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1997-02-16
Új cikk beküldése (a cikk tartalma az író felelőssége)
Megrendelés Lemondás
1 Re: Mr.Lippai. (mind)  13 sor     (cikkei)
2 Hate Mail (mind)  59 sor     (cikkei)
3 Re: Mr.Lippai. (mind)  55 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: On stowestyle, one last time (mind)  37 sor     (cikkei)
5 Nationalities Papers (mind)  35 sor     (cikkei)
6 Re: Nationalities Papers (mind)  22 sor     (cikkei)
7 Flagellation self and otherwise (mind)  20 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: The Trouble With Corporatism (mind)  92 sor     (cikkei)
9 Re: Flagellation self and otherwise (mind)  14 sor     (cikkei)
10 Re: The[appaling] state of democracy and public opinion (mind)  30 sor     (cikkei)
11 ...is anybody out there?... (mind)  1 sor     (cikkei)
12 Politics of the Hungarian diaspora (mind)  13 sor     (cikkei)
13 Pensions (mind)  29 sor     (cikkei)
14 Re: Flagellation self and otherwise (mind)  30 sor     (cikkei)
15 FW: ...is anybody out there?... (mind)  6 sor     (cikkei)
16 FW: Pensions (mind)  30 sor     (cikkei)
17 Re: On stowestyle, one last time (mind)  13 sor     (cikkei)
18 FW: Re: Mr.Lippai. (mind)  28 sor     (cikkei)
19 FW: Re: Flagellation self and otherwise (mind)  35 sor     (cikkei)
20 A Request to Gardeners (mind)  164 sor     (cikkei)
21 Re: Gardeners and flower nmes (mind)  12 sor     (cikkei)
22 Re: The[appaling] state of democracy and public opinion (mind)  20 sor     (cikkei)
23 Viragok / Flowers (mind)  20 sor     (cikkei)
24 Re: Propagandized "history" (mind)  14 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: Mr.Lippai. (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

>I have to make a confession:I was in correspondence with this person for
a
>very short period of time.

>Good riddance.
>Andy.
We are not so lucky, Andy.  He still here - and there - repeating his
absolute idiocities.  I also read the exchange of correspondence between
you and him further below.  Who the hell is he, criticizing your English,
when he - the GREAT HUNGARIAN - is unable to write one correct sentence
in Hungarian?

Agnes
+ - Hate Mail (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I just received the following:

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> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
> WARNING TO MR. LIPPAI!
> I do not wish to receive any private correspondence from you.
> If you disregard this warning I'll consider your correspondence a
> harrasment. Further I'll repost it complete with headers and dates in
> this group and forward copies to the authorities.
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><

You are so stupid!  After you publicly attack me, you have no leg to
stand
on, about any public or private response from me.

You are confusing the free world with the communist world.
___________________________________________________

I find curious that those of you who freely spread your anti-Hungarian
venom on this list, are a lot more cautious when you post on FOURUM or
'soc.culture.magyar'.

Is it because you find that on this list, the hatred of Hungarians is
not
only acceptable but expected?

I believe that your hatred of Hungarians is eating you from inside
out.  It
took a catalyst like me to bring out the full range of your ugly
hatred.
Istvan


````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
Eva Kende B.Sc. Author of Eva's Hungarian Kitchen
look for it at: http://kinga.com/cook.html
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+ - Re: Mr.Lippai. (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 08:06 PM 2/14/97 GMT, you wrote:
>On Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:30:00 +1100, Denes BOGSANYI
> wrote:
>
>>Dear Mr Kozma,
>>I have been following the newsgroup soc.culture.magyar and in the last =
>>few days I noticed that Mr Lippai has been particularly active there. I =
>>must admit that his particular style does not agree with me. What more =
>>can you expect of one who claims to be from Angyalfold.
>>Regards
>>D=E9nes
>I must disagree with you. I am left-leaning enough to say his social
>origin is not important. We should try to judge people for what they
>are, not where they came from. Tolerance, understanding, a thirst for
>knowledge and kindness are not determined by geograpghic or social
>boundaries, but reading, listening and keeping an open mind.
