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1 Re: Soros anti-Capitalist? (mind)  62 sor     (cikkei)
2 Powerful nations can make choices (mind)  20 sor     (cikkei)
3 Hungarian Frog Legs (mind)  13 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: garbage-man (mind)  11 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: Hungarian Frog Legs (mind)  8 sor     (cikkei)
6 Re: garbage-man (mind)  20 sor     (cikkei)
7 Re: garbage-man (mind)  14 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: garbage-man (mind)  34 sor     (cikkei)
9 Lippai's Lament (was Re: Powerful nations can make choi (mind)  26 sor     (cikkei)
10 Please severe all my contacts with this list (mind)  14 sor     (cikkei)
11 Re: Powerful nations can make choices (mind)  38 sor     (cikkei)
12 Toronto Star. (mind)  14 sor     (cikkei)
13 Re: Protecting the HUNGARY list (mind)  45 sor     (cikkei)
14 Re: The Compromise of 1867 (mind)  81 sor     (cikkei)
15 Re: Hungarian Frog Legs (mind)  21 sor     (cikkei)
16 Galbraight and Soros (mind)  36 sor     (cikkei)
17 Re: Toronto Star. (mind)  10 sor     (cikkei)
18 Re: Powerful nations can make choices (mind)  33 sor     (cikkei)
19 Re: Galbraight and Soros (mind)  46 sor     (cikkei)
20 Re: Powerful nations can make choices (mind)  28 sor     (cikkei)
21 Re: Powerful nations can make choices (mind)  35 sor     (cikkei)
22 Re: garbage-man (mind)  19 sor     (cikkei)
23 Re: Please severe all my contacts with this list (mind)  50 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: Soros anti-Capitalist? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Barna Bozoki:
-cut-
> I did not read the article, but I am not surprised. Soros is a closet
> philosopher, and he is not alone to see the danger signs. Today (Jan. 17)
> "The Globe and Mail" published extensive excerpts from John Kenneth
> Galbrait's lecture at the University of Toronto. The 88-years-old
> distinguished economics professor from Harvard University was qouted to say
> for example:
>
-cut-

I have read Soros's essay as reprinted from the current Atlantic
Monthly. (Jeremy Hardy's column replaced) in yesterday's
Guardian.

It is very long to type in, so you have to have my summary
of it. (You can probably find it on the net by now, the Guardian
is on the www.)

Yes, the gist of it is as B. Bozozki suggested.
Soros claims to be a "social-Popperist" (my term),
his aim is an "open society" (his and Popper's term), in
which nobody claims to own Absolute Truth.

Truth can be approximated in natural sciences he says,
but not in social science, where everyone should admit to be
fallable. The communists claim The Truth he says, but so do
the Laissez-faire camp. He reckons the main threat for
totalitarianism comes from the latter, and their fault is the
present chaos. He makes very good points to convince
you.

I quote a paragraph:
"There is no need to make any dire predictions about the eventual
breakdown of our global trading system in order to show that a
laissez-faire ideology is incompatible with the concept of the open
society. It is enough to consider the free world's failure to extend a
helping hand after the collapse of communism. The system of robber
capitalism that has taken hold in Russia is so iniquitous that people
may well turn to a charismatic leader promising national revival at
the cost of civil liberties."

So basically he knows, that the only way is to save capitalism
is with regulations, standards, redistribution. He asks the reader to
see why  these were introduced the first place - and I ask him to
see why there is such a movement against them by the "shortsighted"
section of capitalists.


What I like to know it, in what way "open society" is different
from a genuinly democratic society. How are decisions made.
In the global economy some opinions have to accepted to
manage the integration and cooperation necessary.

Also, if it is accepted, that capitalism is bad, when it turns into
open dictatorship, but bearable (for some...) when not, than what is the
 argument
against a working democratic socialism, that is not turning into
dictatorship.  But I don't think Mr
Soros is on our list, so I won't get any answers...


+ - Powerful nations can make choices (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

To paraphrase my earlier statement, "I find nazis and communists equally
distasteful", but I prefer a right-wing nut to a self proclaimed litter of
communist traitors, whose family did not have any bad experiences between
1945-1956.  Right on Szalai elvtars.

