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1997-03-04
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Megrendelés Lemondás
1 Re: Health care. (mind)  28 sor     (cikkei)
2 Re: Hungarian Movie on TVO (mind)  35 sor     (cikkei)
3 FW: Re: A question to S.Stowe (mind)  33 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: FW: Re: FW: This and That (mind)  15 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: Health care. (mind)  23 sor     (cikkei)
6 Restoration of the Kossuth Statue in New York (mind)  19 sor     (cikkei)
7 Restoration of the Kossuth Statue in New York (mind)  19 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: Health care. (mind)  35 sor     (cikkei)
9 Fwd: [Fwd: AFP-MAIL : Hongrie-GB] (mind)  41 sor     (cikkei)
10 Fwd: [Fwd: AFP-MAIL : Hongrie-GB] (mind)  41 sor     (cikkei)
11 HL-Action: write AL GORE (mind)  90 sor     (cikkei)
12 Re: Health care. (mind)  27 sor     (cikkei)
13 HL-Action: write AL GORE (mind)  90 sor     (cikkei)
14 Re: Health care. (mind)  43 sor     (cikkei)
15 FW: Re: FW: Re: FW: This and That (mind)  49 sor     (cikkei)
16 Health care (mind)  24 sor     (cikkei)
17 Conference (mind)  20 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: Health care. (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,
 says...
>
>At 09:15 PM 3/2/97 GMT, Agnes Heringer wrote:
><snip>
>>Of course we do!  We pay GST and PST on everything we buy, and both
>>Canada Pension and private pensions are taxable incomes.  The Old
>>Age Security payment, which one gets after age 65, is being clawed back
>>gradually over a certain income (I believe $51,000/year - I am not
there
>>yet).
>
>Agnes,
>
>I may be wrong but I think you misunderstood the question.  The question
was
>whether or not we (in Ontario) pay for medicare through hidden taxes.  I
>don't think we do.  We pay for it through payroll deductions.  Oh sure,
we
>pay GST and PST on most purchases but that tax is for all the other
>government services.
>
>Joe Szalai


You are right, Joe, I misunderstood.

Agnes
+ - Re: Hungarian Movie on TVO (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,
 says...
>
>This Friday, March 7, TVO (TV Ontario) is showing "Sweet Emma, Dear
Bobe" at
>10pm.
>
>***"Sweet Emma, Dear Bobe" (1992, drama)  Johanna Ter Steege, Eniko
Borcsak.
>Two Hungarian teachers leave the countryside to live and work in
Budapest.
>(1hr.30min)
>_________________________
>
>I heard some very good reviews of this movie on the CBC when it was
first
>playing in Toronto.  I didn't have a chance to see it then, but I look
>forward to seeing it on Friday.
>
>Has anyone on this newsgroup seen the movie?  Would you recommend it?
>
>Joe Szalai


Yes Joe, I saw it in the movie.  It is very good and I recommend watching
it.  For me it was especially interesting, since the two main characters
are originally Russian language teachers who have to re-learn now so that
they can teach English.  When I was in high school, all the language
teachers were sweating to learn Russian.  They were always one lesson
ahead of the class.  This was told to me by my French teacher.  I was
very lucky - we were the last year who didn't have to convert from
western languages to Russian and I still got my high school diploma
learning French.

Agnes
+ - FW: Re: A question to S.Stowe (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 01:10 AM 3/3/97 -0500, Janos Zsargo wrote:

>Well, well Eva, I suggest you to keep in mind the old hungarian saying,
>"ha hallgattal volna bolcsebb maradtal volna".
>But, if you substitute *south slavs* instead of *south serbs* into the
>emphasized statement, i.e "...a guy named Ban Jelacic who organized the
>South Slavs..." it still does not make sense. I am sorry but this was
>not a typo.

Eva wrote :
<        We all miswrite things at times because we are in a hurry. This is
<the nature of the Internet beast--not very carefully writing and style. You
<make mistakes, I make mistakes, everybody makes mistakes.