>I am pleased that he has switched to Hungarian and thus fails to to be
>heard by the many 2-3rd generation Hungarians, who are proud of their
>heritage an lurk and post here to absorb more knowledge of their
>roots. They would surely be disillusioned with the venom, hatred and
>devisiveness of this man. He seems to think Hungarian immigration to
>the USA and Canada started on the day he fled from the reprecautions
>of his talking out of both sides of his mouth. (Accepting the
>communist privileges, then turning on his mentors.) Surely great
>idealism! A role model if I ever saw one;-(
>
>Happy Valentines Day to All!
>
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
>WARNING TO MR. LIPPAI!
>I do not wish to receive any private correspondence from you.
>If you disregard this warning I'll consider your correspondence a
>harrasment. Further I'll repost it complete with headers and dates in
>this group and forward copies to the authorities.
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
>
>Szeressuk egymast gyerekek..........
>
>Eva
>````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
>Eva Kende B.Sc. Author of Eva's Hungarian Kitchen
>look for it at: http://kinga.com/cook.html
>````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
>
>Eva:I don't mind wich way anyone is leaning.I don't,and I don't think I
mentioned anything about where he was brought up,and how proud he is of it.
His venom,was the reason I correspondent with him,wich ended with his covert
vitriolic
awnser.I can not forget those atrocities wich we had to go through in Hungary.
I did not say anything derogatorie about the people of Hungary,I just
thought,that they are leaning where ever the wind is blowing from.
Where is the wind coming from now?That is the trouble they can not find it.
I am sorry I can not put any B.Sc's after my name except LFL.(learned from
l\Life)
Andy.
+ - Re: On stowestyle, one last time (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >, Ferenc "Frank the
Rank" Novak, who holds the patent rights on static cling, >
writes:

>Now, Samu, this takes the cake.  Not only will you not acknowledge that you
>were wrong on Jellacic (which is no mortal sin), but you actually state that
>you know more about 1848 than I.  Permit me to say that, being an engineer, I
>probably have a better understanding of what reverse engineering is than you
>do.  Your own pronouncements actually come pretty close to it.

Yes, and notice how you don't dare re-open the debate on the point we were
discussing about Ban Jelacic. I guess it's a case of who you gonna believe, Sue
Ellen -- good, old J.R. or your own two lyin' eyes?

>
>One more thing, if I may, Samu: Your tactic of attempting to silence your
>critics with pseudo-witticisms is not only pitiful, but self-defeating.  To
>wit: your last sentence fits you perfectly.

My "critics" silence themselves, usually after making annoying nuisances of
themselves by trying to imitate me and failing miserably. Since you are
refreshingly devoid of any faculty for self-correction, Frank, you keep
wandering into the meat grinder time and time again. It's the same impulse
which leads people to try and beat trains at railroad crossings.
Sam Stowe


>
>Ferenc
>
>



"Nasal phlegm. Some guys may think it's
funny, Mr. Noir, but it's not."
-- The bartender in Guy Noir's office building
+ - Nationalities Papers (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I am off and on so much, that I do not know if anyone else posted a notice
about this. If yes than I am sorry for the duplication.

Vol 24, Number 3, Sept 1966 issue of the "Nationalities Papers" a quarterly
published by the Association for the Study of Nationalities (Ex-USSR and
Eastern Europe) is titled "Hungary and the Hungarian Minorities" it was
guest edited by Andrew Ludanyi
of Ohio Northern University, Ada, OH.

The issue has a compilation of articles written both by Hungarian and
non-Hungarian
authors. It is unfortunately one of those price publications (US$238/year)
that is rarely acessed by average Jelikos, however, if you can get it from
your library, I highly recommend the reading of this well balanced tome. The
identification is ISSN
0090-5992
The contributing authors are:
Lajos Arday
Andrew Bell
Tibor Frank
Ivan Gyurcsik
Nicolae Harsanyi
Charles Z. Yokay
Karoly Kocsis
Andrew Ludanyi
Paul R. Magocsi
Beata Kovach Nas
Alfred A. Reisch
James Satterwhite
Laszlo Sebok
Zoltan Szasz
Andras Bertalan Szekely
Pal Peter Toth

Regards,Jeliko
+ - Re: Nationalities Papers (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On Sat, 15 Feb 1997, jeliko wrote:
>
> Vol 24, Number 3, Sept 1966 issue of the "Nationalities Papers" a quarterly
> published by the Association for the Study of Nationalities (Ex-USSR and
> Eastern Europe) is titled "Hungary and the Hungarian Minorities" it was
> guest edited by Andrew Ludanyi
> of Ohio Northern University, Ada, OH.

