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1 Re: More news items and musings (mind)  42 sor     (cikkei)
2 60 Minutes and E-mail (mind)  16 sor     (cikkei)
3 Re: Czech connection? (mind)  40 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: More news items and musings (mind)  66 sor     (cikkei)
5 Gays in Hungary (mind)  76 sor     (cikkei)
6 Re: More news items and musings (mind)  125 sor     (cikkei)
7 Re: American needs Hungarian cultural help (mind)  32 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: Hungarian kings' remains (mind)  31 sor     (cikkei)
9 Re: More news items and musings (mind)  72 sor     (cikkei)
10 Re: *** HUNGARY *** #700 (mind)  9 sor     (cikkei)
11 Re: Who denounced NPA? (mind)  41 sor     (cikkei)
12 Re: More news items and musings (mind)  12 sor     (cikkei)
13 Re: Szucs on the Forum (mind)  17 sor     (cikkei)
14 Re: American needs Hungarian cultural help (mind)  43 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: More news items and musings (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >, "S. Bihari"
> writes:

>And now THIS!  To our mortal enemies!  Won't we ever learn?
>
>* The State Department has announced a formal decision to give $6.2
>  million in emergency food aid to North Korea.
>
>

Interesting dilemma here, Martha. By all measures, the North Korean regime
is in its death throes. Even the top party elite are, according to major
media reports in the west, subjected to strict food rationing and millions
of civilians have been reduced to eating grass and scrounging all kinds of
offal just to survive. Yet, the North Korean regime still has a large army
and is probably still developing its nuclear weapons program and ballistic
missile technology. Do we, as a nation, do what we can to minimize the
cost in human lives of what will likely be a bloody political transition?
Or do we stand by and let the North Korean people absorb the full measure
of bitterness that 50 years of misguided Marxist "juche" ("self-reliance")
imposed on them by a communist elite has wrought?

I suspect our Republican friends will demand rather vociferously and
belligerently between now and the first Tuesday in November that the U.S.
pursue the latter option. I suspect our Democratic President will opt to
ignore the problem and hope that it doesn't blow up in his face during
that same time period. Neither major American party is likely to be
willing to pursue the kind of pre-emptive military strike that would most
quickly kick this brutal and murderous regime into the grave it has dug
for itself. Plenty of room, therefore, for both parties to wallow in
hypocritical posturing on this issue. Somehow, spending $6.2 million to
feed millions of starving North Korean peasants (especially if it is
rendered in the form of in-kind aid -- rice and/or wheat) doesn't quite
evoke the kind of outrage and disgust I sense I will feel on this issue
once both major American political parties start dancing it around at
convention time.
Sam Stowe

P.S. -- Is Bob Dole ready to see American men and women come home in body
bags in order to liberate North Korea? Only Bob Dole knows.

Ceci n'est pas une sig
+ - 60 Minutes and E-mail (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I saw the segment Martha suggested. Most enlightening. It turns out
that your private mail sent on company computer can be monitored by the the
system manager. Thirty-six percent of the companies actually monitor their
employees' private mail.

        Gabor Fencsik's piece in yesterday's HUNGARY also rightly pointed
out the nature of public messages. They will be available for ever and ever.

        I don't think that I have ever written anything I should be ashamed
of. Moreover, I am doing my correspondence on my own time, on my own
computer, on a server whose services I am paying for. NPA should have done
the same. In that case, he wouldn't have gotten into trouble at Argonne
National Laboratory where, given the nature of its research, the incoming
and outgoing mail is most likely closely monitored.

        Eva Balogh
+ - Re: Czech connection? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

George Antony in response to Hugh:

> The Habsburgs had a settlement policy of settling whole villages from far
> corners of the empire.  They preferred German speakers, but obviously
there
> was a scattering of others too.

Methink the settlement of Szilagycseh preceeds the Habsburgs. Many of the
original Hungarian settlement names used person, nationality, tribe or
occupation names without any adjective forms. Szilagycseh can be a good
example. It was only after the XII century that locality names became
modified to add the modifiers such as -laka, -falva, -i, -telke, etc.

The particular village (now a small town) had a fortress already in 1359.
It also had a church built by Janos Dragfi who died with the country's flag
at Mohacs.