YES.

<But it seems to me that people point out these mistakes only if they disagree
<with the writer's views. Otherwise, they are quiet.

Probably, this is quite often right...Happens to ALL of us.

<And, by the way, I remember the saying as "ha hallgattal volna bolcs maradtal
volna,"

<because I don't think that you can be "wise and wiser."
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I believe you, you think so. Sometimes, maybe, other people may
have the impression, as well. But if this should be true, what
the heck brings into the discussion telling him ( but lowering
the style )?

Miklos
+ - Re: FW: Re: FW: This and That (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 11:43 PM 3/3/97 +0100, Miklos Hoffmann wrote:

<snip>
>Joe, my heart is honestly with you. I am afraid, it is - the really existing -
>MANKIND, where the problem is. And we can4t pick another one. Thus, for
>practical AND ethic reasons, we have to choose the lesser evil.

The 'lesser' evil, Miklos?  Hmmm.  Did you know that John Keegan, a military
historian, has said that 50 million people have been killed by war, since
"peace" broke out in 1945?

I guess there's something to be said for choosing the lesser evil.  I just
don't know what it is.

Joe Szalai
+ - Re: Health care. (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 08:43 AM 3/3/97 GMT, Sam Stowe wrote:

<snip>
>God, Joe, your patriotism just sends chills up and down my spine. Now, if I
>had only advocated changing the Canadian health care system, your insipid
>comments might have been relevant. I'm all in favor of Canada having its
>system and the U.S. having its. What I dispute is that your system somehow
>imputes moral superiority.

It's not a question of moral superiority.  It's a question of treating
everyone equally.  When it comes to health care, Canadians strive to treat
everyone a whole lot more equally than Americans do.  And that doesn't make
me feel morally superior.  It makes me feel that I have less money.  At the
same time, I feel all warm and fuzzy inside.  It's kinda neat.  It's like
living in a democracy where everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, has a vote.  You
know, at one time, not very long ago, only those who owned property, or were
white, or were men, could vote.  Your health care system isn't quite there
but it sure isn't universal like ours.

In America, if you're sick and need good health care, you'd better have a
healthy wallet, or purse.

Joe Szalai
+ - Restoration of the Kossuth Statue in New York (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Dear Colleagues,

Thanks to the efforts of Andy Vadasz, Gotthard Saghi-Szabo, Tamas Hilbert,
Barbara Bullok, Istvan Kovacs and Jamest T, Dowell of the Riverside Park
Fund, a taskforce has finally been formed to restore the Kossuth statue in
New York.

I understand, that the Hungarian Consulate will hold a cocktail party in
support of the effort and the organizers of the March 15 commemoration in New
York have agreed to donate their profits for this cause. Mr. Dowell has
extended the target date for the found raising to May 1, 1997 and I ask all
March 15th celebration organisers in the United States to take up collections
to support this effort.

I understand that Tamas Hilbert Esq. has accepted to act as the treasurer of
the taskforce and Mrs. Barbara Bollok as its coordinator (T: 212-535-3681,
Fax: 212-734-6790)

Best regards: Bela Liptak
+ - Restoration of the Kossuth Statue in New York (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Dear Colleagues,

Thanks to the efforts of Andy Vadasz, Gotthard Saghi-Szabo, Tamas Hilbert,
Barbara Bullok, Istvan Kovacs and Jamest T, Dowell of the Riverside Park
Fund, a taskforce has finally been formed to restore the Kossuth statue in
New York.

I understand, that the Hungarian Consulate will hold a cocktail party in
support of the effort and the organizers of the March 15 commemoration in New
York have agreed to donate their profits for this cause. Mr. Dowell has
extended the target date for the found raising to May 1, 1997 and I ask all
March 15th celebration organisers in the United States to take up collections
to support this effort.

