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1 Survye of On-Line and In Real Life Relationships (mind)  61 sor     (cikkei)
2 Re: NEED FAST CASH? READ AND TRY THIS!!!!!! (mind)  1 sor     (cikkei)
3 CGI programirozot kerek! (mind)  5 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: Transilvania was,is and would be romanian province (mind)  166 sor     (cikkei)
5 New Website - Travelogue of a Singaporean Through Easte (mind)  29 sor     (cikkei)
6 http://www.trade-center.com/pro/ (Penz, Lanyok, Titkok (mind)  12 sor     (cikkei)
7 Strength in diversity [was: Transilvania was,is and wo (mind)  226 sor     (cikkei)
8 Relying on Anna Smith s Word? (mind)  40 sor     (cikkei)
9 Re: Butakrata (mind)  50 sor     (cikkei)
10 Re: CGI programirozot kerek! (mind)  9 sor     (cikkei)
11 Re: Autonomy for Transylvania! (mind)  12 sor     (cikkei)
12 Re: Butakrata (mind)  14 sor     (cikkei)
13 Re: Butakrata (mind)  62 sor     (cikkei)
14 Re: He is Risen was: Re: Jews: "Know thyself" (mind)  6 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Survye of On-Line and In Real Life Relationships (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Hello,
My name is Ken Schaefer. I am a graduate student at Illinois State University 
in the Sociology Department. This semester, I am taking a class called "Seminar
 
in Family & Sex Roles." This class requires a research project for completion 
of the class requirements. 

The project that I chose compares people's real life relationships with their 
on-line relationships. I am trying to discover if there is a distinct 
difference in the quality and intimacy of friendships that are carried out over
 
the Internet and friendships that are carried out in real life.

I am searching for people who would be willing to spend a few minutes 
completing a survey. There are two ways to get the survey. The first is through
 
electronic mail and the second is on the world wide web.

If you would like a copy of the survey sent to you, please drop me a line at 
. I will then send you a copy of the survey on-line. I have 
designed the survey so that you can edit it in your email program and then use 
the reply to command to return it to me. 

If you would like to complete the survey on the World Wide Web, my URL is 
http://www.ice.net/~schaefer/index.htm. This will take you to my home page 
which has a link to my survey. The web survey is the same except that I have 
created a web form for it. This means that all you need to do is click on the 
appropriate buttons and then click on send at the end of the survey.

If you have a few extra minutes and would like to complete this survey, please 
drop me a line or stop by my home page. I will greatly appreciate your 
participation and I thank you in advance for your time.

When I am completed with this research, I will post my findings on my Web page.
 
I believe that I should return what I find to the community that is providing 
me with such wonderful research opportunities. My web page is dedicated to 
reporting research findings.

Thank You for you time and participation
Ken Schaefer

IMPORTANT: Electronic mail is not a secure means for transmitting information. 
It is possible to intercept electronic mail messages that are in-transit. It is
 
also possible that electronic mail will be read when it is on the server that 
provides me with electronic mail. Once I download your responses, your survey 
will no longer be accessible to the Internet. Until I am able to download your 
survey, I can not guarantee that it will not be seen by unknown parties. Once I
 
download your responses, I will maintain them in a confidential manner. If 
there is any information that you do not want to risk others viewing, please do
 
one of the following:
1.  Do not fill out the questions that concern you.
2.  Do not complete the survey (please drop me an email indicating this)
3.  Print out your completed survey and mail it to me at
	4660 Illinois State University
	Department of Sociology
	Normal, IL. 61790-4660
4.  Call me at (309) 438-3737 and tell me the question number and the response.
+ - Re: NEED FAST CASH? READ AND TRY THIS!!!!!! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

OK, here's a fiver: $5.
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+ - Re: Transilvania was,is and would be romanian province (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,  (George
Szaszvari) wrote:

> In article >,
 (T.M.Lutas) says:
> >
> >There is a house language that parents do provide prior to entry into 
> >school. However, the great majority of a person's vocabulary is likely
> >to be learned at school, not at home. Technical terms outside the parent's
> >speciality and literary terms are much more likely to be picked up in 
> >school than at home. And if the home is a hungarian one, how is the 
> >child going to learn Romanian? How is that child going to avoid having
> >his prospects limited to his own minority community? There needs to be 
> >A certain amount of Romanian language instruction otherwise ghettoization
> >is going to occur and this is going to lead to friction and problems for
> >both our communities.
> 
> Aren't you seeing school education through rose-tinted glasses? It is my 
> experience in Britain that the vast majority of children are failed by the
> state schooling system and learn very little. The impetus to learn comes
> from the parents, usually. 

I happen to agree that parents are key to the issue. However it isn't a 
question of should the child learn that we are discussing here. We are in
perfect agreement on this point. The question is whether Romanian or 
Hungarian language instruction is beneficial for a young child of hungarian
ethnicity who is born and will live his life out in Romania. I believe
that most of the instruction should be in Romanian to ensure that the child
will have full access to whatever economic opportunities will be out there
when he gets out of school. I have no problem with some Hungarian language
instruction but it should not dominate so that Romanian language skills are
sacrificed. I understand that your position is that Hungarian language 
instruction should dominate. I find that position to be short sighted and
with negative consequences for hungarian's long-term place inside Romania.

> >I do share your respect and admiration for the home schooling effort but
> >in a situation like Romania where the neo-communist government is engaged
> >in a perverse practice of national pauperization of anyone who is not a 
> >party member, home schooling is going to fall by the wayside sooner rather
> >than later. 
> 
> Okay, change *party members* for *privileged class*; is it any different
> in essence?

The difference with the home schooling movement in the West is that people
have enough economic opportunity that they can afford to home school. The
mother (who usually does the major part of this) might work at a home business
or not work at all in order to devote more of her time to her children. In
the situation of Romania, how many people are well off enough to get by on
one income 1%, 2%? How many people can start up a home business so that they
can work part time and stay with their children to home school? very few 
indeed. 

With the Iliescu government in place, this situation simply will not change.
Iliescu gets his votes from people so desparately poor that they have no 
time or energy to discover how much he steals from them. To keep power he
must maintain a high level of people who depend on him to give them what
few economic goods they get. In return he gets their votes.

> [snip]
> > My perceptions of bilingual education are more colored by the
> >abysmal failure here than communist propaganda. Bilingual education has
> >been a real disservice to hispanics here and has created rifts in American
> >society that did not have to be there. I would hate to see those rifts in
> >Romanian society. They just provide openings for the extremists on both
> >sides which I hope you agree with me would be a *bad thing*.

> I don't believe that language is the essence of the problems in the USA.

There is no one "essence". Rather there are a cluster of social problems 
of which language is only one of them. 

> Anyway, Spanish was spoken in the south-west long before the drive west
> brought English there. I'd say that Hispanics have a right to speak Spanish
> if they want to. 

It isn't a matter of rights at all. If hispanics want to remain migrant 
farm workers, living miserable lives and dying young then they have no 
need of english beyond the warning labels on the pesticide bottles and 
even then that sort of job will still go to an good english speaker. 

The economy of the future that these kids are going to enter after 10 or
20 years is going to have a greater and greater need for communications 
skills than in the past. If you are in an english speaking country you
had better be able to speak english well. If you are in a Romanian speaking
country, speaking Romanian is going to be necessary to keeping up with 
your neighbors. And if the Romanian state doesn't make sure that it happens
then it is doing a disservice not to the romanian ethnics but to the
hungarians.

> Blacks are overwhelmingly English speaking in the
> USA, yet they have greater problems in US society than Hispanics, Koreans, 
> Chinese, etc. The problem is caused by something else, trouble flares up
> and then fingers start pointing at the apparent differences, usually 
> overlooking the real underlying causes of the problem. Don't pander to
> extremists by appeasing them...fight their darkness and ignorance with
> enlightenment and REAL education.