> Among the reportings on the Yugoslav war of succession were references to
> Czech and Slovak villages in Slavonia, once part of Southern Hungary (or
> perhaps Croatia proper even then, I am not sure).  These were apparently
> still populated by Czech and Slovak speakers, and were cleansed out along
> with their Hungarian and Croat neighbours.

While there were post Turkish occupation settlements of north Slavs in
Slavonia, please remember that the region was the original "tot" orszag in
the old records.
Thus there are settlements from preHabsburg days there also. In general the
eastern Slavonian population prior to the recent ethnic cleansing was
approximately 1/3 Hungarian, 1/3 nonSerb Slav (Croatian, Slovak, etc.) and
1/3 Serb. For better understanding of the post WW II population changes in
the region it is worthwhile to look at the 1940 Yugoslavian census also.

Regards,Jeliko.


> There are village names in today's Hungary that indicate Czech settlement
> (e.g., Csehi), but I would expect their inhabitants to have lost their
> Czech ethnic identity by now.

> George Antony
+ - Re: More news items and musings (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Stowewrite wrote:

> In article >, "S. Bihari"
> > writes:
>
> >And now THIS!  To our mortal enemies!  Won't we ever learn?
> >
> >* The State Department has announced a formal decision to give $6.2
> >  million in emergency food aid to North Korea.
> >
> >
>
> Interesting dilemma here, Martha. By all measures, the North Korean regime
> is in its death throes. Even the top party elite are, according to major
> media reports in the west, subjected to strict food rationing and millions
> of civilians have been reduced to eating grass and scrounging all kinds of
> offal just to survive. Yet, the North Korean regime still has a large army
> and is probably still developing its nuclear weapons program and ballistic
> missile technology. Do we, as a nation, do what we can to minimize the
> cost in human lives of what will likely be a bloody political transition?
> Or do we stand by and let the North Korean people absorb the full measure
> of bitterness that 50 years of misguided Marxist "juche" ("self-reliance")
> imposed on them by a communist elite has wrought?
>
> I suspect our Republican friends will demand rather vociferously and
> belligerently between now and the first Tuesday in November that the U.S.
> pursue the latter option. I suspect our Democratic President will opt to
> ignore the problem and hope that it doesn't blow up in his face during
> that same time period. Neither major American party is likely to be
> willing to pursue the kind of pre-emptive military strike that would most
> quickly kick this brutal and murderous regime into the grave it has dug
> for itself. Plenty of room, therefore, for both parties to wallow in
> hypocritical posturing on this issue. Somehow, spending $6.2 million to
> feed millions of starving North Korean peasants (especially if it is
> rendered in the form of in-kind aid -- rice and/or wheat) doesn't quite
> evoke the kind of outrage and disgust I sense I will feel on this issue
> once both major American political parties start dancing it around at
> convention time.
> Sam Stowe
>
> P.S. -- Is Bob Dole ready to see American men and women come home in body
> bags in order to liberate North Korea? Only Bob Dole knows.
>
> Ceci n'est pas une sig
>


Ah, but how do you guarantee that any of that food goes to the peasants,
and not just to the top officials, to the army, and to the nuclear
scientists--or worse yet, goes onto the local black market to earn cash
for the apparatcik?

If the US really were the newest incarnation of the Roman Empire (as so
many claim to believe or appear to hope) then perhaps we could expect
some utterly ruthless and effective action.  Instead...  And you omit the
great US fear of China, and China's reaction.  Well, what would China do
if the US and South Korea launched a pre-emptive strike?

Actually, the best plan might just be to allow North Korea to launch a
great attack, which would only kill several thousand or so folks, and
would provide all the necessary excuse for a heavy retaliation.

Meanwhile 6 million or so is a small enough price to salve our
humanitarian concience and to avoid the usual international outrage.