I understand that Tamas Hilbert Esq. has accepted to act as the treasurer of
the taskforce and Mrs. Barbara Bollok as its coordinator (T: 212-535-3681,
Fax: 212-734-6790)

Best regards: Bela Liptak
+ - Re: Health care. (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >, Joe Szalai
> writes:

>It's not a question of moral superiority.  It's a question of treating
>everyone equally.  When it comes to health care, Canadians strive to treat
>everyone a whole lot more equally than Americans do.  And that doesn't make
>me feel morally superior.  It makes me feel that I have less money.  At the
>same time, I feel all warm and fuzzy inside.  It's kinda neat.

Sounds like ergot poisoning.

> It's like
>living in a democracy where everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, has a vote.  You
>know, at one time, not very long ago, only those who owned property, or were
>white, or were men, could vote.  Your health care system isn't quite there
>but it sure isn't universal like ours.

Argument by non-sequitur. Who would have expected that of you?

>
>In America, if you're sick and need good health care, you'd better have a
>healthy wallet, or purse.

In America, if you're sick you go to the nearest hospital and get treated. In
Canada, apparently, you can run your mouth at extreme length on topics of which
you have no empirical knowledge whatsoever.
Sam Stowe





"North Carolinians will vote dry for as
long as they can stagger to the polls."
--Will Rogers
+ - Fwd: [Fwd: AFP-MAIL : Hongrie-GB] (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

---------------------
Forwarded message:
From:    (Yves LE QUELLEC)
Reply-to:       
To:     
Date: 97-03-04 09:50:36 EST

FOR YOUR INFORMATION,

from AFP 
> 
> Hongrie-GB
> Le prince Philip approuve que la CIJ traite l'affaire de la centrale de
> Gabcikovo
> 
>    BUDAPEST, 4 mars (AFP) - Le prince Philip s'est félicité de la
comparution
> en justice de la Hongrie et de la Slovaquie devant la Cour internationale
de
> Justice (CIJ) ŕ propos du barrage de Gabcikovo-Nagymaros sur le Danube,
lors
> d'une conférence de presse mardi ŕ Budapest.
>    "Le verdict sera probablement une sorte de compromis", a déclaré le duc
> d'Edimbourg, arrivé dimanche en Hongrie pour une mission de trois jours
> portant sur des questions d'environnement.
>    La Hongrie et la Slovaquie, qui avaient décidé en 1977 de construire
> ensemble un complexe hydro-électrique sur le Danube, s'opposent depuis que
> Budapest, sous la pression des écologistes hongrois, a interrompu les
travaux
> en 1989.
>    Au cours de sa visite en Hongrie, l'époux de la reine Elizabeth a
assisté ŕ
> la remise en liberté de cinq castors dans leur milieu naturel dans le parc
> naturel de Gemenc (sud).
>    Le prince Philip, président d'honneur du World Wide Fund for nature
(WWF),
> a effectué en Hongrie la premičre étape d'une tournée qui le conduira en
> Turquie, aux Emirats arabes unis, en Mongolie, au Japon, aux Etats-Unis et
au
> Canada.
>    bij-clp/gic            e
+ - Fwd: [Fwd: AFP-MAIL : Hongrie-GB] (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

---------------------
Forwarded message:
From:	 (Yves LE QUELLEC)
Reply-to:	
To:	
Date: 97-03-04 09:50:36 EST

