Hollosi Information eXchange /HIX/
HIX HUNGARY 112
Copyright (C) HIX
1994-10-22
Új cikk beküldése (a cikk tartalma az író felelőssége)
Megrendelés Lemondás
1 Re: 1989, 1919 (mind)  35 sor     (cikkei)
2 Re: Anti-semitism (mind)  14 sor     (cikkei)
3 SLOPPY (mind)  16 sor     (cikkei)
4 Hungarian Heritage Review (mind)  20 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: Anti-semitism (mind)  68 sor     (cikkei)
6 Wanted: History recommendations.. (mind)  11 sor     (cikkei)
7 Peto conductor wanted for CONDUCTIVE EDUCATION (mind)  26 sor     (cikkei)
8 Paper on Hungary and Central Europe (mind)  9 sor     (cikkei)
9 Re: 1989, 1919 (mind)  15 sor     (cikkei)
10 Re: Paper on Hungary and Central Europe (mind)  10 sor     (cikkei)
11 Re: Collapse of Communism (mind)  32 sor     (cikkei)
12 TOTALITARIANISM (mind)  13 sor     (cikkei)
13 Who is Kindley? (mind)  5 sor     (cikkei)
14 Re: The vote for... Hungarians-- at least 3 (mind)  20 sor     (cikkei)
15 Re: The vote for overseas Hungarians (Was: Re: (mind)  16 sor     (cikkei)
16 Anti-semitism (mind)  12 sor     (cikkei)
17 Peto conductor wanted for CONDUVTIVE EDUCATION (mind)  31 sor     (cikkei)
18 Re: Nuclear Power (mind)  6 sor     (cikkei)
19 Re: Anti-semitism (mind)  24 sor     (cikkei)
20 Re: Wrong analogy, varieties of political murder (mind)  58 sor     (cikkei)
21 Re: Wrong analogy, varieties of political murder (mind)  15 sor     (cikkei)
22 Re: Gosztonyi, Gro1sz (mind)  44 sor     (cikkei)
23 Re: Collapse of Communism (mind)  10 sor     (cikkei)
24 Governor's race New York (mind)  19 sor     (cikkei)
25 New - (Ja'nim Guszta'v) (mind)  15 sor     (cikkei)
26 Re: Collapse of Communism (mind)  9 sor     (cikkei)
27 Re: Governor's race New York (mind)  11 sor     (cikkei)
28 ONLINE ORSZAGHAZ (mind)  51 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: 1989, 1919 (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Greg Grose writes:
> Are you maintaining that the enormous resources diverted to arms in the SU
> didn't have an affect on the system's resiliancy or longevity?
Of course these had an effect. But the fact that the SU diverted enormous
resources to the arms buildup wasn't the result of some Western European (or
US) policy, process, attitude, or event: the SU did it because it had
imperialistic designs.  It requires a fair amount of naivity to assume that
the SU armed "only in defense" especially after Afghanistan. In fact they
could have diverted these resources to peaceful uses, without risking a NATO
invasion. They didn't, and have only themselves to blame. In other words,
the answer to your question

> Was there a correlation between the West's military posture and the
> SU's spending?

is negative at least since Helsinki, which ended all supposed military
threat to the Soviet sphere of interest. (I assume you mean "cause and
effect relationship" rather than "correlation" in the mathematical sense --
these are two different issues.) The point is that the SU had reasonable
security guarantees but decided to continue with the arms race as long as it
could, and some time after -- the fact that Star Wars was about defensive
buildup just makes this even clearer. At any rate, the only credible
military threat against the SU was China, who got licked in the border
skirmishes so badly that they have given up, for the time being, on trying
anything funny.  So I find myself agreeing with Jeliko1 that "it was not the
build-up itself that threatened them but their own internal response to it".
Glen of course is right in pointing out that noone can know for sure (since
we don't have a parallel universe in which everything went the same except
Ronnie didn't get a chance to do the Raygun bit) but my feeling is that if
you don't want to arm nothing can force you to do so, not even the gravest
threats.

"Ahimsa is the sea-shell of Buddha"

Andra1s Kornai
+ - Re: Anti-semitism (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Marc wrote:
j
> I forget who it was, but a member of the former parliament (do not know if he
> was re-elected) not too long ago called George Soros" a filthy jew, sticking
> his nose in other peoples business " after Soros announced he was moved his
> Central European University to Budapest.

