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1996-03-18
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Megrendelés Lemondás
1 Re: Pat Buchanan (mind)  6 sor     (cikkei)
2 Re: Main St. and Wall St. (mind)  39 sor     (cikkei)
3 Re: Pat Buchanan (mind)  10 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: Main St. and Wall St. (mind)  100 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: Reserved tables (mind)  37 sor     (cikkei)
6 Re: Main St. and Wall St. (mind)  18 sor     (cikkei)
7 Re: Reserved tables - joe.2 [1/1] (mind)  71 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: Reserved tables (mind)  108 sor     (cikkei)
9 Re: Main St. and Wall St. (mind)  39 sor     (cikkei)
10 Hungarian Language Course in Pittsburgh (mind)  59 sor     (cikkei)
11 Publikalas (szamitogepes grafikak) (mind)  19 sor     (cikkei)
12 Re: Reserved tables (mind)  27 sor     (cikkei)
13 Quebec (mind)  20 sor     (cikkei)
14 Os Csanad ? Old Hungary? (mind)  10 sor     (cikkei)
15 Re: Muzsikas (mind)  15 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: Pat Buchanan (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Ja'nos!
       Wat's wrong with putting Amerika first? Why should Amerika's vote
in the WORLD TRADE ORGANIZATION weigh as moch as the vote of Bangladesh or
Granada?
Ga'bor Wikipil
JudoHun
+ - Re: Main St. and Wall St. (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

> Felado :  [United States]
>
> >There is nothing amiss with the stock market, it reacts quite reasonably
> >to the totality of the economic situation (which includes not only
> >production but also the money supply).
>
> There is something amiss with the stock market in human terms when it
> values the prime rate above the unemployment rate.
It values both, but the unemployment rate is a long-term indicator,
the prime rate has an immediate effect.

> Your argument sounds like it's right out of the supply-side playbook,
> wherein we are extolled not to worry about unemployment rates of nine or
> ten percent because they're perfectly "natural."
I'm sorry, all I said was that the market behaves in a reasonable fashion.
This has nothing to do with supply-side economics nor with the question
whether 9-10% unemployment is "natural".

> Is it any wonder the country club Republicans never saw Pat Buchanan or
> Ross Perot headed toward them with a meat cleaver? But, hey, who was it
> that said economics is politics trying to pass for science?
It is no wonder country club Republicans don't think of high unemployment
as a serious issue -- this is what being a member of a country club does
to you. My point was: if you think the market is reacting the wrong way
try to alter the factors the market is reacting to. Here the market is
reacting to the Fed's policy, which on the basis of past experience can be
predicted to involve a rate hike if unemployment goes below 5.5%. It is like
you are complaining that somebody is not crossing the street though there
are no cars coming. Yeah, but there is a DON'T WALK sign flashing. If you
change the Fed's policy the market will behave the way you want it to.

Personally I'm not in favor of a fundamental change (i.e. giving the Fed's
powers to politicians instead) though I think the unemployment threshold
should be set lower (around 3-3.5% is where I would put "full" employment).
Any figure is a tradeoff between the interests of working age and pensioned
people, and I think grey panthers have too much power in this country as is.
No doubt I will change this opinion thirty years hence:-)

Andra1s Kornai
+ - Re: Pat Buchanan (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Kedves Gabor!

        I have no problem with putting Amerika first. Also Amerika can have
N+1 votes (substitute whatever you want) in the World Trade Organization, I
do not care. I was only talking about Buchanan's protectionist ideas which
would led the US into trade war with Japan. This would not be too good for
the world economy. But if this is what America wants (what I seriously doubt)
than 'Hurra' go for it.

Janos
+ - Re: Main St. and Wall St. (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 23:09 16/03/96 -0800, Andra's Kornai and Sam Stowe had this exchange:
>> Felado :  [United States]
>>
>> >There is nothing amiss with the stock market, it reacts quite reasonably
>> >to the totality of the economic situation (which includes not only
>> >production but also the money supply).
>>
>> There is something amiss with the stock market in human terms when it
>> values the prime rate above the unemployment rate.
>It values both, but the unemployment rate is a long-term indicator,
>the prime rate has an immediate effect.
>
>> Your argument sounds like it's right out of the supply-side playbook,
>> wherein we are extolled not to worry about unemployment rates of nine or
>> ten percent because they're perfectly "natural."
>I'm sorry, all I said was that the market behaves in a reasonable fashion.
>This has nothing to do with supply-side economics nor with the question
>whether 9-10% unemployment is "natural".