The last straw was Janos Monoki's posting suggesting that people who condemn
communists are in fact communists.  I looked up his home-page
(http://www.tiszanet.hu/~lmonoki/personal.htm) and found out that Monoki
elvtars spent 6 years (1986-1992) at the Military Technical Academia of
Warsaw, Poland.

You had to be a dirty, good-for-nothing communist traitor to enter that a
Polish military academia at the time good, honest, Polish patriots were
murdered under military rule.

The communists are coming out from all over this list.  I want nothing more of
this communist garbage.  I am sending a copy of this to Zoli Fekete,
requesting that he remove my name from this list.

Istvan Lippai
+ - Hungarian Frog Legs (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

A while ago I read that Hungary is the primary supplier of frog legs to
France.  Can anyone verify this?  And why Hungary?  Is there something in
the climate, soil, or water that is beneficial to frog breeding?

Also, has anyone tried frog legs?  I have, and I quite like them.  The legs
were sauteed in butter for a few minutes and served with rice.  It was very
good.  Has anyone ever made a frog leg paprikas or po:rko:lt?  And what kind
of wine goes with frog legs?

The only problem I have with frog legs is that they're not readily available
in the stores around here.

Joe Szalai
+ - Re: garbage-man (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 01:45 PM 1/19/97 UT, the garbage-man  wrote:

> I am sending a copy of this to Zoli Fekete,
>requesting that he remove my name from this list.

This would be the best news of the year (IMHO - I guess this puts me on his
list of communist garbage). Maybe someone should tell him, that to
unsubscribe, he should send a message to , with the
following message: SIGNOFF HUNGARY.

Gabor D. Farkas
+ - Re: Hungarian Frog Legs (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 09:30 AM 1/19/97 -0500, Joe Szalai wrote:

>The only problem I have with frog legs is that they're not readily available
>in the stores around here.

There are so many lakes in Canada, go and catch some:-).

Gabor D. Farkas
+ - Re: garbage-man (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On Sun, 19 Jan 1997, S or G Farkas wrote:

> At 01:45 PM 1/19/97 UT, the garbage-man  wrote:
>
> > I am sending a copy of this to Zoli Fekete,
> >requesting that he remove my name from this list.
>
> This would be the best news of the year (IMHO - I guess this puts me on his
> list of communist garbage). Maybe someone should tell him, that to
> unsubscribe, he should send a message to , with the
> following message: SIGNOFF HUNGARY.
>
> Gabor D. Farkas
> ---------------
Gabor,

   The word "garbage" is not in your suggestion, Gabor, this fact
may pose a serious difficulty for him to understand it -

                                                          Amos
+ - Re: garbage-man (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 10:34 AM 1/19/97 -0500, Gabor Farkas wrote:
>At 01:45 PM 1/19/97 UT, the garbage-man  wrote:
>
>> I am sending a copy of this to Zoli Fekete,
>>requesting that he remove my name from this list.
>
>This would be the best news of the year (IMHO - I guess this puts me on his
>list of communist garbage).

        Definitely, Gabor! I am glad that you are there with Lajos, Joe,
Aniko, Sam, Marina, myself and many more. I can't speak for the others, but
I would have been very disappointed if you had been excluded.

        Eva Balogh
+ - Re: garbage-man (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 10:34 AM 19/01/97 -0500, you wrote:

>At 01:45 PM 1/19/97 UT, the garbage-man  wrote:

>

>> I am sending a copy of this to Zoli Fekete,

>>requesting that he remove my name from this list.

>

>This would be the best news of the year (IMHO - I guess this puts me on
his

>list of communist garbage). Maybe someone should tell him, that to

>unsubscribe, he should send a message to , with
the

>following message: SIGNOFF HUNGARY.

>

>Gabor D. Farkas

>

Good news Mr. Lippai!  In bidding you good-bye, I'd like to quote an
eloquent statement written by a "listemember" some time ago:

<bold>"God preserve Hungary from such "patriots"!