I am still waiting when is somebody going to jump on you for such sloppy,
unsupported statement.  Count your blessings for "my side" being more
lenient than yours. ;-)

But really, when you find out who that former MP was, let me know.

Joe
+ - SLOPPY (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

JOE TOLD ME:
> I am still waiting when is somebody going to jump on you for such sloppy,
> unsupported statement.  Count your blessings for "my side" being more
> lenient than yours. ;-)

Sloppy?  Me?  HA!  Well I have gotten away with it so far.  Hey I admitted my
sloppiness, I admitted that my statement was unsupported, very vague
recollections have I, but very often some more intellegent person than I will
come in and fill in the gaps.  I am no academic, I am certainlu not an
intellectual, I am just a 20-year old small town redneck (son of a hungarian
welder) trying to expand my knowledge a bit.  (a 2-bit guy in a 32-bit world).
Forgive me damn it!!!...:-)..marc

I will ask my father, (the hungarian welder) what the name of that MP was.  I
actually read it in Magyar Hirek but my hungarian is so bad (I speak with a
Maine accent) that I could have easily misread it.  Will get back to you Joe!
+ - Hungarian Heritage Review (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Until Nov. 1991 I used to receive an interesting magazine, the "Hungarian
Heritage Review". This was the official publication of the Rakoczi
Foundation. It proudly advertised its goals as follows:
  1. To help bridge the "language-barrier" between our "Forgotten Generation"
     of American and Canadian born citizens of Hungarian descent and the
     mainstream of our Hungarian community life, by this means, to help
     revitalize it in order to assure the preservation and perpetuation of
     our Hungarian Heritage.
  2. To help enhance the public image of our Hungarian community at-large
     within the structure of the pluralistic societies the United States and
     Canada have become.
  3. To foster better public knowledge of and appreciation for the
     outstanding Hungarian contributions toward the quality of life in North
     America.
It seems that these worthy goals did not get enough support. Does anybody
know why did it die so suddenly? It's publisher was Paul Pulitzer, and it had
a New Jersey address. There was no announcement in the last issue about its
imminent demise. Is there an other publication with similar objectives?

Barni Bozoki
+ - Re: Anti-semitism (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Subject: Re: Anti-semitism
From: paul, 
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 20:25:17 EDT
In article > paul,
 writes:
> Adam wrote:

>>You were asking in what ways anti-semitism manifests itself in Hungary.
I have
>>lived in BUdapest most of my life, so I can only speak for Budapest, but
>>considering that a fifth of the Hungarian population lives there
Budapest is
>>quite significant. So, if you ever get a chance to, walk around in
different
>>areas of Budapest wearing a well visible Star of David on your necklace.
>>Compare the reactions you get with the reactions you get if you do the
same
>>thing wearing a 3-inch-long cross! I guarantee, that you will notice the
>>.
>>.


>To understand how up to date this is, can I ask how recently you lived in
>Budapest?  I ask because I assume you do not live there now since your
e-mail
>address is a U.S. address: 


>Does anyone know if this is still the case now, or is this old
information?

i was last in budapest in 1993. speaking. jewish people i know there told
me, when i saked, that it was increasingly true.

>If so, I'm surprised,

life is full of surprises.

> since I was reading in a Hungarian hhistory book that
>before WWII, and possibley before WWI, when American Jews were trying to
>stir up touble among Hungarian Jews, the Hungarian Jews responded that,
>whatever you do in the case of Hungary, do it to help the whole country,
>but do not cause trouble here (more or less).

very few of the jews from hungary i know feel that they are not subjected
to anti-semitism.

> I can look up the name of the
>book if anyone cares -

please do.

>I think it is a common one everyone would know about
>or own.  My impression from the few pages I read was that religous
tension
>was minor.

anti-semitism is not so much a case of religious intolreance (although
that is part of its origin) as a form of racialism. its targets are not
only those who ascribe to judaism as a religion but just as much
secular jews, even people who disclaim any "jewishness" but are of
jewish background.


if you want references, just look up any set of archives on the jewish
laws in hungary in the 30's and 40's for a start.

d.a.
+ - Wanted: History recommendations.. (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I am looking for recommendations on texts regarding recent and
contemporary Hungarian history. There's a small collection of Hungarian
history texts at my University, but I'm looking for a more extensive
lists of recommended ones. Any other  resources that I might find
interesting would be greatly appreciated.