Dear Andra's and Sam and Group -

Well, it is my surmise that the reason the stock market went down when
unemployment went down, was that the investors/speculators who do invest in
the market were hoping for the Fed to reduce the interest rates, because
people would be more likely to buy stocks, which offer the possibility of a
larger return, if interest rates on savings are low. And so the market's
anticipation of a drop actually becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Besides, frankly who cares, other than people like Darren who own mutual
funds? (;-) The market no longer directly reflects the economic health of
the nation - witness the lack of effect on the overall economy of the stock
market crash of 1987!

I don't understand, though, why the Crash of 1929 *did*have such an impact
on the economy. Unless at the time there was far more investment by a
greater percentage of the populace in the stock market, or there were fewer
avenues for investment elsewhere, or for some reason, people just thought it
*did* reflect the health of the economy, whether in fact there was any real
cause-and-effect relationship between the decline in the market and the
subsequent decline in the economy.

>> Is it any wonder the country club Republicans never saw Pat Buchanan or
>> Ross Perot headed toward them with a meat cleaver?
<snip>
Ah, yes, that great populist, Ross Perot. . . And people are scared of Pat
Buchanan! Remember Perot's story of how George Bush sabotaged his (Perot's)
daughter's wedding? Now that guy is really dangerous!

>It is no wonder country club Republicans don't think of high unemployment
>as a serious issue -- this is what being a member of a country club does
>to you.

No, we are talking about far lower rates of unemployment right now than 9 or
10%. I don't think you can speculate based on current conditions what people
- country club Republicans or whatever - might feel if the rate of
unemployment reached that level. Besides, it wouldn't matter what the
country club set thinks anyway. If the rate got to 9 or 10% the media would
never let us forget it, and they would keep hammering on it until there was
*some* action  - any action - by the Federal government that purported to be
dealing with the problem.

 My point was: if you think the market is reacting the wrong way
>try to alter the factors the market is reacting to. Here the market is
>reacting to the Fed's policy, which on the basis of past experience can be
>predicted to involve a rate hike if unemployment goes below 5.5%. It is like
>you are complaining that somebody is not crossing the street though there
>are no cars coming. Yeah, but there is a DON'T WALK sign flashing. If you
>change the Fed's policy the market will behave the way you want it to.

>Personally I'm not in favor of a fundamental change (i.e. giving the Fed's
>powers to politicians instead) though I think the unemployment threshold
>should be set lower (around 3-3.5% is where I would put "full" employment).
>Any figure is a tradeoff between the interests of working age and pensioned
>people, and I think grey panthers have too much power in this country as is.
>No doubt I will change this opinion thirty years hence:-)
>
>Andra1s Kornai

We would not necessarily be better off if the monetary policy were directly
in the hands of politicians - too much subject to pressure by the Great
Unwashed, and therefore liable to be varied based on conditions of the
moment rather than on the basis of what is in the long-term interests of the
country. An example of the fact that democracy iw not always desirable.
Sometimes it is preferable to preserve some sort of oligarchy or meritocracy
in our governance.

Hungarian content - there's got to be some here somewhere. . .  is Hungary's
monetary policy set by something like the Fed? In Canada, we've got the Bank
of Canada. Or, is the power in the hands of the politicians in Hungary? How
is the system working? Is the economy in such bad shape that it is subject
to forces largely beyond the government's control?