The problem that blacks have include the destruction of the black family
caused by a perverse welfare state. The entire social fabric of black
society has been destroyed over the last thirty years. There are entire
generations of black children who are growing up without any honest 
hardworking role models around them, only people on the dole and criminals.

This is a similar problem to Romanian society as a whole. Fortunately the
situation is not as extreme as it is in the black community but many of
the same problems are there.

> >I don't fear your differences, I fear miscommunication, the ghettoization
> >of hungarian minorities, the increasing use of the ethnic card in Romanian
> >politics, and most of all, any divisions between the people that allow
> >the communists to stay in power 1 day longer than necessary.
> 
> I would say that the onus is on the ethnic Romanians to deal with your 
> fears; 

No, the burden of avoiding miscommunication is on us all. I worry about
ghettoization of hungarian minorities out of neighborly concern, if you
want a lower standard of living then at least stop complaining about 
Romanian discrimination when it happens. As for the increasing use of the
ethnic card in Romanian politics isn't this something that we should both
work on? Given the brute force realities of the situation the 
de-ethnicization of Romanian politics would be in the hungarian minorities 
best interest since if we ever were to have ethnic warfare my side would win.
I don't mind shouldering half the burden but all of it?

> your argument puts the onus on ethnic groups in Romania to conform 
> and be passively assimilated into a monolithic Romanian nation-state 

You don't have to be assimilated if you don't want to. You do have to have
enough of a common language with us so that extremists and demagogues can't
force us apart into warring camps.

> cultural identity. This is where we fundamentally differ. I believe diversity
 
> should be encouraged in Romania (and everywhere else): you believe others 
> should conform, which is dangerous IMHO. 

Diversity is great up to a point. But diversity doesn't mean separatism or
irredentism. Do you think those ideas are great to?

> You denounce communists, I denounce all totalitarianism. 

Don't make me into a nazi before you know my opinions on the subject. I 
have no love for any brand of totalitarianism. It is just that to attack
naziism is to beat a dead horse while communism is very much alive and
well in Romania. I don't think it is unnatural to concentrate on the bigger
current threat, do you?

> (re: Albert Speer's memoirs...the psychological point 
> of Nazi rallies was to achieve just this *oneness of identity*. In contrast,
> someone like Akbar the Great and his golden Mughal rule encouraged diversity
> thereby enriching all cultures through cross-fertilization and positive 
> fusions, as opposed to repression of them.)

Positive fusions and cross-fertilizations occur when people have enough of a
common language so that they can exchange cultural habits. I'm not looking
for 100% Romanian education and nobody responsible on my side seems to be
talking about that either. So, since I'm not so enthused by this "oneness
of identity" either, what's your beef?

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+ - New Website - Travelogue of a Singaporean Through Easte (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Hi,

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Please drop by and leave your highly valued comments.

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+ - Strength in diversity [was: Transilvania was,is and wo (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >, 
os.com (T.M.Lutas) says:
>
>In article >,  (George
>Szaszvari) wrote:
>
>I happen to agree that parents are key to the issue. However it isn't a 
>question of should the child learn that we are discussing here. We are in
>perfect agreement on this point. 

Well, we were'nt: you explicitly stated the opposite a week ago, but that's 
fair enough.

>The question is whether Romanian or 
>Hungarian language instruction is beneficial for a young child of hungarian
>ethnicity who is born and will live his life out in Romania. I believe
>that most of the instruction should be in Romanian to ensure that the child
>will have full access to whatever economic opportunities will be out there
>when he gets out of school. 

I have no objection to Romanian language classes in school (that would only
be sensible) but object to the implied notion that the Romanian language 
should be forced on other non-Romanian ethnic groups in their home lives,
from birth onwards. This is the sort of thing that Meciar's language law
in Slovakia is creeping towards (and it's unadulterated fascism.)