Richard Alexander
+ - Gays in Hungary (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 17:51:14 +0100
> To: 
> Subject: Gays in Hungary
> X-Url: http://www.ceo.cz/bpsun.html
>
>>From the Budapest Sun:
>>
>
>
> Gays given new legal status: Parliament hopes it will help narrow gap
> with the West
>
> By: Andras Doncsev
>
> May 30-June 5, Issue 167, Vol. 4
>
> Parliament last week passed an amendment to Hungary9s civil code that
> gives matrimonial rights to homosexual couples. The
> governing social-liberal coalition and the Fidesz-Hungarian Civic Party
> voted for the amendment, while the remaining
> opposition parties voted against it.
>
> The parliamentary faction leader of Fidesz, Jozsef Szajer, said the
> matrimonial rights that homosexual couples were given
> doesn9t mean they are allowed to marry. He said the amendment only
> addresses property rights and simply regulates how
> property is shared by homosexual couples who have entered into a legal
> living arrangement. "It is a mild amendment and
> should also be approved by those who have moral concerns," Szajer said.
> But homosexuals say even legislation won9t change
> society9s attitude toward them.
>
> A year ago, a Constitutional Court ruling required Parliament to address
> the issue of matrimonial rights for same-sex couples,
> and it set this February as a deadline. The ruling came after a
> homosexual group appealed to the court that the law, which dealt
> only with heterosexual couples, was discriminatory. While the court
> agreed in part with the group, it refused to grant
> homosexual couples full marriage rights, saying such a move would go
> against Hungarian traditions and public opinion,
> Szajer said. Hungary9s desire to integrate with the West may also have
> been a reason for Parliament9s approval of the measure.
> Laszlo Birta, a gay rights activist, said the European Union and other
> Western institutions closely monitor the protection of
> minority rights. "And gays are a minority," he said.
>
> But opposition politicians who voted against the law said the government
> went too far in giving gay couples the matrimonial
> rights that heterosexual couples have. Christian Democratic People9s
> Party Member of Parliament Miklos Gaspar said
> Scandinavian countries, which are generally liberal on social issues,
> regulate both the legal and the financial relations of
> homosexual couples, but they differentiate between the two types of
> relationships.
>
> Hungary has only adopted regulations that recognise financial relations
> between couples of the same sex. For instance,
> Hungary9s law will allow a homosexual partner of a deceased person to
> receive a widower9s pension, but it will not allow
> homosexual couples to adopt children.
>
> The Roman Catholic Church, once a powerful force in Hungary, also firmly
> opposes any moves towards granting legal status
> to homosexual relationships. "All sorts of human laws can be passed, but
> the divine law cannot be changed," said Endre
> Gyulay, the Bishop of the Szeged-Csangrad Diocese and the Vice Chairman
> of the Hungarian Catholic Bench of Bishops.
> Gays, meanwhile, say the legal change will not alter public attitudes
> toward homosexuality. "Hungarian society remains as
> conservative as it is," Birta said.
>
> --------------
> As found at the Central Europe Online homepage
> Joost van Beek
> 
>
+ - Re: More news items and musings (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Dear Martha (and Group);

At 11:42 PM 6/14/96 -0400, you wrote:

>Hello again!
>
>When I posted these items, one was about China, the other about Levi Strauss.
>Those two had elicited some discussion.
>
>I am puzzled by the quiet - no response - attitude about this:
>
>* The State Department has announced a formal decision to give $6.2
>  million in emergency food aid to North Korea.
>
>I am not suggesting that *we* let people starve.  It is, however, as in the
>case of Iraq, an internal decision: production of arms takes precedent
>over feeding the people.  We act as enablers.
>
>They tell parents to use *toughlove* with their wavering children.  Can you
>see a parallel?
>
>Any insights, anyone?
>

Just one opinion/observation, from this neck of the woods (hope it's not a
neck on someone's chopping block, instead...) ;-)

The U.S. leadership seems to have two problems in this issue:

First, they have yet to understand that human rules of discipline, justice,
etc. to be effective can't stop at one level or another.  They don't yet
seem to realize that nations don't exist without people--they are people,
too, with all the same virtues or faults in aggregate that individuals have.
Foreign policy has seldom had any relation to internal standards and
enforcements.  What the people who elect the so-called leaders also don't
realize is that one shouldn't trust the leader to secure even internal order
and rights, if the leader is willing to allow--or worse, promote--something
quite different.

Consider the current situation with the church burnings and the believed
"climate of hatred, rather than a national KKK conspiracy," responsible for
them.  Has it ever occurred to any of the characters in Washington DC, that
even if people don't always remember the myriad specifics, they have a
well-founded general impression established through a combination of their
own occasional viewing of snippets of television news, occasional readings
of newspapers, and/or word of mouth from people they do respect in their own
local neighborhoods, that the U.S. government generally condones, and even
rewards all kinds of nasty leaders oppressing people all over the
world--including some who kill others just because they are a different
ethnicity or have a different religion.  How long did it take this
supposedly concerned about racial/ethnic hatred President to do something
different regarding Bosnia?  How many people do you think after four years
of genocide there, don't know that it exists, or that it is an expression of
ethnic and religious prejudice?