</bold>Aniko
+ - Lippai's Lament (was Re: Powerful nations can make choi (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 01:45 PM 1/19/97 UT, Istvan Lippai wrote:

>To paraphrase my earlier statement, "I find nazis and communists equally
>distasteful", but I prefer a right-wing nut to a self proclaimed litter of
>communist traitors, whose family did not have any bad experiences between
>1945-1956.  Right on Szalai elvtars.

Gee, you sound so bitter, Mr. Lippai.  It's Sunday, so cheer up.  Perhaps a
good song could lift your spirits.  How about singing the International in
Hungarian.  That should do it.  You still remember the words, don't you?
I'll help you get started:  "Fel fel ti rabjai a fo:ldnek, fel fel te e'hes
proleta'r ..."  There.  You're feeling better already, aren't you?

<snip>
>The communists are coming out from all over this list.  I want nothing more of
>this communist garbage.  I am sending a copy of this to Zoli Fekete,
>requesting that he remove my name from this list.

Sorry to tell you this, but I don't think Zoli Fekete can add or remove
people from this list.  Perhaps he'll make an exception in your case.

Joe Szalai

P.S.  I'm  also sorry I don't know the words to "Csak Egy Kisla'ny Van a
Vila'gon" or "Az Asszony Ha Veszekszik" because I'm sure that those songs
would have cheered you up also.
+ - Please severe all my contacts with this list (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Kedves Zoli,

I wish to severe all my contacts from the HUNGARY mailing list (Hungarian
Discussion
List).

This is NOT a Hungarian list.  This list is dominated by a small group of
people with pro-Communist, anti-Hungarian, anti-American sentiments.

I had all I could take.

Thank you.

Istvan Lippai
+ - Re: Powerful nations can make choices (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Jeliko wrote:

>The choice was not made on the basis of who was more brutal. The extant
>documents
>of events leading to the Hungarian actions do not show any such abstract
>considerations. Please remember that at that time it was not solely Russia
>that became the enemy but all others who at that time were fighting Germany
>who cannot be accused of atrocities on the Russian or German scale. The
>eventual faith of Hungary may not have been significantly different, than if
>Hungary tried to be consistent in its initial action of staying out of the
>Geramn-Polish war. That consistency was broken by the actions relating to
>Yugoslavia. If Hyngary was really that upset with the Yugoslav behavior, why
>sign a treaty just before deciding the attack. If I recall correctly, there
>was no particular German pressure for Hungary to join in the war against
 Russia.
>As a matter of fact some of the consideration was that if the Romanians and
>the Slovaks are fighting with the Germans how can we stay out of it.

I think the main ideas governing the hungarian policy during WWII were
revisionism, anticommunism and staying out the conflict if possible. The
most important was the revisionism, get back territories for almost any
cost. This caused the state of war between England and Hungary. The
Hungarian goverment could not resist the temptation to get control over
Vajdasag. The Brittish were clear if Hungary joined the war against Yugoslavia
that would mean war against England as well.
The war against Russia is a different story, I think. The Hungarian
government wanted to gain some good points at Hitler. Also the
anticommunism was a factor, too. I agree, to join that war was a
mistake. Hungary should have avoided to get involved in Russia,
however the 'eventual faith of Hungary' surely would not have been
different (German and Russian occupation). We would have saved a
lots of life and might have gained some *moral credit*.
However, to enter the German-Russian war is an obvious mistake
from our viewpoint today, knowing the outcome of that war.
In 1941 a lots of people thought and not only on the axis side,
that the war in Russia would be short and easy one for Germany.