I assume you meant 1996 instead of 1966 :-) I am glad to see I am not the
only one on this list that has problems typing despite having the class in
high school.

If one joins the Association for the Study of Nationalities, it is much
cheaper thatn the regular price which Jellko quoted. I am a student
member, and have a copy of it I believe. If anyone wants copies of an
article from it, email me and I will send a copy via snail-mail.

Szervusztok

Darren Purcell
Department of Geography
Florida State University
+ - Flagellation self and otherwise (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Periodically, one or more contributors of this list who are also
participating in other discussion lists (in spite of disclaimers that they
abhore the style or tone of the group) import the "horrors" or "dismays" of
those other groups to this readership.

Almost inevitably, that original import (as could be expected) brings with
it some of the partcipants of those "abhored" groups and the mudwrestling
now occurs on this group also.

I came to the conclusion that some of the members who participate in these
imports actually enjoy the mudwrestling, regardless of where it takes place.

It reminds me of a kid who runs out of a room into another yelling "Jeliko
is sticking his tounge out at me", then rushes back in and comes out yelling
again "Jeliko is still sticking his tounge out at me" and on, and on, and
on. And in the meantime Jeliko gets all the publicity.

Isn't there a better way?

Regards,Jeliko
+ - Re: The Trouble With Corporatism (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 10:57 PM 2/9/97 GMT, Sam Stowe wrote:

>In article >, Joe Szalai
> writes:
>
>>
>>Hmmm.  Have I seduced you with my ideas already?  Geez, I better not show
>>up on your doorstep while canvassing.  You wouldn't be able to keep your
>>hands off of me....
>
>You're one of those lucky people whose opinion of themselves couldn't be
>surpassed by anyone else's. You're a natural for politics.

Thanks for the backhanded compliment.  And although I enjoy politics I
wouldn't go very far with it.  I mean, what if the electorate found out I
was a... er... ummm... a Hungarian?

<snip>
>I typically leave the juvenalia to you, Joe, since you seem so at home
>with it. You seem to think that unless it involves a socialist version of
>peasants storming the castle with pitchforks and torches, it isn't change.

You've got an overactive imagination, Sam.  Now, I know that your therapist
told you to keep a written record of your nocturnal emissions, but I really
don't think she wanted you to share it with the readers of this newsgroup.

<snip>
>It doesn't bother me because a large majority of the American electorate
>didn't agree with what the Clinton Administration was proposing.

Didn't they?  Then why did they elect him?  For his sexual prowess?  Or are
you saying that Americans came to their senses after the election, and after
the health care industry spent hundreds of millions on advertising to
convince people that they wouldn't benefit from universal medicare?

>Clinton
>has been partially vindicated since then by sweeping, self-initiated
>changes in the health care industry which are accomplishing many of the
>goal's Clinton's health care reform plan would have accomplished.

"Accomplishing many of the goal's" is N O T medicare.  And it certainly
isn't universal!

>If you knew jack-squat about the U.S., you'd have already known this.

You may think the world revolves around the U.S. but it doesn't.  Besides,
I, like many people on this planet, know more about the U.S. than Americans
know about us.  Hell, thirty percent of Americans can't locate their home
town in an atlas!

>Do you ever get tired of this conspiracy manure you ladle out as the answer
>to all of life's evils?

No.  Do you?

<snip>
>I got your special interest group right here, pal.

You wish!  Even after several beers I wouldn't be interested in your
shortcomings.  I have standards, you know.

>All kidding aside, however, just look in the mirror, Joe. You'll see a
>special interest group staring back at you.

Yes, and I see a whole lot more, too.  I see someone who not only
understands disinterested participation but someone who's been involved for
the better part of life.  But I don't expect you to understand that.

>Everyone in a democracy is a member of several
>special interest groups. Politicians know this and that's why they cater
>to every conceivable pressure group that comes down the pike.

Yes, and that's why we have the sorry state of politics that we do.  And, by
the way, politicians don't cater to every pressure group.  Only the
powerful, monied groups.

>When people
>pay as much attention to their duties and obligations as citizens as they
>do to their inalienable rights, democracies work.

Are you saying that democracy isn't working in America?

>And I'm far from a
>libertarian, as everyone with the glaring exception of you has probably
>figured out long ago. I'm an LBJ Democrat, remember?