As long as a strong standard of permissiveness exists at the top--and the
people know it, the U.S. will have trouble maintaining anything different
whether it be for any outside country, or any level of society within the
U.S. itself.---It's just like parents who preach one thing and do another.
How often will the children in such a situation obey the parents, or do
something different from what the parents _do_?


The second problem is unlike disciplining children alone, the North Korean
leaders are rathter like "children who have children."--There is a captive
dependency that gets hurt more than the so-called adult children.  They are
more like selfish, short-sighted, immature welfare mothers, than just
children, per se.

In this country it apparently will soon essentially be a "crime" to have
more children than for what one can provide.  We seem to be heading toward a
change in the grants and laws that will limit welfare payment increases to a
certain number of children but no more beyond that, require single mothers
to work, even if only at public service jobs like picking up litter, and cut
off all benefits after a maximum of say five years.  After any or all of
that, if a parent can't/won't provide for her children, he/she could be
arrested for child neglect or abuse, and the children taken away and placed
in someone else's care.  The child neglect and abuse laws and consequences
are already there, more circumstances in which they can be used will simply
be added.

However, in dealing with a foreign country, how on earth do we take the
captive dependents away from a regime that neglects or abuses them--at least
quickly enough for them not to starve to death?  We need a much more
imaginative and proactive program or set of programs that promote change
from within the country--such as a radio free program that does more than
broadcast news and commercials and interviews with individuals harranguing
about macro-change.   They could be broadcasting instead,
cultural-political, economic, etc. do-it-yourself, build small groups
together, to do things, programming instead.  Things like how does a Deming
work circle group function--from the perspective of those who actually
participated in them; how does an ESOP work, how do employees who are given
ownership of a company run it and how does the justice system back up their
rights?  What is money, what are the international standards for how it is
backed up, how does a an effective voluntary compliance uniform tax system
work?  How do non-profit organizations get built in non-dictatorship
countries and how do they operate, how do they actually serve needs?  How
does a person with an idea for a good product or service find all the
resources he/she needs to build the product/service and a company around
it,and market the product/service?  What are the elements in the most
successful companies with the happiest workers--again always from the
perspective of the _people_ involved in all these things?

When people can be taught to do things for themselves, and encouraged to do
things, government becomes superfluous--in any nation.  Government grows
upon the helplessness of people.  It seems, under the circumstances of our
limited ability to directly remove the captive dependents from the abusers,
we can only feed the nation in the short term, to ensure that needy innocent
people get help. We at the same time must work more creatively and strongly
for long term change of a government that sacrifices the care of its people
for military might that it is not likely to need.

Again, this is just one person's thoughts about the subject. Perhaps there
are better, or additional, ideas?  I've always loved a good smorgasbord...
;-)

Cecilia L. Fa'bos-Becker
San Jose, CA






N0BBS, Cecilia L. Fabos-Becker -  - San Jose, CA
+ - Re: American needs Hungarian cultural help (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Dear Kevin;

At 01:25 PM 6/16/96 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi:
>
>This is a silly request, but I'm hoping some generous soul will be
>willing to assist me. My girlfriend's father is a Hungarian emigre
>living in Sweden. Thus far, she has not had much luck getting her
>father to hit it off with her American friends. Any tips of a "cultural
>difference" nature that might help me to win him over?
>
This is not so silly.  It's a problem whenever any two people from different
cultures encounter one another.  However, he's an individual regardless of
his ethnicity or various ethnic influences since birth.  Have you tried
finding out what interests her father--music, art, literature?  How about
what his political views are upon various things like crime, child-raising,
what government's responsibilities should be, etc.?  What does he do for
hobbies, or does he enjoy his work and like to talk about that?  Maybe you
could find out what he likes and find some common grounds for both things to
do--and conversations to hold while doing some things together.  Good luck!

