typical Middle
American childhood in a suburban home, discovered his father Bela fought in the
1956 Hungarian Revolution, it became a badge of honor - and a subject for yearl
y
school reports. Now some forty years later, drawing upon a wealth of home
movies and archival historical footage and interviews, the younger Bognar has
woven an extraordinary memoir on the nature of family, father-son relationships
and the divide between the immigrant and the first-generation experience in
"Personal Belongings".

Following Bela at home, in his garden, as he returns to Hungary for the 30th
anniversary of the war with friends and family, this complex portrait of a man
reveals the public and very private reverberations of that revolution. Moving
between deadpan irony and utterly honest emotion, Bognar's award winning film,
featured at the Sundance film festival, takes its on a revelatory excursion
across a transcontinental map of the human heart. (63 mins.)

Admission: $6 general, $5 Portland Art Museum members, seniors and students


                            Sunday - 7:00 PM
                             April 27, 1997
                          Northwest Film Center
                          1219 S.W. Park Avenue
                          Portland, Oregon 97205
                 For more information call (503) 221-1156



Sundance Film Festival                      World Premiere
Ann Arbor Film Festival                     Best First Film
Atlanta Film Festival                       Audience Award - Best Film
Black Maria Film Festival                   Director's Choice Award
Charlotte Film & Video Festival             Best of Festival
CineQuest - San Jose Film Festival          Best Documentary
San Francisco International Film Festival   Golden Gate Award
Sinking Creek Film Festival
South by Southwest Film Festival


--
Kovacs Istvan                                I yam wot I yam!
+ - Back to history (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

To Janos Zsargo:

        Janos, do you remember that at one point we had a discussion about
whether a prospective university student had to take an entrance exams or
not between the two world wars in Hungary. I suspected that he/she didn't.
It seems that I was right.
        A couple of days ago I received two earlier issues of *Rubicon,"
which is a popular historical monthly. (It is nice to have such new friends,
whom I haven't yet laid eyes on but who are so nice as to send me books and
magazines from Hungary simply because they think that I might be interested
in them! It is especially nice that this particular gift came from someone
who sees the world rather differently from me!) Well, in any case, *Rubicon*
is certainly worth subscribing to. It costs about nine dollars a year +
shipping and the issues I looked at contained interesting, valuable,
well-balanced articles on given topics. The January issue of this year dealt
with "Conservatism and Revision in the Horthy Regime." Thirteen articles,
dealing with different aspects of this topic, were interesting and of high
quality. An earlier issue, which my friend thought that I would also be
interested in, concentrated on "Hungary in World War II: Soldiers and
Politicians." I haven't read these  articles yet but I assume that they are
also of high quality because the editorial staff include some very
respectable names in Hungarian historiography.
        I am also sure that you would do a good deed if you decided to
subscribe because there seems to be a frantic attempt at getting more
subscriptions by offering advantageous rates plus some older issues as
bonus. I just wish that more people would read these magazines. Then perhaps
we wouldn't have so many misinformed people about our past. By the way, I
certainly will subscribe and urge everybody who can read Hungarian to follow
my *sterling* (;)) example. You can do that by either writing to Rubicon,
1135 Budapest, Szent Laszlo ut 46, fszt. 13 or by faxing or telephoning them
at 36+1+403-5477.
        But to return to the entrance exams. I happened to pick up that
piece of information from an article by Zoltan Varannai the numerus clauses
of all topics!! By the way, it was very informative.
        Eva Balogh
+ - Re: Learning languages.... (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Andrew J. Rozsa wrote:

> >> But of course. That's me allright....rassistic...
> >
> >My guts told me all the time...
>
> However, I differentiate between being prejudiced (which I am) and
> a racist (which I am not).

Yes, the symptom fits.

OTOH, my prejudice is against stupidity
> and lack of manners. It must be a Transylvanian elitist kind of
> attitude. What do you think? Look into your heart.... close your
> eyes...visualize...good.... now slowly.... slowly.... gently, say after me:
> "I agree with Bandi.... the man makes sense... I feel the same way..."
> Now doesn't that make you feel better. Just saved you a bunch of
> money that otherwise you would have had to pay a psychotherapist.
> Am I a friend, or what?
>
Sure. I am going to change my Mantra. But be carefull! I am reading
this in Germany. So you are treating me on German territory without
an appropriate license! They might indict you. It need not be porno-
graphy. Terrorism, or even worse, not having licenses do suffice. How
many just people suffered for being kind in this world!
Miklss
+ - Re: Learning languages.... (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Joe Szalai wrote:
>
>
> <snip>
> >You sound like a green German lady teacher!
>
> Gee, I hope I'm properly dressed for the part.

As long as you look funny - and why shouldn4t you - you4ll be
fine...
>
> <snip>

> Out of date?  Do you mean the 'war of the sexes' is over?  Do I need to ask
> who won?

Trivial.
>
> <snip>
> >I am happily married with such a discussion - discussion? debate! -
> >for 34 years. I am not sure I would need that on the list...
>
> Well, with 34 years behind you, maybe you could share some of your insights.

Well, I might write a book. Only, since I took early retirement
and "only" do some consulting as a favour, I have no time.
MKH
+ - Re: Learning languages.... (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Andrew J. Rozsa wrote:
>

> BTW, quite seriously (since you and me seem to be kidding a lot)
> IF you ever are in the States you do have a standing invitation for
> a visit to one of about 6 Hungarian families in Alabama. Dinner and
> overnight housing included, of course.

Be cautious, I might hit! But I won4t be in the area before fall...

> BTW, we have some of the
> most beautiful beaches in the World no more than a 4-hour drive from
> here.

I can confirm that. ( BTW, I committed the worst speeding in my driver
life in Mobile. I somehow lost my way - with a NJ license plate - and
asked a friendly cop. He said : "Ye just folla me", turned on his
flashing red light and his propulsion engine. I did follow. Praying.
VERY soon I was back on my route again. )

The water in the Gulf (of Mexico) easily reaches 30 deg. Celsius
> in the summer. :-)

That4s good for the sharks and for the hurricans. :-(
>
> The reason I said "before 1989" when referring to the wine I have in my
> collection is precisely because of Eva's experiences with the "new
> vintners." There appear to be a new brood of classy wine producers
> that have some impressive offerings.
>
> Here is an example:
    >
>                Welcome to La Boutique des Vins !
>                          connoisseurs around the world.
>
 sauce.
> 4,000
>         bottles were made with Jszsef Bock. $7.50

These prices are not far off, ( though I must admit, when I found
in Csopak the wine I discoverd in the Forum in Budapest and heared
the price and nodded "The bottle, you mean", they said " No, the do-
zen". The first time in my life I wasn4t sure whether I shouldn4t
rather change job and export Hungarian wine to the West... ) except
for real classics...And Villanyi is not a bad wine. But I prefer to
SEE the cellar.

> ==================================================================
> The killer is the shipping (outrageous!):
> ==================================================================

Well, it4s a long way to...well, Alabama.

If I manage, I4ll try to cast a glance on the outfit.

> You, my friend, if your are my guest, will have to be satisfied with the
> cheap stuff
> (Egri Bikaver, Leanyka, Debroi Harslevelu) that I get for about $6
> from some Chicago outfit.

Amen. Cheers. Or was it the other way around?

Miklss

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