Do you want counselling?

Joe Szalai

One's real life is often the life that one does not lead.
         Oscar Wilde
+ - Re: Flagellation self and otherwise (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 02:27 PM 2/15/97 -0500, Jeliko wrote:
>Periodically, one or more contributors of this list who are also
>participating in other discussion lists (in spite of disclaimers that they
>abhore the style or tone of the group) import the "horrors" or "dismays" of
>those other groups to this readership.

        I don't understand all the ins and outs of the list but the letters
Jeliko is talking about don't appear "on other discussion lists." They
appear on Usenet addressed to bit.litserv.hungary. I, a subscriber to
HUNGARY, don't get those letters but people who read the
bitnet.listserv.hungary version instead of the subscribed one think the
letters they are replying to are sent to the whole list.

        Eva Balogh
+ - Re: The[appaling] state of democracy and public opinion (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 01:06 AM 2/14/97 GMT, Sam Stowe wrote:

<snip>
>You really think so? Good, because now I have a valid reason for having
>bought "Voltaire's Bastards" when it first came out in hard-back and
>reading it.

You may not believe this, but someone's making a musical (opera?) out of
"Voltaire's Bastards".  Go figure.

>Thanks for tipping me about his new one. I'll see if I can get it at the
>library this weekend. Here's one for you -- try Stephen Toulmin's
>"Cosmopolis: The Hidden Agenda of Modernity." I think you'll like it.

I placed a hold on it and recalled it from the patron who's had it for a
couple of years.

<snip>
>It's called "cognitive dissonance" and it always arises when performance
>diverges radically from premise. I would have guessed that the very concept
>of cognitive dissonance had been tattooed into the Hungarian soul by the
>period 1945-1989.

Well, you guessed wrong.  Again.

Mind you, Hungarians will have another chance at "cognitive dissonance".
This time it will be courtesy of the free market.  I wonder how long it will
take them to figure out it's not what it's cracked up to be.

Joe Szalai
+ - ...is anybody out there?... (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Heaven, what a deserted place...
+ - Politics of the Hungarian diaspora (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Eva Kende, responding to Denes Bogsanyi about Istvan Lippai, wrote:

>I must disagree with you. I am left-leaning enough to say his social
>origin is not important.

The above comment caught my attention because, once again, someone with a
Hungarian background, and not living in the United States, admits to being
left-leaning.  The degree of "leaning" is not important.  What I find
interesting is that no one from the United States seems to lean left.

Does anyone have any thoughts as to why this may be so?

Joe Szalai
+ - Pensions (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

>From Szabadsag, the Kolozsvar/Cluj Hungarian language daily:

"K=FClf=F6ldi rom=E1nok nyugd=EDjjogosults=E1ga

A nyugd=EDjt=F6rv=E9ny idei m=F3dos=EDt=E1sa =E9rtelm=E9ben a k=FClf=F6ldre=
 kitelepedett rom=E1n
etnikum=FA nyugd=EDjasok lejben kaphatj=E1k meg nyugd=EDjukat az itthon=
 ledolgozott
=E9veik ut=E1n. A p=E9nzt szem=E9lyi foly=F3sz=E1ml=E1ra utalja =E1t a=
 t=E1rsadalombiztos=EDt=E1si
igazgat=F3s=E1g. A h=EDr szerint 1032 szem=E9ly r=E9szes=FCl ilyen t=EDpus=
=FA nyugd=EDjban. A
t=F6rv=E9ny sz=F6vege kiz=E1rja a nemzeti kisebbs=E9gekhez tartoz=F3=
 k=FClf=F6ldre
kitelepedett szem=E9lyek hazai nyugd=EDjlehet=F4s=E9geit... "

Translation:

"Pension right for Romanians abroad

According to the 1997 modification of the pension law the ethnic Romanian
pensioners who settled abroad can receive their pensions based on the number
of their working years. The pension is to be paid in lei, in Romania,
transferred to their personal bank account by the social security
administration of Romania. According to the news 1,032 people are entitled
to such pensions. The text of the law excludes from pension rights those
persons that settled abroad and belong to an ethnic minority..."