.jason
--
Mail     
Finger    (default:short)
WWW      http://enuxsa.eas.asu.edu/~jvagner/
+ - Peto conductor wanted for CONDUCTIVE EDUCATION (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Wanted for the first Peto project in the Netherlands: An experienced conductor
for three years.
(the Peto method is a method for the education of Cerebral Palsy , spastic
children)

The wellknown rehabilitation centre 'Heliomare' in Wijk aan Zee, The
Netherlands, will start a Peto project in a few months. The institute is
looking for someone, educated at the Peto institute in Budapest, Hungary. She
(or he) must have experience in giving Conductive Education to C.P. children
in the age of 3 to 8 years.
The institute offers good earnings and conditions of employment.
Candidates and people with specific questions should contact

Drs. A M v.d. Hoek, projectleader conductive education,
M.S.G. Heliomare,
Relweg 51,
1949 EC,    Wijk aan Zee, The Netherlands.
tel: (in the Netherlands) 02510-88256
fax: (in the Netherlands) 02510-88453

for more details about the project and the position offered.
You can alse use e-mail: 
Tom Welter. Faculty of Human Movement Sciences,
Vrije Universiteit, v.d. Boechorststraat 9,
1081 BT, Amsterdam, The Netherlands.
e-mail: 
+ - Paper on Hungary and Central Europe (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I am writing a research paper on the effects of economic transformation
on society in Central Europe, and I was wondering if anyone has
suggestions for readings.  Since it is such a contemporary issue I am
having trouble finding material in this subject.

If you have any ideas, or comments about the subject, please email me at
.

Zoli
+ - Re: 1989, 1919 (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Andra1s Kornai writes:

> So I find myself agreeing with Jeliko1 that "it was not the
> build-up itself that threatened them but their own internal response to it".

Well, we'll leave it at that then, since I think this is only a semantic
difference.

For another point of view, a colleague here suggested that, more than
anything else, it was with information that the West weakened the SU. (I mean,
the SU's internal response was in the form of weakening.)  According to
this point of view, it was the ever-increasing, ever-increasingly-obvious
disparity in economic conditions that led to collapse.

--Greg
+ - Re: Paper on Hungary and Central Europe (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I attend Indiana University, where we have one of the preeminent scholars on
Hungary's economic transition.  His name is Paul Marer, and he has
written  at least two books on the subject.  The first is called
something like "Hungary in Transition to Freedom and Prosperity", the
other I don't know off hand.  They are the result of research he
organized in affiliation with the Hudson Institute, called the Blue
Ribbon Commmission, a joint Hungarian/international commission which
advised the Hungarian government of its transformation from Communism to
free market economy.  The first book I read, the second was just
published.  I think these are good sources for you.  Good luck!
+ - Re: Collapse of Communism (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Glen Camp reminds us of a useful fact--there have been very few *documented*
totalitarian systems ever in world history, so what we can say about them isi-
very limited.  Most mainstream political scientists limit the term "totali-
tarian" to the Nazi Third Reich, *Stalin's* system in the USSR, and Mao's
China.  As Camp notes, the Nazi system was the only one to fall via military
defeat.  Stalin's system was, it is now generally agreed, transformed almost
immediately after his death, as was Mao's.  What collapsed in Gorbachev's
USSR and in Eastern Europe was a "post-Communist" system--repressive, ruled
by a bureaucratized government controlled by an organization that still
called itself the "Communist Party," but no longer totalitarian.  China
still presents an intriguing puzzle.

These questions of definition do not, of course, provide any answer to the
question, "Why did the USSR and the East European Communist systems collapse
when and how they did?"  On the basis of our past record, political scientists
are going to be a long while figuring this out.  For what is still for my
money the bery best treatment of the defining characteristics of the Nazi
and Soviet (but not the Maoist) totalitarian systems, *truly* interested
persons might want to try plowing through Hannah Arendt's "Origins of Totali-
tarianism," which has been largely ingnored of late, but which is indispen-
sable to an understanding of the totalitarian phenomena.