FOR YOUR INFORMATION,

from AFP 
> 
> Hongrie-GB
> Le prince Philip approuve que la CIJ traite l'affaire de la centrale de
> Gabcikovo
> 
>    BUDAPEST, 4 mars (AFP) - Le prince Philip s'est félicité de la
comparution
> en justice de la Hongrie et de la Slovaquie devant la Cour internationale
de
> Justice (CIJ) ŕ propos du barrage de Gabcikovo-Nagymaros sur le Danube,
lors
> d'une conférence de presse mardi ŕ Budapest.
>    "Le verdict sera probablement une sorte de compromis", a déclaré le duc
> d'Edimbourg, arrivé dimanche en Hongrie pour une mission de trois jours
> portant sur des questions d'environnement.
>    La Hongrie et la Slovaquie, qui avaient décidé en 1977 de construire
> ensemble un complexe hydro-électrique sur le Danube, s'opposent depuis que
> Budapest, sous la pression des écologistes hongrois, a interrompu les
travaux
> en 1989.
>    Au cours de sa visite en Hongrie, l'époux de la reine Elizabeth a
assisté ŕ
> la remise en liberté de cinq castors dans leur milieu naturel dans le parc
> naturel de Gemenc (sud).
>    Le prince Philip, président d'honneur du World Wide Fund for nature
(WWF),
> a effectué en Hongrie la premičre étape d'une tournée qui le conduira en
> Turquie, aux Emirats arabes unis, en Mongolie, au Japon, aux Etats-Unis et
au
> Canada.
>    bij-clp/gic            e
+ - HL-Action: write AL GORE (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

****************** CALL FOR ACTION ****************

Priority:
   URGENT

Background:
  Please help to convince vice president Al Gore to make a statement
in favour for Szigetkoz. Feel free to use the attached new form
letter. Al Gore will only take notice if he receives thousands of
letters. 
  Therefore please send at least one letter every day. Furthermore
PLEASE MAKE A CHAIN LETTER OF THIS CALL FOR ACTION. Send it to
everybody on your personal mailing list and ask them to forward it to
their friends. PLEASE ACT!!

What to do: 
Please ask vice president Al Gore to make a statement in favour for 
the environment of Szigetkoz. Feel free to use the attached NEW form 
letter. Al Gore  will only take notice if he receives thousands of 
letters. 
      SEND SEVERAL LETTERS A DAY!!! PLEASE DO NOT ONLY SEND
      THEM BY E-MAIL!  Send them even by fax or "priority
      mail".  Below are the fax number, and the priority mail
      addresses you should use. 
      In all cases, put the names of _both_ the Vice President
      _and one or another of his key aides_ on the top of the
      fax, or on the envelope address.  

key aides:
Executive Assistant to the Vice President: Heather Marabeti
Deputy Chief of Staff:                        David Strauss
Director of Political Affairs:              Karen Elizabeth Skelton

address of key aides as well as of Al Gore: 
Room 276, Old Executive Office Building
Washington, DC  20501
fax number: 202-456-7044

e-mail address of Al Gore:


*************************************************************

<date>

The Honorable Al Gore
Vice President of the United States
The White House
Washington, DC  20001
(E-Mail:  )

Dear Mr. Vice President:

On August 21, 1993, you wrote to Professor Bela Liptak about
your concern for the Danube ecosystem.  Today humankind is approaching
an important precedent:  On March 3, 1997, the International Court of
Justice will start proceedings in the first international
environmental lawsuit in The Hague.

The ICJ will decide a case involving the Danube and the destruction of
its ancient wetland region, the Szigetkoz.  This name, loosely
translated, means "region of a thousand islands,"  yet today there is
not a single island left there, because the water is gone.  

However, the implications of this case go beyond the future of just
one river or just the 400 endangered species of one ancient ecosystem.
This lawsuit will set a precedent for the whole planet and will answer
a much more basic question:  Do national governments have the right to
do as they please with our ecosystems, or does humankind as a whole
have a right to protect the rich natural treasures which belong to all
of us?

Mr. Vice President, in 1995 nine international environmental NGOs
submitted a memorial to ICJ, which its president, the Honorable
Mohammed Bedjaoui, has accepted.  A Compromise Plan was also submitted
to the Court; this Plan would guarantee the restoration of the ancient
Szigetkoz wetlands, together with fulfilling the water supply,
shipping and energy needs of the region.  For details of this Plan and
for other aspects of the lawsuit, please ask Bela Liptak or visit the
web site at:  http://www.goodpoint.com/duna.htm .