Gabor D. Farkas
+ - Re: Flagellation self and otherwise (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Jeliko wrote:

>Periodically, one or more contributors of this list who are also
>participating in other discussion lists (in spite of disclaimers that they
>abhore the style or tone of the group) import the "horrors" or "dismays" of
>those other groups to this readership.
>
>Almost inevitably, that original import (as could be expected) brings with
>it some of the partcipants of those "abhored" groups and the mudwrestling
>now occurs on this group also.
>
>I came to the conclusion that some of the members who participate in these
>imports actually enjoy the mudwrestling, regardless of where it takes place.
>
>It reminds me of a kid who runs out of a room into another yelling "Jeliko
>is sticking his tounge out at me", then rushes back in and comes out yelling
>again "Jeliko is still sticking his tounge out at me" and on, and on, and
>on. And in the meantime Jeliko gets all the publicity.
>
>Isn't there a better way?
>
>Regards,Jeliko

I agree with you 100%. And I would like to pinpoint one more funny thing. They
are not only telling us what XY did/told/etc, but analysing XY's psyche
(e.g: angyalfoldi => taho) and even communicating through the Hungary list with
someone who does not contribute to this list.
I guess they would be glad if XY showed up again on this list.

J.Zs
+ - FW: ...is anybody out there?... (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Miklos Hoffmann wrote
<Heaven, what a deserted place...>

After having read - most of - the mail thus far,
Miklos Hoffmann writes :
It4s probably better this way...
+ - FW: Pensions (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

>From Szabadsag, the Kolozsvar/Cluj Hungarian language daily:

<"K|lfvldi romanok nyugdmjjogosultsaga<

<A nyugdmjtvrviny idei msdosmtasa irtelmiben a k|lfvldre kitelepedett roman
<etnikumz nyugdmjasok lejben kaphatjak meg nyugdmjukat az itthon ledolgozott
<iveik utan. A pinzt szemilyi folysszamlara utalja at a tarsadalombiztosmtasi
<igazgatssag. A hmr szerint 1032 szemily riszes|l ilyen tmpusz nyugdmjban. A
<tvrviny szvvege kizarja a nemzeti kisebbsigekhez tartozs k|lfvldre
<kitelepedett szemilyek hazai nyugdmjlehettsigeit... "
                       ############################
<
<Translation:

<"Pension right for Romanians abroad

<According to the 1997 modification of the pension law the ethnic Romanian
<pensioners who settled abroad can receive their pensions based on the number
<of their working years. The pension is to be paid in lei, in Romania,
<transferred to their personal bank account by the social security
<administration of Romania. According to the news 1,032 people are entitled
<to such pensions. The text of the law excludes from pension rights those
<persons that settled abroad and belong to an ethnic minority..."

>Gabor D. Farkas

What the heck means " "hazai" nyugdijlehetoesegeit"? "Hazai"
wasn4t translated, either.
Also, I miss "Romaniaban" for "in Romania"....
Miklos Hoffmann
+ - Re: On stowestyle, one last time (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

S.Stowe wrote:

>Yes, and notice how you don't dare re-open the debate on the point we were
>discussing about Ban Jelacic. I guess it's a case of who you gonna believe, Su
e
>Ellen -- good, old J.R. or your own two lyin' eyes?

If someone  writes down that 'Jelacic was the leader of the south serbs' than
he has no clue what he is talking about. I guess Sam would be better off if
he did not force the reopening of that debate.


J.Zs
+ - FW: Re: Mr.Lippai. (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:30:00 +1100, Denes BOGSANYI
> wrote:

>Dear Mr Kozma,
>I have been following the newsgroup soc.culture.magyar and in the last =
>few days I noticed that Mr Lippai has been particularly active there. I =
>must admit that his particular style does not agree with me. What more =
>can you expect of one who claims to be from Angyalfold.
>

I was hesitating for a while. Since there was only
"left-leaning protest", I must speak up.
I am not left leaning. I am not from Angyalfoeld, but
from "better addresses". I am not supporting Mr. XY4s
primitive tune and thinking. But :
Angyalfoeld IS Hungary. Hungarians ( electorate! ) live
there. I know top notch academic people from Angylafoeld,
Csepel. I remeber how though those guys were 1956.
And I was told many times by "simple people" ( i.e. the ma-
jority of the nation ), and I believe that, this type of
"selfconscious", - magyarul -arrogant mumblings of "better
people",( not only in Austria, but in Hungary, too ) and
the spirit (!) behind was one important reason for the suc-
cess of communists at election time. It was NOT only the
media.