Respectfully and sincerely,


Cecilia L. Fa'bos-Becker
San Jose, CA




N0BBS, Cecilia L. Fabos-Becker -  - San Jose, CA
+ - Re: Hungarian kings' remains (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 06:53 AM 6/16/96 -0500, you wrote:
>-
>        Does anyone on the list know what happened to the royal remains
>unearthed at Szekesfehervar in the 1800s?  My latest info comes from an
>early 1980s newspaper article that I found in one of my grandfather's
>books.  All it says is that the bones were going to be tested in order to
>possible identify complete sets (if I recall correctly, all the bones were
>dumped together during their excavation).
>        Also, which kings' burial places are known and marked? I'm going
>back to the mother country on Monday and it would be interesting to visit
>the sites (this means, of course, that this request is somewhat urgent
>;-)).
>
I hope you haven't left quite yet, and I hope someone else also provided
additional answers.  The arm of Matthias Corvinus is in the Cathedral in
Budapest.  A finger was in a silver reliquary in the national(?) museum.
Heaven only knows where the rest of this poor fellow is.  When I visited the
oldest church in Hungary on the Tihany peninsula in 1993, the guide there
claimed that this church was the site of the only undisturbed, intact burial
of a Hungarian king.  You can't miss the church--there's always a long line
of tour busses and cars headed to and from it.  Good luck!   Hope you have a
great visit!

Sincerely,

Cecilia L. Fa'bos-Becker
San Jose, CA



N0BBS, Cecilia L. Fabos-Becker -  - San Jose, CA
+ - Re: More news items and musings (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Dear Group;

At 10:38 AM 6/17/96 -0700, you wrote:

>On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Stowewrite wrote:
>
>> In article >, "S. Bihari"
>> > writes:
>>


>> I suspect our Republican friends will demand rather vociferously and
>> belligerently between now and the first Tuesday in November that the U.S.
>> pursue the latter option. I suspect our Democratic President will opt to
>> ignore the problem and hope that it doesn't blow up in his face during
>> that same time period. Neither major American party is likely to be
>> willing to pursue the kind of pre-emptive military strike that would most
>> quickly kick this brutal and murderous regime into the grave it has dug
>> for itself. Plenty of room, therefore, for both parties to wallow in
>> hypocritical posturing on this issue. Somehow, spending $6.2 million to
>> feed millions of starving North Korean peasants (especially if it is
>> rendered in the form of in-kind aid -- rice and/or wheat) doesn't quite
>> evoke the kind of outrage and disgust I sense I will feel on this issue
>> once both major American political parties start dancing it around at
>> convention time.
>> Sam Stowe
>>
>> P.S. -- Is Bob Dole ready to see American men and women come home in body
>> bags in order to liberate North Korea? Only Bob Dole knows.
>>
>> Ceci n'est pas une sig
>>
>
>
>Ah, but how do you guarantee that any of that food goes to the peasants,
>and not just to the top officials, to the army, and to the nuclear
>scientists--or worse yet, goes onto the local black market to earn cash
>for the apparatcik?
>
>If the US really were the newest incarnation of the Roman Empire (as so
>many claim to believe or appear to hope) then perhaps we could expect
>some utterly ruthless and effective action.  Instead...  And you omit the
>great US fear of China, and China's reaction.  Well, what would China do
>if the US and South Korea launched a pre-emptive strike?
>
>Actually, the best plan might just be to allow North Korea to launch a
>great attack, which would only kill several thousand or so folks, and
>would provide all the necessary excuse for a heavy retaliation.
>
>Meanwhile 6 million or so is a small enough price to salve our
>humanitarian concience and to avoid the usual international outrage.
>
>Richard Alexander
>
Bob Dole and Bill Clinton will go which ever way the biggest (wealthiest,
usually)  wind blows whenever the decision can't be put off any longer.
They won't worry about the people's wishes because they can be changed with
enough well-crafted high-paid television propaganda, right? ;-)(

Besides, the majority of people (any nation's) have a conscience to _do_
something to correct a wrong, even write a letter or make a phone call to
someone else to _do_ something more???  Where?!  Where?!  ;-)

Please note the following wry smiley--it applies to _all_ the foregoing.

;-)


Cecilia L. Fa'bos-Becker
San Jose, CA

N0BBS, Cecilia L. Fabos-Becker -  - San Jose, CA
+ - Re: *** HUNGARY *** #700 (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On Sun Jun 16 18:21:08 EDT 1996 in HUNGARY #701 Eva Balogh wrote:


>        On April 1, Eszter Solymosi, a fourteen-year-old servant of Andras
>Huri disappeared never to return. As it turned out, she threw herself into
>the Tisza River, comitting suicide. Soon afterward rumors began in the

Eva, could you tell us the year?  I know you don't want to imply 1996, but
still...
+ - Re: Who denounced NPA? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On Sun Jun 16 10:58:14 EDT 1996 Eva Balogh wrote in HUNGARY #701:

>... every time
>there is a "hot topic" discussed only the extremists write and their
>writings are answered by two or three "liberals." The "liberal" camp is so
>small that I can count them on one hand.