Respectfully,

Johanne

Johanne L. Tournier
e-mail - 
>
>
+ - Re: Reserved tables (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 09:13 PM 3/16/96 -0500, Janos Zsargo wrote:

>J. Szalai wrote some very nice thing about Canada and her tolerance toward
>any kind of minorities. Well I was lucky enough to be able to spend a year
>in Montreal 3-4 years ago. It is a wonderful city with exciting and
>interesting life, a kind of mixture of the europian and american way of
>life.  However I had some 'funny' experience, too. First, very surprising
>to me, everything was written in French (and ONLY French). At least that
>timed it was STRICTLY FORBIDDEN to have a text displayed in public area
>written in other language than French. Even the Burger King had to be
>written as 'Burger Royal'. Second, if one does not speak French like me,
>he/she can have some taste of the discrimination regardless of color,
>gender, sexual oriantation, colour of the hair, size of nose, etc.

Diversity is wonderful, isn't it Janos?  You wouldn't have been surprised
that almost everything in Quebec is in French if you wouldn't have falsely
assumed that Canada was an English only nation.  It isn't.  It never was.
The Quebecois made a political decision to protect their language in North
America because they don't want to end up like the Cajun in Louisiana.  Do
you know many Cajun's who still speak French?

If I may, I'd like to put a twist on your story.  Suppose the Hungarians in
Romania had the political power to protect and preserve the Magyar language
in Translyvania.  Suppose you are, say, a Bulgarian, who had the chance to
live in Translyvania for a year.  Now, if you had the chance to go to a
large statium and had to go to the washroom would you be upset if nobody
understood Romanian?  After all, doesn't everyone in Romania speak Romanian?

Do you think that a francophone at Toronto's Sky Dome would fare any better
than you did at Montreal's Olympic statium.  If you had the chance to go to
the olympic statium in Mexico City would you be surprised if the staff
didn't understand English?

Perhaps the real issue here is not language at all.  Perhaps you're just
trying to find holes in my arguments.

Joe Szalai
+ - Re: Main St. and Wall St. (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >, Andras Kornai
> writes:

>I'm sorry, all I said was that the market behaves in a reasonable
fashion.
>This has nothing to do with supply-side economics nor with the question
>whether 9-10% unemployment is "natural".

And all I said was that it doesn't, at least in the fullest sense of the
term "reasonable."
Sorry to lump you in with the supply siders. Your rhetoric in the first
post appeared to be veering toward their favorite themes of how rational
and efficient the unfettered free market is. Absolute idealism in
economics, as in most other human endeavor, makes me a little jumpy. I
can't quite muster your level of faith in the rationality and
reasonableness of the market. And I own a business and have mutual fund
investments.
Sam Stowe
+ - Re: Reserved tables - joe.2 [1/1] (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >, Joe Szalai
> says:
>
>At 07:57 PM 3/14/96 -0500, George Szaszvari wrote:
>
>>As far as being a discriminatory society is concerned, Hungary compares
>>well with her neighbours, don't you think? I'd compare Hungary pretty
>>favourably with Britain too, but then I'm probably much more aware of the
>>horrendous injustices that are regularly perpetrated in Britain today,
>>rather than the odd few I hear about in Hungary.
>
>Hungary is much more homogeneous than most her neighbours.  The only sizable
>or notable minorities are the gypsies and the jews.  Do they fare better in
>Hungary than in neighbouring countries?

>From what I've seen, heard and read, I'd currently say: yes, with a
qualification about the reigning *powers that be*. The vagaries of
human nature make such assertions about tolerant and positive societies
rather venturesome, at the best of times. Weak and cynical rulers
elevate the dregs of humankind (i.e., those with egocentrically limited
perceptions of life) above all else: stifling bureaucratic mentalities
flourish, the greedy and uncaring dictate and the thugs find their
services in demand (even officially.) Witness the collapse of former-
Yugoslavia: Slobodan Milosevic, along with his criminally insane cronies
Karadzic, Mladic, et alia, has wiped out 45 odd years of relatively
peaceful co-existence among the Yugoslav peoples under Tito's tight
reign (if only because that gangster regime wouldn't tolerate too much
nonsense from nationalists and other rival thugs at the expense of their
own quasi-communist rule.) A better example of *enforced benevolence* :-)
is, perhaps, the Mughal rule of Akbar (in the latter 16th century) in
the Indian sub-continent, when productive multi-ethnic culture and
social equity is supposed to have flourished. Firm resolve and wisdom
(an euphemism for *shrewdness*?) seem to be the leadership qualities
of those rulers that reigned in *Golden Ages* throughout history.
Without *real* leadership societies tend to regress into the primeval
slime rather than aspire to peace, harmony and...(wait for it)...
enlightenment.