J.Zs
+ - Toronto Star. (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I think,even if you haven't heard from me for a while this ltle article will
awbser a lot of questions.
Apparently this article was written 50 years ago,but appeared in Sundays paper.
Socialism:you have two cows.Give on cow to your neighbor.
Communism:You have two cows.Give both of them to the Governement,and they
may give you milk.
Fascism:You have two cows.You give all the milk to the governement,and they
sell it.
Nazism:You have two cows:the governement shoots you and takes both of the cows.
Anarchism:You have two cows.Keep both cows,shoot the governement agent and
steel another cow.
Capitalis:You have two cows.Sell one cow and buy a bull.
I hope this awnsers all questions.
Andy.
+ - Re: Protecting the HUNGARY list (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On Thu, 9 Jan 1997, George Antony wrote:
> A while back the setup of the HUNGARY list was changed so that only
 subscribers
> could mail a message through the list.  This was to keep out sundry hawkers
> and loonies using mail servers for inappropriate purposes.
>
> Opening the gateways to bit.listserv.hungary and soc.culture.magyar has
> all but wiped out this protection and we are once again subjected to such
> material.
 If you don't mind, let me indulge in a little correction first: the
change to subscriber-only came well after having b.l.h; s.c.m as such has
no gatewaying back to the list (HIX's shadow HUNGARY list does, but I
think that has had negligible effect on this particular problem - while it
does contribute greatly to the confusion about the various faces of the
list ;-().

> Experts, please, is there anything that could be done ?
 Yes, and it shouldn't be hard - although obviously it's not trivial
either; it really is supposed to work now, despite the bit.listserv
gatewaying, but it appears that the LISTSERV lets Usenet submissions leak
thru from non-subscribers. I'm told that with a little tweaking this could
be cured, but I suppose it may take more time than the list-owner has for
it just now (but feel free to jump right in, if you will, Hugh).

> Would it be possible for the listserver not to propagate messages that are
> mailed through the Usenet groups by non-subscribers, and bounce them back to
> the sender along with a warning and subscription information ?  This would
> offer some protection to those who subscribe to the mailing list proper and
> provide information to those who are posting from outside of the list in good
> faith.
 Indeed this is the way to properly run a gatewayed subscriber-only list.
Also, people who want to submit via Usenet are still able to do so:
they'd have to subscribe via the LISTSERV (and then issue 'set nomail'
command, if they want to receive no list traffic via email but rather
follow it in b.l.h - a practice I consider strongly counter-indicated, by
the way), but afterwards their posts would be approved via netnews just
the same as via email.

--
 Zoli , keeper of <http://www.hix.com/hungarian-faq/>;
*SELLERS BEWARE: I will never buy anything from companies associated
*with inappropriate online advertising (unsolicited commercial email,
*excessive multiposting etc), and discourage others from doing so too!

 Visit 'Boycott Internet Spam' <http://www.vix.com/spam/>;
+ - Re: The Compromise of 1867 (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >, jeliko
> writes:

>Sam you are getting into a little deep. Jelacic was a Ban of the Croats.
He
>was leading the first invasion army against the then legal Hungarian
>government. He was rather badly beaten and decided rather hurriedly to go
>back to Croatia. (There still is a mounted statue of him in the main
square
>in Zagreb, erected after 1919, with his sword pointed toward Budapest.
May
>all armies, would have been as successful as his, against Hungary or the
>Hungarians. In that case, I am sure even the Hungarians would also erect
>statues to the leaders of those armies in their homelands.)

I've got to get down to the local library and check out the book about
Kossuth and the revolution that I read last fall so I can refresh myself
on the details. Last time I read it, Jelacic led an invasion army against
Batthyany's rebel government, drove it out of the crown lands south of
Szeged and did so with the full knowledge, approval and legal
authorization of the Austrian government. And he was relatively successful
at it.

<sznip>

>And didn't the Hungarian rebels spend a lot of time and
>>available manpower sending armies into Erdely during 1848-49 (including
>>General Bem, I think, at some point) trying to keep the Romanian
peasants
>>down?
>
>Again the major battles by Bem were against the remnant Habsburg oriented
>armies and against the Saxons who also stayed loyal to the Habsburgs.
There
>was a Romanian
>peasant uprising, somewhat successful, but it was in the central
>Transylavnian area. Bem was not particularly involved with those folks.
>
>Then of coursee Bem also spent a fair time against the Russians. Except
for
>that central Transylvanian region, and at one time in the Voyvodina area,
in
>most cases regular Habsburg troops were involved. Of course, I am sure
they
>were happy to arm and get help from anyone. But it was much more complex
>than you indicate. Please remember
>that there were imperial garrisons in many places in the geographic area
>that was considered Hungary at that time.
>
>That doesn't sound miniscule to me. It sounds like it might have
>>drawn off enough manpower and resources to make it easier for the
>>Austrians and the Russians to move in.
>
>Naturally, the Habsburg enticed and armed folks were a problem and took
up
>resources.
>But, those were not the major efforts in that war. It was when the
Russians
>got involved that the Fat Lady was singing the imperial anthem.