>I have no problem with some Hungarian language
>instruction but it should not dominate so that Romanian language skills are
>sacrificed. I understand that your position is that Hungarian language 
>instruction should dominate. I find that position to be short sighted and
>with negative consequences for hungarian's long-term place inside Romania.

I agree that non-Romanian ethnics within today's Romanian political borders 
would only enhance their possibilities and help co-existence by learning
Romanian (and other languages, too), but this should be allowed to happen
naturally, in a positive way, not made into some kind of repressive measure
at assimilation thus breeding resentment and creating problems.

>The difference with the home schooling movement in the West is that people
>have enough economic opportunity that they can afford to home school. The
>mother (who usually does the major part of this) might work at a home business
>or not work at all in order to devote more of her time to her children. In
>the situation of Romania, how many people are well off enough to get by on
>one income 1%, 2%? How many people can start up a home business so that they
>can work part time and stay with their children to home school? very few 
>indeed. 

Granted, up to a point. There is a myth that everyone in the west is 
well-off. There is a huge amount of pauperization here too, despite the 
supposedly better economic climate.

>With the Iliescu government in place, this situation simply will not change.
>Iliescu gets his votes from people so desparately poor that they have no 
>time or energy to discover how much he steals from them. To keep power he
>must maintain a high level of people who depend on him to give them what
>few economic goods they get. In return he gets their votes.

So how do you propose to get rid of Iliescu? 

>> [snip]
>> > My perceptions of bilingual education are more colored by the
>> >abysmal failure here than communist propaganda. Bilingual education has
>> >been a real disservice to hispanics here and has created rifts in American
>> >society that did not have to be there. I would hate to see those rifts in
>> >Romanian society. They just provide openings for the extremists on both
>> >sides which I hope you agree with me would be a *bad thing*.
>
>> I don't believe that language is the essence of the problems in the USA.
>
>There is no one "essence". Rather there are a cluster of social problems 
>of which language is only one of them. 
>
>> Anyway, Spanish was spoken in the south-west long before the drive west
>> brought English there. I'd say that Hispanics have a right to speak Spanish
>> if they want to. 
>
>It isn't a matter of rights at all. If hispanics want to remain migrant 
>farm workers, living miserable lives and dying young then they have no 
>need of english beyond the warning labels on the pesticide bottles and 
>even then that sort of job will still go to an good english speaker. 

This is a bit of silly over-simplification, isn't it? In Britain we have
EC goods labelled in only French, German, Italian, or whatever. As I've 
stated before, there are plenty of well-to-do Hispanics in SW USA, and 
plenty of relatively poor whites and blacks. What's more, Hispanics have 
their own cultural centres, TV programmes, work in banks, own successful
businesses etc. If dangerous products are used in areas where warning 
notices are in a foreign language the onus is on the government and/or 
local authorities to have appropriate translations of the warnings on the 
goods (as would/should happen in Britain with dangerous EC products), not
say: *Tough, if you were contanimated by this pesticide! You should have
learned English!*. Such reasoning is something like an Iliescu argument.

>The economy of the future that these kids are going to enter after 10 or
>20 years is going to have a greater and greater need for communications 
>skills than in the past. If you are in an english speaking country you
>had better be able to speak english well. 

Predominantly English, but it's still a multilingual country, isn't it? 

>If you are in a Romanian speaking
>country, speaking Romanian is going to be necessary to keeping up with 
>your neighbors. And if the Romanian state doesn't make sure that it happens
>then it is doing a disservice not to the romanian ethnics but to the
>hungarians.

So the Romanian state isn't up to doing it's job, thus non-Romanian 
ethnics must carry the burden? I'm afraid you are transferring the onus 
of responsibility to the most vulnerable members of that society. 