Is this not the real lesson that history teaches us?

This is not to say that Hungary has necessarily been an altogether
*enlightened society* recently; many factors contribute to the general
outlook of people in a society. Hungarians have been able to positively
channel their atavistic tendencies into coping with and lifting Moscow's
Soviet yolk (there's nothing like having a collective cause...) Now that
they've found freedom, what are going to do with it? Screw up, perhaps?
*Experts* on the current Horn government will have plenty of opinions
about this issue, I'm sure!

>Canada is a nation of minorities with a long and colourful history of racism
>and bigotry.

Just like everywhere else. (It's a question of degree, of course, and
although I played devil's advocate in the last posting by bringing up
known Canadian problems, I must say that, relatively speaking, Canada
seems to do better than most, as far as my current perception stands.)
This is a bit of a turn around from your earler posting, but a welcome
one. Egotistically (uncritically) believing in one's own moral and
intellectual superiority (individually, or, worse, nationally) is
something best left to those members of a certain *mutual ego-stroking
society* on this ng! The purring that is associated with such mutual
stroking seems to have quietened down somewhat since one or two blown
up egos have been punctured recently ;-)

>But we're learning from the past.  We have to.....

The rest has been taken on board. Good luck in the quest...!

Regards

George
+ - Re: Reserved tables (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 10:26 17/03/96 -0500, Joe Szalai wrote:
>At 09:13 PM 3/16/96 -0500, Janos Zsargo wrote:
>
>>J. Szalai wrote some very nice thing about Canada and her tolerance toward
>>any kind of minorities. Well I was lucky enough to be able to spend a year
>>in Montreal 3-4 years ago. It is a wonderful city with exciting and
>>interesting life, a kind of mixture of the europian and american way of
>>life.  However I had some 'funny' experience, too. First, very surprising
>>to me, everything was written in French (and ONLY French). At least that
>>timed it was STRICTLY FORBIDDEN to have a text displayed in public area
>>written in other language than French. Even the Burger King had to be
>>written as 'Burger Royal'. Second, if one does not speak French like me,
>>he/she can have some taste of the discrimination regardless of color,
>>gender, sexual oriantation, colour of the hair, size of nose, etc.
>
>Diversity is wonderful, isn't it Janos?  You wouldn't have been surprised
>that almost everything in Quebec is in French if you wouldn't have falsely
>assumed that Canada was an English only nation.  It isn't.  It never was.
>The Quebecois made a political decision to protect their language in North
>America because they don't want to end up like the Cajun in Louisiana.  Do
>you know many Cajun's who still speak French?
>
>If I may, I'd like to put a twist on your story.  Suppose the Hungarians in
>Romania had the political power to protect and preserve the Magyar language
>in Translyvania.  Suppose you are, say, a Bulgarian, who had the chance to
>live in Translyvania for a year.  Now, if you had the chance to go to a
>large statium and had to go to the washroom would you be upset if nobody
>understood Romanian?  After all, doesn't everyone in Romania speak Romanian?
>
>Do you think that a francophone at Toronto's Sky Dome would fare any better
>than you did at Montreal's Olympic statium.  If you had the chance to go to
>the olympic statium in Mexico City would you be surprised if the staff
>didn't understand English?
>
>Perhaps the real issue here is not language at all.  Perhaps you're just
>trying to find holes in my arguments.
>
>Joe Szalai

Dear Joe -

I can't let this one go by - I live in Canada, my father's family was
French, and I have spent some time in Quebec and France, so I know whereof I
speak.

The situation between the French in Canada and the Hungarians in Romania is
not at all comparable.The Hungarians are desparately trying to hang on to
their own language and cultural institutions, which are being mandated out
of existence through the deliberate policies of the Romanian government. The
French in Canada are protected by the official status given the French
language through the official bilingualism of the Federal government,
although Francophones amount to no more than one quarter of the population
of the country. In addition, New Brunswick, with about one third Francophone
population (the Acadians, the same people now living in Louisiana as
*Cajuns*), is also an officially bilingual province. Nova Scotia, my
province, has sizable populations of Acadians around Yarmouth and in Cape
Breton. Although not officially bilingual, French language schools are
allowed "where numbers permit."