Or should I have misunderstood the message?

Miklos Hoffmann
+ - FW: Re: Flagellation self and otherwise (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Jeliko wrote:

>Periodically, one or more contributors of this list who are also
>participating in other discussion lists (in spite of disclaimers that they
>abhore the style or tone of the group) import the "horrors" or "dismays" of
>those other groups to this readership.
>
>Almost inevitably, that original import (as could be expected) brings with
>it some of the partcipants of those "abhored" groups and the mudwrestling
>now occurs on this group also.
>
>I came to the conclusion that some of the members who participate in these
>imports actually enjoy the mudwrestling, regardless of where it takes place.
>
>It reminds me of a kid who runs out of a room into another yelling "Jeliko
>is sticking his tounge out at me", then rushes back in and comes out yelling
>again "Jeliko is still sticking his tounge out at me" and on, and on, and
>on. And in the meantime Jeliko gets all the publicity.
>
>Isn't there a better way?
>
>Regards,Jeliko

J.Zs. wrote:

<I agree with you 100%. And I would like to pinpoint one more funny thing. They
<are not only telling us what XY did/told/etc, but analysing XY's psyche
<(e.g: angyalfoldi => taho) and even communicating through the Hungary list wit
h
<someone who does not contribute to this list.
<I guess they would be glad if XY showed up again on this list.

Probably, most of us see it like this....but "they" couldn4t
care less.
MKH
+ - A Request to Gardeners (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At this time when the stores are selling the flower seeds I wish I had a
dictionary which would help me translate flower names. There are flowers
which I only know by their Hungarian name, others by their common English
name. Since I did not find such dictionary, I decided to make one. Below is
my first attempt. I am sending this to the list with the hope that may be
some of the readers can help me find the missing information or can suggest
other flowers to be added to the 70 flowers I collected so far.

The flowers are listed alphabetically by their latin name followed in the
next row with their common English and Hungarian names. A question mark
indicates the missing information.

Please send your comments and suggestions in private e-mail, so we do not
disturb the list with this.

Barna Bozoki


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Flower Dictionary (Draft 1997.02.16.)

?
  ?                                   Bu'zavira'g
Achillea
  Yarrow                              Cicfark
Aconitium napellus
  Monk'shood, helmet flower           Sisakvira'g
Adonis vernalis
  Adonis                              Tavaszi he'rics
Ageratum houstonianum
  Ageratum                            Ke'k bojtocska, Kenderpako'ca
Ajuga
  Bugleweed                           Infu"
Alyssum Benthami
  Alyssum                             Ternye
Angelica gigas
  ?                                   ?
Antirrhinum majus
  Snapdragon                          Ta'tika, oroszla'nsza'j, nyulsza'jacska
Aquilegia
  Columbine                           Harangla'b
Aruncus dioicus (A. sylvester)
  Goat'sbeard                         ?
Aster
  Aster                               O"sziro'zsa
Astilbe
  Astilbe                             Astilbe
Aubrieta deltoidea
  False Rock Cress                    Pa'zsitviola
Begonia semperflorens
  Wax Begonia                         Begonia
Bellis Perennis
  English Daisy                       Sza'zszorsze'p
Bergenia cordifolia
  Bergenia                            Bo"rleve'l
Calendula officinalis
  Calendula                           Ko:ro:m- vagy kenye'rbe'lvira'g
Campanula rapunculoides
  Creeping bellflovers                Harangvira'g
Chrysanthemum
  Chrysanthemum                       Krizantin
Cineraria
  Dusty Miller                        Hamvaska
Colchicum arenarium
  ?                                   Homoki kikirics
Convallaria majalis
  Lily of The Valley                  Gyo:ngyvira'g
Coronilla varia
  Crown vetch                         ?
Cosmos
  Cosmos                              Menyecskeszem, e'keske, lepkevira'g
Cynoglossum amabile
  Chinese Forget-me-not               ?
Delphinium
  Delphinium                          Szarkala'b?
Dianthus
  Carnation                           Szegfu"
Dicentra spectabilis
  Bleeding heart                      Szi'vvira'g
Erigeron
  Erigeron                            Ku:llo"rojt
Geranium sanguineum
  Crane's bill                        ?