Incidentally, Arendt and one or two recent American political scientists have
explored the possibility that Shaka's 19th century Zulu kingdom in South
Africa may have been at least quasi-totalitarian.  If anyone is interested,
I can dig up the reference to a recent pol. sci. article on this topic.
Whether it will shed any light on the transformation of Eastern Europe is
an open question.

Keep having fun!
Be1la

+ - TOTALITARIANISM (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

The Third Reich, The Soviet Union, Mao's China and possibly Shaka's Zulu
empire are considered totalitarian (or at least quasi).  But why not Franco's
Spain, Pinnochet's Chile, Castro's Cuba, Ho Chi Mihn's Vietnam, Papa/Baby Doc's
Haiti, Hussein's Irak and so on... Why would these regimes not be considered
totalitarian?  How about Europe in the middle ages?

Another thought:  Would the Third Reich and the Soviet Union possibly existed
as truly Totalitarian without the invention of such things as the machine gun,
the automobile, the telephone, radio, rocket warfare ect;  In other words did
technology play a significant role in sustaining (if only temporarily) these
totalitarian regimes?

Just some thoughts....marc
+ - Who is Kindley? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Dear (...) Kindley,
are you Hungarian? I am asking you, because I am also at the U of M, and
it would be nice to know some more Hungarians in the neighbourhood.

Thanks, Arpad.
+ - Re: The vote for... Hungarians-- at least 3 (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >, > writes:

[... deleted ...]

>
> in several swiss cantons, resident foreign citizens are entitled to vote
> in local elections. i believe the same is true of a number of other
> western
> european countries.

As for Switzerland, I am not aware of this possibility. There was
a referendum on the subject only a couple of months ago and the
souvereign (people) said NO. Maybe the people are double nationals?

But, in the European Union countries, citizens of a different EU
country indeed have a possibility to vote and to be elected in local
elections. There already are concrete examples, I am aware of examples
in France.

Roman Kanala
+ - Re: The vote for overseas Hungarians (Was: Re: (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >, > writes:
> Subject: Re: The vote for overseas Hungarians (Was: Re:
> From: W. BATKAY, 
> Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 00:23:00 EST
> Greg asks--
>
>>Do other European states allow non-resident citizens to vote?
>
> switzerland and germany do
>
> d.a.

In Switzerland, there is a possibility to vote in anticipation,
abroad, and even par correspondance or par procurationem.

Roman Kanala
+ - Anti-semitism (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Matt, you wrotw that the fact, that people in Budapest might react negatively t
o
somebody walking around wearing a Star of David, did not show anti-semitism.
(You - jokingly? - suggested that you might have gotten some strange looks due
to your bad breath...)
Firstly, it rarely happens that somebody tries to beat you up 'cause you have
bad breath. Secondly, I do believe that it DOES indicate the general idea
people have about Jews if you get negative reactions (remarks, etc.) if you
make your ethnicity visible. You do have a point that there are Jews who are
prejudiced against Gentiles, but that certainly does not change the fact that
there are anti-semitic Gentiles! The phenomenon is present on both sides, and
the presence on one side does not eliminate the presence on the other side.
+ - Peto conductor wanted for CONDUVTIVE EDUCATION (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

We have posted this news in two newsgroups where jobs are being offered but
since the group of people that we are looking for is mainly Hungarian we
thought we could post in this newsgroup also.

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
Wanted for the first Peto project in the Netherlands: An experienced
conductorfor three years.(the Peto method is a method for the education of
Cerebral Palsy , spastic children)

The wellknown rehabilitation centre 'Heliomare' in Wijk aan Zee, The
Netherlands, will start a Peto project in a few months. The institute is
looking for someone, educated at the Peto institute in Budapest, Hungary. She
(or he) must have experience in giving Conductive Education to C.P. children
in the age of 3 to 8 years.
The institute offers good earnings and conditions of employment.
Candidates and people with specific questions should contact

Drs. A M v.d. Hoek, projectleader conductive education,
M.S.G. Heliomare,
Relweg 51,
1949 EC,    Wijk aan Zee, The Netherlands.
tel: (in the Netherlands) 02510-88256
fax: (in the Netherlands) 02510-88453

for more details about the project and the position offered.
You can alse use e-mail: 
Tom Welter. Faculty of Human Movement Sciences,
Vrije Universiteit, v.d. Boechorststraat 9,
1081 BT, Amsterdam, The Netherlands.
e-mail: 
+ - Re: Nuclear Power (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