In no sense could the Hungarians in Romania be said to be in effective
control of the government. But look at Canada. Although a definite minority
of the population, Quebecers have effectively ruled the country for most of
the last 30 years in Canada. During that time, the only non-Quebec Prime
Ministers (Joe Clark, John Turner, and Kim Campbell) have all been dismal
failures. The successful ones, in terms of time in office and thus
legislation passed and policies enforced have been Pierre Trudeau, Brian
Mulroney, and Jean Chretien, all Quebecers. The Liberal Party, which is
Chretien's party, and the only truly national party in Canada right now, has
a substantial portion of its caucus made up of Quebecers, and the opposition
party is the Bloc Quebequois, the separatists who until recently were led by
Lucien Bouchard. The only sizable party led by a non-Quebecer is the Reform
party, led by Preston Manning, and they are strong in the West but not in
Quebec or the East, so he is pretty well marginalized. (The national media's
attitude is that the Reform Party tends to be too extremist). Quebecers are
also guaranteed one third of the membership of the Supreme Court of Canada
and have a disproportionately large representation in the civil service of
Canada, due to the requirement that they be bilingual.

The difference between these provinces and Quebec is that, as Janos
observed, in Quebec the use of French is being *mandated* by the government
which passed a bill, Bill 101, which at the time mandated that *only* French
could be used on signs. I believe that has since been modified to allow
English and other languages to appear on the signs as long as the French is
most prominent. However, the language laws still exist and are enforced by
language police who can charge and prosecute people who, for instance,
commit the heinous sin of displaying a sign in public which is entirely in
English.

Given the peculiarities of the French psyche, it is entirely possible - and
indeed probable, in my view - that the attendant understood the meaning of
the word *toilet* perfectly well, but *chose* not to understand.

And, to top it off, yes, I do think the situation would likely be different
if one asked the question in French in the Skydome. English-speaking
Canadians have been busily having their children study French since long
before I arrived in Canada, so if you run into a person under age 40, there
is a very good chance such a person would speak some French.

Sorry, again, only minimal Hungarian content! (I apologize and will try to
stick more to matters which are more properly the sphere of this discussion
group in the future! (:-)

U:dvo:zlettel,

Johanne

Johanne L. Tournier
e-mail - 
+ - Re: Main St. and Wall St. (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >, "Johanne L. Tournier"
> writes:

>
>Hungarian content - there's got to be some here somewhere. . .  is
Hungary's
>monetary policy set by something like the Fed? In Canada, we've got the
Bank
>of Canada. Or, is the power in the hands of the politicians in Hungary?
How
>is the system working? Is the economy in such bad shape that it is
subject
>to forces largely beyond the government's control?
>
>Respectfully,
>
>Johanne
>
>

Good question. With all the talk of governmental austerity in Hungary, how
do they handle monetary policy? By the way, the faith expressed here by
several posters in the Federal Reserve's disinterested approach to
policy-making is absurdly misplaced. Granted, under Volker and Greenspan,
they've done a much better job of insulating monetary policy from the
day-to-day ideological idiocies of both major political parties. But you
can bet that when re-election time rolls around for El Presidente,
regardless of which party he belongs to, the Fed chairman makes darned
sure that interest rates don't dare even twitch in an upward direction
until after the first Tuesday in November. Just get under the hood and
look around. It's just that simple. Oh, and I'm not speculating about what
the country club Republicans have to say when unemployment approaches
double-digits. I'm merely summarizing what their many apologists in the
print media and talk radio had to say last time unemployment reached such
heights.
Sam Stowe

P.S. -- Anyone like to hazard a guess as to when Mr. Perot will jump into
this year's race and provide much-needed comic relief?
+ - Hungarian Language Course in Pittsburgh (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I've often seen people inquire about Hungarian language courses on
this list, so I thought I'd pass on this information.