Dear Mr. Gore:  It is very important that the first international
environmental lawsuit be given the media attention it deserves. The
Foundation to Protect the Hungarian Environment can inform you of the
details.  A statement by you can guarantee that attention; please make
such a statement.

Respectfully,

<Your name, title and address>
+ - Re: Health care. (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Sam Stowe wrote:

Joe Szalai wrote:
<snip>
> > It's like
> >living in a democracy where everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, has a vote.  You
> >know, at one time, not very long ago, only those who owned property, or were
> >white, or were men, could vote.  Your health care system isn't quite there
> >but it sure isn't universal like ours.
>
> Argument by non-sequitur. Who would have expected that of you?

And who would have thought that you'd get hung-up on rhetorical niceties?
It doesn't become you, Sam.

> >In America, if you're sick and need good health care, you'd better have a
> >healthy wallet, or purse.
>
> In America, if you're sick you go to the nearest hospital and get treated. In
> Canada, apparently, you can run your mouth at extreme length on topics of
 which
> you have no empirical knowledge whatsoever.

Nor first-hand personal experience.  However I'm still glad it's there in
case people need it.

Joe Szalai
+ - HL-Action: write AL GORE (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

****************** CALL FOR ACTION ****************

Priority:
   URGENT

Background:
  Please help to convince vice president Al Gore to make a statement
in favour for Szigetkoz. Feel free to use the attached new form
letter. Al Gore will only take notice if he receives thousands of
letters.
  Therefore please send at least one letter every day. Furthermore
PLEASE MAKE A CHAIN LETTER OF THIS CALL FOR ACTION. Send it to
everybody on your personal mailing list and ask them to forward it to
their friends. PLEASE ACT!!

What to do:
Please ask vice president Al Gore to make a statement in favour for
the environment of Szigetkoz. Feel free to use the attached NEW form
letter. Al Gore  will only take notice if he receives thousands of
letters.
      SEND SEVERAL LETTERS A DAY!!! PLEASE DO NOT ONLY SEND
      THEM BY E-MAIL!  Send them even by fax or "priority
      mail".  Below are the fax number, and the priority mail
      addresses you should use.
      In all cases, put the names of _both_ the Vice President
      _and one or another of his key aides_ on the top of the
      fax, or on the envelope address.

key aides:
Executive Assistant to the Vice President: Heather Marabeti
Deputy Chief of Staff:                        David Strauss
Director of Political Affairs:              Karen Elizabeth Skelton

address of key aides as well as of Al Gore:
Room 276, Old Executive Office Building
Washington, DC  20501
fax number: 202-456-7044

e-mail address of Al Gore:


*************************************************************

<date>

The Honorable Al Gore
Vice President of the United States
The White House
Washington, DC  20001
(E-Mail:  )

Dear Mr. Vice President:

On August 21, 1993, you wrote to Professor Bela Liptak about
your concern for the Danube ecosystem.  Today humankind is approaching
an important precedent:  On March 3, 1997, the International Court of
Justice will start proceedings in the first international
environmental lawsuit in The Hague.

The ICJ will decide a case involving the Danube and the destruction of
its ancient wetland region, the Szigetkoz.  This name, loosely
translated, means "region of a thousand islands,"  yet today there is
not a single island left there, because the water is gone.

However, the implications of this case go beyond the future of just
one river or just the 400 endangered species of one ancient ecosystem.
This lawsuit will set a precedent for the whole planet and will answer
a much more basic question:  Do national governments have the right to
do as they please with our ecosystems, or does humankind as a whole
have a right to protect the rich natural treasures which belong to all
of us?