Actually, the way I see it, the "conservative" camp is about the same size,
if not smaller than the "liberal" one.

>The conservative right acts if the
>offending postings didn't exist. I personally asked some of them to raise
>their voices against the extremists, because silence means agreement. They
>refused.

Asking your opponents to support you does not seem like a very realistic
endeavor.

>>Yes, there are sometimes offending
>>views, from anti-Jewish to anti-Christian, just like here.  The quoted
>>statements were carefully selected from the former category.  (Actually,
one
>>of them, about the SzDSz being a Jewish party, is from one of Eva Balogh's
>>posts - if memory serves - citing some opinions heard in Hungary.  But no
>>evidence was offered one way or the other.)

>        I am not sure what "quoted statements . . . carefully selected" you
>are talking about. This is the first problem. The second is that what you
>are doing here is what current Hungarian slang calls "csusztatas." You are
>talking about "offending views" and in the same breath you claim that one of
>these postings actually came from Eva Balogh. I really would like you to
>produce an antisemitic (offending) posting from me. Yes, a few months ago I
>did say something about the widespread perception in Hungary that the SZDSZ
>is a "Jewish party," but I don't think that "evidence" must be offered for
>that statement.

If you re-read my original sentence, it clearly states that you were "citing
some opinions heard in Hungary".  You yourself say the same thing above.  So
where is the "csusztatas"?  You are the one who is guilty of that.

Ferenc
+ - Re: More news items and musings (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 11:28 AM 6/17/96 -0600, Cecilia wrote:
 "We need a much more
imaginative and proactive program or set of programs that promote change
from within the country--such as a radio free program that does more than
broadcast news and commercials and interviews with individuals harranguing
about macro-change."

The problem with this is that in North Korea, like in *1984* by George
Orwell, the radios are sold without frequency adjustment. All they have is
an on-off button and all they can listen to is the government propaganda.

Gabor D. Farkas
+ - Re: Szucs on the Forum (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >, S or G Farkas
> writes:

>I assume our friend would also like to make sure that this "free passage"
>happens in freight trains and it ends up in a place with a big gate that
has
>Arbeit Macht Frei inscribed on it.
>
>Gabor D. Farkas
>
>

You suppose he's got one of those little military uniforms with an
arrow-cross on it tucked away in the closet next to his jackboots?
Sam Stowe

Ceci n'est pas une sig
+ - Re: American needs Hungarian cultural help (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,
 says...
>
>Quoting Agnes Heringer
>
>>As far as I am concerned, the cultural difference cannot be bridged.
>
>Dear Agnes:
>
>If I were made to believe this statement to be a fact, I would truly
>consider the threat of humanity to be in danger of extinction...  This,
is
>an exteremely serious statement, one which I wholeheartedly disagree
with!
>I give humanity  more credit than this.... and have, and and exercised
it,
>and so far, it has not yet let me down.
>
>Now, if you were to say that religious differences cannot be bridged, I
>would give your thought pattern the necessary leaway it deserves... but
>cultural?... No bloody way!  I repeat,.... I give humanity far more
credit
>that that!  Sorry Agnes, your statement is truly "out to lunch" at least
in
>my opinion!
>
>Regards,
>Aniko

Aniko, I came with my family to Canada in 1963. I have worked 30 years in
Canadian companies.  So did my husband.  Maybe it is our fault, however,
all my friends and acquaintances - unless intermarried - are in the same
boot.  In all these years, I had one non-Hungarian girlfriend, who
happened to be British (European culture) and repatriated 18 years ago.
There is one Canadian couple (I used to work with the husband) with whom
we occasionally get together.  As I mentioned in my note, that does not
mean that we do not get on with each other - I have terrific rapport with
my son-in-laws - but simply, we are on another plane culturally.
I was 30 when I came to Canada, but I have friends who were
18 and have the same problem.  Incidentally, those who emigrated to the
US, fare a little bit better, I am told.

Regards, Agnes

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