Lovely image, isn't it? I think we have a difference in interpretation at
work here, all of which boils down to the question of how important the
resistance to Hungarian rule from minorities in the Hungarian part of the
empire was during 1848-49. A nationalist interpretation would seek to
minimize the impact of that resistance, otherwise it would have to account
for the unpopularity of Magyarization efforts by the rebel government.
Didn't do 'em much good either in the long run, did it? After all, the
Hungarian governments after 1867 pretty much picked up from where Kossuth
& co. left off in the cultural assimilation sweepstakes. Let's see what
Eva B. has to say.
Sam Stowe
>
>Regards,Jeliko.
>
>



"The truth comes in
a strange door."
-- Francis Bacon
+ - Re: Hungarian Frog Legs (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >, Joe Szalai
> writes:

>
>The only problem I have with frog legs is that they're not readily
available
>in the stores around here.

Frog legs are more problematic than just being unavailable. Ever tried to
fit them with a pair of trousers? I rest my case.
Sam Stowe
>
>Joe Szalai
>
>



"The truth comes in
a strange door."
-- Francis Bacon
+ - Galbraight and Soros (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 09:44 PM 1/18/97 EST, you wrote:
>Felado : Bozoki Barnabas
>Temakor: Re: Soros anti-Capitalist? ( 47 sor )
>
"The Globe and Mail" published extensive excerpts from John Kenneth
>Galbrait's lecture at the University of Toronto. The 88-years-old
>distinguished economics professor from Harvard University was qouted to say
>for example:
>
>  "Let us also be fully aware of another circumstance: The survival and
>acceptance of the modern market system was, in large measure, the
>accomplishment of the socially concerned."
> ============================================================================
===========

After a long carrier of disseminating socialist propaganda, John Kenneth
Galbraight still does not get it. He wants to take credit for the evolution
of the capitalist system, which indeed is a living system capable of
changing, modifying and improving all the time. This is possible because it
is a flexible system without ideology, versus the static socialism, where
proposing changes would be heresy. The superiority of the capitalist system
over the static, dead socialism is clear. Capitalism, according to AYAN
RAND, has only two basic principles:

1./ Individual freedom.
2./ The right to own private property.

Interestingly these two principles were totally missing in socialist
countries, but Galbraight need not be despondent, he still has Castro, North
Korea, Vietnam and China to listen to his outdated theories.

As for Soros' fear of capitalism, it sounds to me hypocritical. I was always
of the opinion, that capitalism was not threatened by socialism, but
monopol-capitalism. But that is another story.

Alexander Szegedy
+ - Re: Toronto Star. (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 02:46 PM 1/19/97 -0500, Andy Kozma wrote:
>I think,even if you haven't heard from me for a while this ltle article will
>awbser a lot of questions.
>Apparently this article was written 50 years ago,but appeared in Sundays paper
.

        I just wanted to say. Gailbraith? Criticism of capitalism? And what
is new in this. He has been saying the same thing for about sixty-six years.

        Eva Balogh
+ - Re: Powerful nations can make choices (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 02:06 PM 1/19/97 -0500, Janos Zsargo wrote:

>I think the main ideas governing the hungarian policy during WWII were
>revisionism, anticommunism and staying out the conflict if possible. The
>most important was the revisionism, get back territories for almost any
>cost. This caused the state of war between England and Hungary. The
>Hungarian goverment could not resist the temptation to get control over
>Vajdasag. The Brittish were clear if Hungary joined the war against Yugoslavia
>that would mean war against England as well.
>The war against Russia is a different story, I think. The Hungarian
>government wanted to gain some good points at Hitler. Also the
>anticommunism was a factor, too. I agree, to join that war was a
>mistake. Hungary should have avoided to get involved in Russia,
>however the 'eventual faith of Hungary' surely would not have been
>different (German and Russian occupation). We would have saved a
>lots of life and might have gained some *moral credit*.
>However, to enter the German-Russian war is an obvious mistake
>from our viewpoint today, knowing the outcome of that war.
>In 1941 a lots of people thought and not only on the axis side,
>that the war in Russia would be short and easy one for Germany.