[snip]
>> >I don't fear your differences, I fear miscommunication, the ghettoization
>> >of hungarian minorities, the increasing use of the ethnic card in Romanian
>> >politics, and most of all, any divisions between the people that allow
>> >the communists to stay in power 1 day longer than necessary.
>> 
>> I would say that the onus is on the ethnic Romanians to deal with your 
>> fears; 
>
>No, the burden of avoiding miscommunication is on us all. 

Right!

>I worry about
>ghettoization of hungarian minorities out of neighborly concern, if you
>want a lower standard of living then at least stop complaining about 
>Romanian discrimination when it happens. 

Huh??

>As for the increasing use of the
>ethnic card in Romanian politics isn't this something that we should both
>work on? Given the brute force realities of the situation the 
>de-ethnicization of Romanian politics would be in the hungarian minorities 
>best interest since if we ever were to have ethnic warfare my side would win.
>I don't mind shouldering half the burden but all of it?
>
>> your argument puts the onus on ethnic groups in Romania to conform 
>> and be passively assimilated into a monolithic Romanian nation-state 
>
>You don't have to be assimilated if you don't want to. You do have to have
>enough of a common language with us so that extremists and demagogues can't
>force us apart into warring camps.

Okay, now that you've dropped the *need to assimilate* argument, let's
work on showing how strength in diversity can beat the extremists. *Common
language* also means *common understanding of purpose* (it doean't only 
refer to the literal linguistic sense), so I hope you mean the latter.

>> cultural identity. This is where we fundamentally differ. I believe diversit
y 
>> should be encouraged in Romania (and everywhere else): you believe others 
>> should conform, which is dangerous IMHO. 
>
>Diversity is great up to a point. But diversity doesn't mean separatism or
>irredentism. Do you think those ideas are great to?

You said *seperatism* and *irredentism*, I didn't! You are clearly keen on
maintaining current Romanian territories and fear the ethnic groups inside
those borders. I'm keen on doing away with ALL borders. How about a United
Europe where provinces and districts of countries become nothing more than
administrative centres, the local populations largely governing themselves, 
overseen by Brussels or Strasbourg, or whatever, using their own languages 
at home as freely as they like with one single language for administrative 
purposes (say, French, for the sake of argument)?

>> You denounce communists, I denounce all totalitarianism. 
>
>Don't make me into a nazi before you know my opinions on the subject. I 
>have no love for any brand of totalitarianism. It is just that to attack
>naziism is to beat a dead horse 

It is by no means dead, at all! Disguised under different names, etc, but
definitely not dead!

>while communism is very much alive and
>well in Romania. I don't think it is unnatural to concentrate on the bigger
>current threat, do you?

Of course, fascist and communist dictatorships are very close by completing
the circle....

>> (re: Albert Speer's memoirs...the psychological point 
>> of Nazi rallies was to achieve just this *oneness of identity*. In contrast,
>> someone like Akbar the Great and his golden Mughal rule encouraged diversity
>> thereby enriching all cultures through cross-fertilization and positive 
>> fusions, as opposed to repression of them.)
>
>Positive fusions and cross-fertilizations occur when people have enough of 
>a common language so that they can exchange cultural habits

Yes, but, again, not only in the liguistic sense. Perhaps the most 
linguistically (and culturally) diverse country in the world is the Indian
sub-continent, yet the greatest age of cultural fusion happened there under 
Akbar the Great. We should be looking at and learning from such positive 
role models in history, not harping on about the negative stuff so much,
don't you think?

>I'm not looking for 100% Romanian education and nobody responsible on my 
>side seems to be talking about that either. 

I'm glad you made that clear.

>So, since I'm not so enthused by this "oneness
>of identity" either, what's your beef?

Keep your hair on, and sorry if it seemed like I implied that you were a 
Nazi; I'm just trying to say how dangerously close one can come to such 
ideologies when looking to put the responsibility in someone else's lap 
(another Nazi trick, scapegoating Jews and other *untermenschen* so that 
people didn't have to look at themselves.) With all the apparent good 
intentions in the world, it is mighty easy to fall into such traps. As 
you've said yourself, people like Iliescu must be ousted. This should 
be followed up with a clear agenda to educate people and make them 
independently confident enough to dispense with the politics of corruption, 
hate and short-sightedness.