        Ms. Fenyvesi is a teacher in the Department of English and American
Studies and in the the Hungarian Studies Program at the University of
Szeged (JATE).  She is a Ph.D. candidate in linguistics at the University of
Pittsburgh.  She is an excellent teacher who has worked with American
students for many years.

>>
   From:  (ANNA FENYVESI) On: 03/17/96  09:59
 Header: 320/1
Subject: if you know someone who might be interested...
     To: , , ,
        , , ,
        , 

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advertised below, please, pass on the info. You can also pass on my
e-mail address since I can also answer questions regarding the course,
esp. about the teaching part and the contents.

Thank you very much!

Best,

Anna

> ============================================

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+ - Publikalas (szamitogepes grafikak) (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Egy otlet azok szamara, akik publikalni szeretnek szamitogeppel keszitett
grafikaikat:

A magyar computer & design szerkesztosege varja alkotasaitokat a vilag
minden reszerol uj Galeria rovataba. A kepeket barmilyen formatumban
bekuldhetitek (EPS, TIFF, JPEG, PICT stb.), CD-, SyQuest- vagy 3,5-vs
lemezen, vagy e-mail-en a kovetkezo cimre:

Alma Viva Studio
1052 Budapest
Apaczai Csere Janos u. 3.
Tel: (36)1 138-4-138
e-mail: 

A kepekhez mellekeljetek egy rovid (max. 100 szavas) leirast arrol, hogy
milyen gepen, milyen egyeb hardware felhasznalasaval, milyen
programokkal keszultek.

Agnes
+ - Re: Reserved tables (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 02:45 PM 3/17/96 -0500, Johanne L. Tournier wrote a lot of things with
which I wouldn't disagree.  Of course my comparison of Magyars in
Transylvania and Francophones in Quebec is not the best.  There are indeed
great differences.  That's why I said "suppose" and "if" at the start of my
argument.

>Given the peculiarities of the French psyche, it is entirely possible - and
>indeed probable, in my view - that the attendant understood the meaning of
>the word *toilet* perfectly well, but *chose* not to understand.

This may have happened.  I'm just not very open to these stories of woes.  I
lived and worked in Montreal for sixteen months and only once, JUST ONCE,
did someone not understand my English in a store.  And that was in a pro
independence book store on rue St. Denis.  I was not surprised.  What
surprised me were the anglophones who lived in Montreal for many generations
who knew less French than I did.  The other thing that surprised me was that
many, if not most, immigrants chose English as the language of instruction
for their children.

Do you really think that an attendant at Montreal's Olympic stadium would
'chose' not to understand the word 'toilet'?  That would be a political act
and I would be surprised that a minimum wage worker would be up to it.  It
may have happened and I've certainly met quite a few people who told me
similiar stories about Quebec.  All I can go on is my experiences in Quebec
and I don't have any horror stories to pass on.  Sorry.

Joe Szalai
+ - Quebec (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On Sun, 17 Mar 1996, Joe Szalai wrote:

>                               The other thing that surprised me was that
> many, if not most, immigrants chose English as the language of instruction
> for their children.

Having lived 2 years in Montreal, and being familiar with the Canadian
French accent, I can see why!  In addition, all schools in Quebec require
at least some instruction of French.  Thus the kids become bilingual.

> Do you really think that an attendant at Montreal's Olympic stadium would
> 'chose' not to understand the word 'toilet'?  That would be a political

Very much so.  It happens all the time.  It has nothing to do with the
I.Q. or the paycheck.

But what does all this talk about Quebec has to do with Hungary  - or the
price of eggs, may I ask?

Martha
+ - Os Csanad ? Old Hungary? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Does anyone know of a village in Hungary (or possibly pre-World War I
Hungary - Transylvania?) that was called Os Csanad...

Does this town still exist ?  Was it renamed ?  Is it now in Romania?

Thanx in advance...

-Ed
-
  EDWIN DURRETT  
+ - Re: Muzsikas (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Bela Liptak wrote:
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> It was a nice evening. See them, if you can.
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Does anybody know if Muzsikas is coming to Chicago?

Thanks for any info,


Barry Guiduli


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