Gladiolus
  Gladiolus                           Kardvira'g
Helichrysum bracteatum
  Strawflower                         Szalmavira'g
Helleborus niger
  Christmas rose                      Fekete hunyor
Hemerocallis
  Daylily                             Sa'rga liliom
Hosta
  Blunt plantain lily                 Apa'ca liliom
Hyacintus
  Hyacinth                            Ja'cint
Impatiens Balsamina
  Balsam                              Neba'ncsvira'g
Impatiens sultanii
  Impatiens                           Jegecske, vizifukszia
Iponoea Imperialis
  Cardinal climber, morning glory     Hajnalka
Iris
  Iris                                No"szirom
Lamium
  Lamium                              Tarka levelu" a'rvacsala'n
Leucanthemum, Chrysanthemum maximum
  Shasta daisy                        Margare'ta
Lupin
  Lupin                               Csillagfu:rt
Matthiola
  Matthiola                           Nya'ri viola
Mertensia
  Virginia Blubell                    ?
Myosotis, Boraginaceae
  Forget-Me-Not                       Nefelejcs
Ocimum
  ?                                   Bazsalikom
Papaver rhoeas
  Poppy                               Pipacs
Pelargonium
  Geranium                            Muska'tli
Peony
  Paeonia                             Pu:nko:sdi ro'zsa, bazsaro'zsa
Petunia
  Petunia                             Petunia
Phlox Subulata
  Phlox                               Phlox
Phlox drummondi
  Phlox                               La'ngvira'g
Polianthes Tuberosa
  ?                                   Tubaro'zsa
Portulaca
  Portulaca                           Porcsinro'zsa, kukacvira'g
Primula wanda
  Primula                             Kankalin
Pulsatilla
  Pulsatilla                          Ko:ko:rcsin
Reseda odorata
  Mignonette                          Rezeda
Rudbeckia
  Coneflower                          Rudbeckia
Salvia
  Salvia                              Paprikavira'g
Sedum spectabilis
  Stonecrop, Autumn fire              Varju'ha'j, be'kaleve'l
Sedum spurium
  Creeping sedum                      Sedum spurium
Sempervivum
  ?                                   Ko:viro'zsa
Tagetes
  Marigold                            Ba'rsonyka, bu:do:ske
Tropaeolum
  Nasturtium                          Sarkantyu'vira'g, kapucinusvira'g
Tulipa
  Tulip                               Tulipa'n
Viola odorata
  Violet                              Ibolya
Viola tricolor, v. cornuta
  Pansy                               A'rva'cska
Zinnia
  Zinnia                              Re'zvira'g, lege'nyro'zsa, bakaro'zsa

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+ - Re: Gardeners and flower nmes (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 06:55 PM 2/16/97 -0500, Barna Bozoki wrote:
>A Request to Gardeners
>
>At this time when the stores are selling the flower seeds I wish I had a
>dictionary which would help me translate flower names. There are flowers
>which I only know by their Hungarian name, others by their common English
>name.
        There is one great gardener for you on this list. That is Joe Szalai.

        Good luck at gardening.

        Eva Balogh
+ - Re: The[appaling] state of democracy and public opinion (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 12:00 AM 2/15/97 -0400, you wrote:

>>[....]
>>use that label.  And when they do that, they just
>>confuse some people about what social democracy is.  They sure managed to
>>confuse you!


>[....]
>It's called "cognitive dissonance" and it always arises when performance
>diverges radically from premise. I would have guessed that the very concept
>of cognitive dissonance had been tattooed into the Hungarian soul by the
>period 1945-1989.
>

OK, Sam, since you let the cat outta box, you need to finish the thought:
how DOES one resolve cognitive dissonance? Isn't that the gist of your
(implied) message?

Bandi
+ - Viragok / Flowers (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 18:55 16-02-1997 -0500, you wrote:
>A Request to Gardeners
>
>Please send your comments and suggestions in private e-mail, so we do not
>disturb the list with this.
>
>Barna Bozoki

>

Please DO send them to this list. It could use some beautifying!<g>

Doug Holmes
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+ - Re: Propagandized "history" (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Dear Jeliko,
why did you add " non-historian" to your signature?
Reading your letter/article it became painfully obvious.
Greetings: Dominus



jeliko > wrote:

>>I am reading a book...of questionable nature.
>>
>>Regards,Jeliko
>>non-historian
>>

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