H Marc writes:

> Safe nuclear power?  Is that not an oxymoron, like Military intellegence?
                                                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Obviously not just "military"
Regards,Jeliko.
+ - Re: Anti-semitism (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

H Marc writes:
> Sorry I can not be more precise on the details, but anti-semitism is
still
> alive and well in Hungary (as it is in most of Eastern Europe, and
Russia).
>  ...marc

I am puzzled. After WWII more Jews returned to Hungary from nazi
concentration camps than to any other country in Eastern Europe. The
leaders of the government who were responsible for the mistreatment
of the Jews were severly punished. The subsequent government had many
prominent Jews. The current government has many promninent Jews. Today,
there is a well established and economically well off Jewish community in
Hungary. I am not going to discuss additional details about the livelihood
and freedoms of the Jewish community in Hungary, it is available to all.

In spite of this, there is a near hysterical denouncing of Hungary by
several list posters as an antisemitic place. If the place is so hated why
were so many interested in returning there and still living there?

Is the antisemitism claimed to be demonstarted against Jews in Hungary is
as a religion, as a race, or as a nation (Israel)?

Regards,Jeliko.
+ - Re: Wrong analogy, varieties of political murder (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Glen Camp writes:
>         A technical knowledge of nuclear fuels is unfortunately not
enough
> to assess the moral and political and "grand strategy" problems of US-
> Soviet relations.  It helps, but it's not decisive.  The problem is
diplo-
> matic as well as technical and enormously controvsersial as witness the
Please believeme I am familiar with more than just the technical aspects of
nuclear technology. While, that by itself is insufficient for the
evaluation, it is needed for being able to make relevant judgements.

> flap over the recent KGB attack on Oppenheimer et al.  My advisor Adam
> Ulam in reviewing "Special Operations" concluded that Oppie was *not* in
> any way involved

Neither an accusation nor someone's opinion to the contrary is a fact. It
is difficult to substantiate either at the present time.

>but whether the Rosenbergs were is still an open question
> in my mind.  They were offered life for confessing and opted to be
electro-
> cuted so they were clearly ideologically committed to Communism (which I
> naturally despise).  But committment does not equal treason, please
They were not executed for their committment to communism but for being
spies. Two different issues.

> remember
> Mr. Justice Holmes' dictum in a somewhat similar case (U.S. v. Schwimmer)
> when a Hungarian pacifist woman was denied citizenship because she
refused
> to bear arms: "We must protect the thought that we hate."
This is an apples and oranges case. Schwimmer was not a spy.

>         As to Silkwood, her factory was--as you state run by Kerr-McGee
and
> was alleged to have serious safety problems.  She was run off the road
and
> killed just before testifying to a U.S. Senate staffer about the problems
> at her factory.  Maybe it was an accident and maybe not.

OK. So it was a fuel factory and not a power plant. I am not going to
discauss an accident to which there were no witnesses and the subsequent
what ifs.

>         P.S. I am not against nuclear power at all, I just want it to be
> safe.  One Chrnobyl and one Three Mile Island is enough for me!

Then you are discussing the perception of safety and not safety itself.
Nobody was hurt by TMI, Chernobyl was from a health effects standpoint a
middle scale accident with very different technology than used in the west.
Compared to ocean ferries, Bhopal, most airplanes, automobiles and almost
any other industry, nuclear power is a very safe method of energy
generation. You may feel comfortable with hundreds of miners dieing each
year or hundreds of people killed by coal trains each year and the millions
of tons of sulfur dioxide and nitric oxides releases into the air, but that
is your privilage. I do not have to agree with your opinion.

Regards,Jeliko
+ - Re: Wrong analogy, varieties of political murder (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Glen Camp writes:

>         On Joe Hill, you have to realize that he was a naive radical
romantic
> like most Wobblies.  As an anarchist, however, he was as far from a
state-
> centered autocratic ideology such as Marxism-Leninism as could be
imagined.

Before we romanticise too much the anarchists as "poetic" and "romantic"
we may recall that one of their approved tenets was assasination of those
who opposed them or was percieved by them as potentially preventing their
rule.

Regards,Jeliko.
+ - Re: Gosztonyi, Gro1sz (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Greg writes:
> Jeliko writes:

> > However, it was not the build-up itself that threatened
> > them but their own internal response to it.