Regards,

George

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+ - Relying on Anna Smith s Word? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Can we trust this chick at her word or what?

From my email inbox:
  oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
  o On Mon, April 15, 1996, Anna Smith wrote:                        o
  o Don't bother wasting your time writing because I'm not even      o
  o wasting my time reading anything that bears either your or his   o
  o name....have fun with each other                                 o
  oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

In a direct post to Wally Keeler:
  oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
  o On Monday April 15, 1996, Anna Smith wrote:                      o
  o Now I'm going to take their advice (and there were many who I    o
  o should've listened to I see) and ignore you. Children love       o
  o negative reinforcement and you will get no further reinforcement o
  o from me.                                                         o
  oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Then disavowing her own edict she provided further negative reinforcement:
  oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
  o On Sun Apr 21 1996 > Anna Smith wrote:    o
  o Since this post had your name [Wally's] on it I read it---       o
  oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Continuing to disavow her own edict and ignoring the purpose of a killfile
she claims to have set up, she writes:
  oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
  o On 22 Apr 1996 in > Anna Smith wrote: o
  o Big surprise--he's still acting like a spoiled child and trying  o
  o to goad me. FYI, my e-mail software calls the filter that pulls  o
  o out your wonderfully lame messages a "killfile" so so much for   o
  o you trying to make a point again. LOL. And what I was referring  o
  o to about reading a certain e-mail was that it wasn't plucked by  o
  o my killfile so I read it-duh!                                    o
  oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

So on April 15 the chick declares that she will no longer read anything
with Wally's name on it. Then on April 21, she declares that she read one
of Wally's files solely on the basis that it had his name on it.
+ - Re: Butakrata (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,
Wally Keeler > wrote:
>Joe Pannonymous wrote:
>|Typical from the burocrats: they cut back the service, instead of laying
>                  ^^^^^^^^^\
>                            The more appropoetic word is bureaucraps!
>                            or in your own tongue; butakrata!
>|off some of their fellows.  So now the ratio of Radio employees per
>|program hour will be even greater than before.

On 27 Apr 1996 in >
 (Gyorgy Kovacs) wrote:
:Wally, we already know you need English lessons and you can't spell, so
:you don't have to prove it again! 


             ENGLISH LESSON 101.a for Gyorgy Kovacs

You continue to be as KoVACUOUS as always. Wally is involved in inventive
wordplay. 

   "Painting is mute poetry, poetry a speaking picture"
              -- Simonides of Ceos, sixth century B.C.

   "Ut pictura poesis" 
              -- Horace

   "into-it-iveness"
              -- Blake

It is part and parcel of the poet's playground to reformulate words and
language. Otherwise, language becomes stale -- from whence YOU evolved,
obviously. Wally joins together two images -- bureaucrats and crap (shit
aka post-nutritive disposal substance) The combined whole -- BUREAUCRAPS --
more appropriately and effectively describes the entities behind the desks
in offices everywhere. Wally has done the same thing with "buta" and
"burokrata". It is not a spelling error -- it is inventive wordplay, an
element of creativity. 

|Stay on SCR, that's a good level for your brain (or the lack of it).