        My God, this is almost 100 percent right as far as I am concerned.
Two small corrections though: (1) By invading Yugoslavia alongside the
Germans didn't mean war immediately with England. Only the severence of
diplomatic relations. But it certainly didn't gain brownie points either.
(2) Although it is most likely that Hungary wouldn't have avoided the forty
years of sattelite status by not entering the war against Russia, but--and
this is not an insignificant but--she might have ended up a bit bigger at
the expense of Slovakia and Romania because of Slovakia's and Romania's
involvement on the side of Germany. And we are talking about one million
Hungarian-speaking people!! Maybe more. Not immaterial at all.

        Eva Balogh
+ - Re: Galbraight and Soros (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

> After a long carrier of disseminating socialist propaganda, John Kenneth
> Galbraight still does not get it. He wants to take credit for the evolution
> of the capitalist system, which indeed is a living system capable of
> changing, modifying and improving all the time. This is possible because it
> is a flexible system without ideology, versus the static socialism, where
> proposing changes would be heresy. The superiority of the capitalist system
> over the static, dead socialism is clear.

over a totalitarian, undemocratic socialism. However there are dozens
of totalitarian capitalist countries, and even in the ones that
officially are democratic,



>
> 1./ Individual freedom.
> 2./ The right to own private property.
>

There is no individual freedom for the people who do not own private
property, and there is no chance of owning private property for the
majority of the people, however much right they have.
(I hope you are aware, that by private property I don't mean
personal property.)


> As for Soros' fear of capitalism, it sounds to me hypocritical. I was always
> of the opinion, that capitalism was not threatened by socialism, but
> monopol-capitalism. But that is another story.
>
> Alexander Szegedy
>

Capitalism is not capable of renewal, your idea of going back to
free-for-all capitalism is shortsidedness, remember, there was a good
reason for interventionism to evolve. The problem is, that the
structure cannot afford such  luxuries anymore.

I don't think it is such a good thing that the system has no
moral backup, no ideology. Why do you think fundamentalist bigottry
is so successful, whether christian,  islamist or some wierd new-age
hocus-pocus.     You cannot blame
the selfishness and the breakdown of human relationships on anything
else but the money-orientated system.   People are looking forward to
have a positive idea for the future. Capitalism cannot provide it.

+ - Re: Powerful nations can make choices (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

E.Balogh wrote:

>Two small corrections though: (1) By invading Yugoslavia alongside the
>Germans didn't mean war immediately with England. Only the severence of
>diplomatic relations. But it certainly didn't gain brownie points either.

As far as I know the Brits handed a diplomatic note (diplomaciai jegyzeket)
to each of the Hungarian, Romanian and Bulgarian government, which warned these
contries that if they let the German army use their teritorry for attaking
Yugoslavia the diplomatic relations would be severed and if they actively took
part in the attack, they could consider themselves in war against
 Great-Brittain.

>(2) Although it is most likely that Hungary wouldn't have avoided the forty
>years of sattelite status by not entering the war against Russia, but--and
>this is not an insignificant but--she might have ended up a bit bigger at
>the expense of Slovakia and Romania because of Slovakia's and Romania's
>involvement on the side of Germany. And we are talking about one million
>Hungarian-speaking people!! Maybe more. Not immaterial at all.

I don't know, I doubt that anything could have gained on the expense of
Slovakia, but maybe we could gained part of Erdely. I doubt however, that Horty
could have done the necessery political 'koteltanc'. Don't forget the
Romanians were much better in such game, their policy was much more
flexible. They change side like others their shirts. First they betrayed
England and later Germany, whatever was more benificial.