> Yes, although I suppose some would argue that the Soviet
> system's nature required the response we saw; but
> that's another discussion.

> --Greg
One of the interesting developments was the economic well being of
personnel in the closed cities involved with high tech responses to the
Reagan build-up. The facilities had excellent equipment, as good as
obtainable in the west. (this inspite of the embargo which was violated by
many indirect routes, a la " you will sell us the shovel to bury you").
However, the concentration of the meager resources on the military sector
and the total lack of technology fall-out into the non-military sector,
speedily caused the deterioration of the already fallen bihind civilian
economy. To this one can add the additional stratification of Soviet
society, the ones living in the closed cities had a much better life style
than the rest of the population. Thus a smaller and smaller segment of the
population had a closer to the previous "mean" lifestyle. The work moral
further deteriorated in the non-military sector and with a less believed
"foreign" threat the acceptance of the decreasing living standard was not
accepted by the people en block.

I am sure that some folks in various leadership position realized the
consequences, but it was too late and probably the system could not respond
to the changes in a "western accepted" manner. The stratification further
increased and the industrial productivity in actual terms (not the govt.
propaganda basis) further decreased and there was just about zero funding
put into the maintenance or improvement of the infrastructure. Finally it
reached the bread and circus stage and apparently today that is not as
nurishing as it was when invented. Talking to many Russians and other
nationalities none of them have a single item or moment when the collapse
was evident, they all list several divergent causes and many of them blame
Gorbachev and Yeltsin for the current state of affairs. It was more than a
Potemkin village, but mainly by putting even more stress and showy
supertstucture on the non-existent foundation. IMHO, the stress put on the
system not only on the political regime by trying to keep up with the
Jones's of the Reagan arms build-up was the final straw.

Regards,Jeliko.
+ - Re: Collapse of Communism (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

H Marc writes:

> that was the 1980s.  The real motives behind Reagan's build-up had very
little
> to do with the Soviet Union.  These motives were mostly internal
ones...marc

These are your opinions. Do not state them as facts please.

Regards,Jeliko.
+ - Governor's race New York (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Some time ago there was a question about Pataki. The following are quotes
from a Pataki letter:
"I learned a lot that night from my grandparents, John and Erzsebet, who
came from Hungary in their youth and bought a farm in Peekskill, New York,
where my mother still lives and runs a vegetable stand."

" The work ethic they taught me gave me the opprotunity to earn academic
scholarships to Yale University and Columbia Law School."

" In the legislature I not only represented my district, but as Chairman of
the Hungarian Caucus, I represented all Hungarian-Americans (186,898 of us,
according to the 1990 Census) throughout the state."

" My Hungarian roots are very important to me. As The first
Hungarian-American Governor of any state and the highest-elected
Hungarian-American official in America, one of my first trips abroad, as a
Governor, will be to Hungary"

Regards,Jeliko.
+ - New - (Ja'nim Guszta'v) (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Greetings!
On behalf of Zsuzsa Ja'sdi (niece of G. Ja'ni), I would like to get
some info/direction as to forums and/or e-mail correspondence,
conducted IN HUNGARIAN, on topics similar to the ones, this group
seems to be engaged in.(i.e. H-history, current events etc..)
She's been living in the U.S. for the past few years, however
her command of the language (english) is very limited. She would
like to join this group if it wasn't for the communication barrier.
If this is not the right forum for this posting, I apologize.
Thank you for your help in advance!

Please send e-mail to:
-USTO

Please, start your correspondence with (- Ja'sdi -)
+ - Re: Collapse of Communism (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Bill Batkay writes:

>  Most mainstream political scientists limit the term "totali-
> tarian" to the Nazi Third Reich, *Stalin's* system in the USSR, and Mao's
> China.

So where would you put North Korea and Fidel's Cuba?

Joe
+ - Re: Governor's race New York (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Jeliko, quoting George Pataki:

> " My Hungarian roots are very important to me. As The first
> Hungarian-American Governor of any state and the highest-elected
> Hungarian-American official in America, one of my first trips abroad, as a
> Governor, will be to Hungary"

All right!  Now how can I send him some campaign contribution?
BTW, what is his politics overall?

Joe
+ - ONLINE ORSZAGHAZ (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

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