I don't think that the Romanians would appreciate your racist remark, but
then again, they have heard so much of this arrogant and snobbish crap
coming from Hungarians, that they have become well-enured to it. Remember
when Wally gave you your first English lesson: 

Wally wrote: misogynist
KoVACUOUS wrote: (whatever the heck that means)

                          DUH!
+ - Re: CGI programirozot kerek! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,
 > wrote:
>Nincsen itt valaki, aki ertene a CGI programirozashoz?
>Kis mellekallast kinalnek.
>**************************************
>http://www.trade-center.com/pro/
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Ez most programiras vagy programozas? Programirung az nemetul van. :-)
+ - Re: Autonomy for Transylvania! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,
iFodor  > wrote:
> Southern California has much in common in this sense with Transylvania. Both

Although I think Mr. Fodor's post is inconsistent with some facts, he is right 
in the most important aspect:

To survive in the US, it is foolish not to know English, but it is foolish also
to know just only English. Substitute 'US' and 'English' for whatever country 
you like, and the 'official' language there.

Gabor
+ - Re: Butakrata (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,
Brigitta Bali > wrote:
>It is part and parcel of the poet's playground to reformulate words and

So who's the poet? The only "poems" I read on the ng are some bad poems from 
you (almost made me throw up), some superb poems from moi (but, alas, I am not 
a poet), and some sexist remarks from Wally (in reference to Mrs. Smith), and 
some horrible poems, also from Wally. I also could not find any books at OSU 
from Wally. So what poet are you talking about? Are you talking about poets in 
general? If yes, what poets do you know? (Not that I care, mind you.)
I can send you some Nahuatl writings if ya like, but you'll have to translate 
'em, I won't do dat for ya.

Gabor
+ - Re: Butakrata (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Brigitta Bali ) wrote:
: In article >,
: Wally Keeler > wrote:
: >Joe Pannonymous wrote:
: >|Typical from the burocrats: they cut back the service, instead of laying
: >                  ^^^^^^^^^\
: >                            The more appropoetic word is bureaucraps!
: >                            or in your own tongue; butakrata!
: >|off some of their fellows.  So now the ratio of Radio employees per
: >|program hour will be even greater than before.

: On 27 Apr 1996 in >
:  (Gyorgy Kovacs) wrote:
: :Wally, we already know you need English lessons and you can't spell, so
: :you don't have to prove it again! 


:              ENGLISH LESSON 101.a for Gyorgy Kovacs

: You continue to be as KoVACUOUS as always. Wally is involved in inventive
: wordplay. 

:    "Painting is mute poetry, poetry a speaking picture"
:               -- Simonides of Ceos, sixth century B.C.

:    "Ut pictura poesis" 
:               -- Horace

:    "into-it-iveness"
:               -- Blake

: It is part and parcel of the poet's playground to reformulate words and
: language. Otherwise, language becomes stale -- from whence YOU evolved,
: obviously. Wally joins together two images -- bureaucrats and crap (shit
: aka post-nutritive disposal substance) The combined whole -- BUREAUCRAPS --
: more appropriately and effectively describes the entities behind the desks
: in offices everywhere. Wally has done the same thing with "buta" and
: "burokrata". It is not a spelling error -- it is inventive wordplay, an
: element of creativity. 

: |Stay on SCR, that's a good level for your brain (or the lack of it).

: I don't think that the Romanians would appreciate your racist remark, but
: then again, they have heard so much of this arrogant and snobbish crap
: coming from Hungarians, that they have become well-enured to it. Remember
: when Wally gave you your first English lesson: 

: Wally wrote: misogynist
: KoVACUOUS wrote: (whatever the heck that means)

:                           DUH!

Brigitta, what are you doing dragging this Magyar meathead into SCR?
Do you think he could really learn from an English lesson from anyone?
We spent a month on him in SCM and The Black Hole of Vacuity couldn't 
bring himself to be inventive with language if his life depended on it. 
Throw him back into SCM with the other Banality Beans. SCR has a higher 
quality of wit and colour of language. 
-- 
Wally Keeler					Poetry
Creative Intelligence Agency			is
Peoples Republic of Poetry			Poetency
+ - Re: He is Risen was: Re: Jews: "Know thyself" (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Why has there been religious strife for centuries?
Man throws out the commandments of God and works from his own prejudices,
that's why!
If we listened to God more than ourselves, we could all live in peace!

            Kelly Paul Graham.

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