J.Zs
+ - Re: Powerful nations can make choices (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

>The last straw was Janos Monoki's posting suggesting that people who condemn
>communists are in fact communists.  I looked up his home-page
>(http://www.tiszanet.hu/~lmonoki/personal.htm) and found out that Monoki
>elvtars spent 6 years (1986-1992) at the Military Technical Academia of
>Warsaw, Poland.
>
>You had to be a dirty, good-for-nothing communist traitor to enter that a
>Polish military academia at the time good, honest, Polish patriots were
>murdered under military rule.
>
>The communists are coming out from all over this list.  I want nothing more of
>this communist garbage.  I am sending a copy of this to Zoli Fekete,
>requesting that he remove my name from this list.

Just for your information tovarish "proli" :

1. My name is not Janos, but Lajos. If I would be so "smart" as you I surely
would not insert my homepage in my signature in my personal letter to you.
2. I entered the Academy in 1986: after the "stan wojenny", in the time of
my studies Jaruzelski and his government was in stepping out, there were a
"round table" agreement with Solidarity and other civil forcees.
3. As you noticed, I was there from 1986 to 1992. Maybe you didn't notice,
but from 1990 there was liberal and then a right-wing government in Poland.
You really think they were murdering Polish patriots? I think you should
visit your doctor or even better to go back to the hospital:)
4. Sometimes communists coming out from all over this list, stating they are
"good patriots" - I just wonder why Lippai escaped Hungary in 1956. As a
proli getting to the university with the help of Ra'kosi pajta's, mybe he
was afraid of the revolution:)

Zoli Fekete can be more than happy to remove you from this list:) BTW: If
you were not a dumb proli, you can get yourself off the list without
anybody's help. No wonder you have not finished Technical University:)))

Lajos Monoki (AKA Janos by Lippai:)
+ - Re: garbage-man (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

>At 10:34 AM 1/19/97 -0500, Gabor Farkas wrote:
>>At 01:45 PM 1/19/97 UT, the garbage-man  wrote:
>>
>>> I am sending a copy of this to Zoli Fekete,
>>>requesting that he remove my name from this list.
>>
>>This would be the best news of the year (IMHO - I guess this puts me on his
>>list of communist garbage).
>
>        Definitely, Gabor! I am glad that you are there with Lajos, Joe,
>Aniko, Sam, Marina, myself and many more. I can't speak for the others, but
>I would have been very disappointed if you had been excluded.
>
>        Eva Balogh
>

Sometimes it is more fun to be in a garbage can, than to be with the dustmen.

Lajos Monoki
+ - Re: Please severe all my contacts with this list (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

>Kedves Zoli,
>
>I wish to severe all my contacts from the HUNGARY mailing list (Hungarian
>Discussion
>List).
>
>This is NOT a Hungarian list.  This list is dominated by a small group of
>people with pro-Communist, anti-Hungarian, anti-American sentiments.
>
>I had all I could take.
>
>Thank you.
>
>Istvan Lippai

I am sorry for everybody not speaking Hungarian, I write it to this
mastermind in Hungarian, maybe he will understand.

Te nagyeszu proletar, ez igy nem fog menni! Ha ki akarsz lepni a listabol,
kuldj egy levelet az alabbiak szerint:

cimzett(ezt valoszinuleg To:-kent latod a mail-programodban)
          
a level szovegeben (Body, gy. k.)
          SIGNOFF  HUNGARY

Alairnod nem kell, semmi mast ne irj bele. Ez az eljaras ervenyes minden
listara. Mellesleg amikor feliratkoztal, kaptal egy levelet, amiben ez le
vagyon irva. Igaz, angolul. Az is igaz, hogy mar lassan ket honapja
lehetett. Ilyen szellemi teljesitmenyt tenyleg ne varjunk el toled.

Remelem sikerul kilepned a listarol. Ha barmilyen technikai problemad lenne
az Internet (vagy a szamitogep) hasznalataval kapcsolatban, csak irj. Meg
egy magamfajta good-for-nothing is szivesen segit:) Hacsak nem vagy tul
fafeju, hogy segitseget kerj.

Bye,

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