Mr. Vice President, in 1995 nine international environmental NGOs
submitted a memorial to ICJ, which its president, the Honorable
Mohammed Bedjaoui, has accepted.  A Compromise Plan was also submitted
to the Court; this Plan would guarantee the restoration of the ancient
Szigetkoz wetlands, together with fulfilling the water supply,
shipping and energy needs of the region.  For details of this Plan and
for other aspects of the lawsuit, please ask Bela Liptak or visit the
web site at:  http://www.goodpoint.com/duna.htm .

Dear Mr. Gore:  It is very important that the first international
environmental lawsuit be given the media attention it deserves. The
Foundation to Protect the Hungarian Environment can inform you of the
details.  A statement by you can guarantee that attention; please make
such a statement.

Respectfully,

<Your name, title and address>
+ - Re: Health care. (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 12:36 PM 3/4/97 -0500, you wrote:
>On Tue, 4 Mar 1997, Sam Stowe wrote:
>
>Joe Szalai wrote:
><snip>
>> > It's like
>> >living in a democracy where everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, has a vote.  You
>> >know, at one time, not very long ago, only those who owned property, or wer
e
>> >white, or were men, could vote.  Your health care system isn't quite there
>> >but it sure isn't universal like ours.
>>
>> Argument by non-sequitur. Who would have expected that of you?
>
>And who would have thought that you'd get hung-up on rhetorical niceties?
>It doesn't become you, Sam.
>
>> >In America, if you're sick and need good health care, you'd better have a
>> >healthy wallet, or purse.
>>
>> In America, if you're sick you go to the nearest hospital and get treated. I
n
>> Canada, apparently, you can run your mouth at extreme length on topics of
> which
>> you have no empirical knowledge whatsoever.
>
>Nor first-hand personal experience.  However I'm still glad it's there in
>case people need it.
>
>Joe Szalai
>
>Hey Guys what about if you are sick you go to your Doctor.Why run to the
hospital?Is this an emrgency?
Empirical knowledge,would you translate this for an un educated non
emperious emperor.
If you want 1st hand knowledge Sam,in the past 2 years I had 2 shoulder
surgerys.
One on each side.1st I visited my phisician,who recommended a surgeon.I saw
him,and a week later I had the operation.I had to wait that long since they
use the operating rooms for different surgerys.
Is this so bad?Next day I was out,and started phisiotherapy,all paid by our
awful canadian health system.
Cheers:Andy
+ - FW: Re: FW: Re: FW: This and That (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 11:43 PM 3/3/97 +0100, Miklos Hoffmann wrote:

<snip>
>Joe, my heart is honestly with you. I am afraid, it is - the really existing -
>MANKIND, where the problem is. And we can4t pick another one. Thus, for
>practical AND ethic reasons, we have to choose the lesser evil.

<The 'lesser' evil, Miklos?  Hmmm.  Did you know that John Keegan, a military
<historian, has said that 50 million people have been killed by war, since
<"peace" broke out in 1945?

Of course you are right, Joe! The WAR it is, that must be avoided! I didn4t
mean war as the lesser evil here ( though situations are concievable, where
the alternatives ( Srebrenica, Treblinka, Pol Pots purifications,...) are
greater evils than exerting military force. And in many cases, the avoidance
of force did the small wars, did butchers develop to top condition. ). And I
admit it is a paradox, you , obviously, ( only? ) can avoid war by deterrence..
.

<I guess there's something to be said for choosing the lesser evil.  I just
<don't know what it is.

Yes, I am with you.
Joe, I am simple(?), I made it simple. It is infinitely more differentiated
and sophisticated as that, I admit. Still, I think, these times it is better to
have a strong, well controlled army - and, of course responsible politicians...
here you caught me again with a potentially very week point. If you let the
Hitlers, the Stalins, the Milosevich, the warlords, the Kim Ils, the Funars,
( I would place the Saddams, the Quaddafis, the Erbacans etc here - maybe even
the Bibis ) the etc. grow, if you make Munich arrangements, yes, you might marc
h
into a much greater mess, as history teaches again and again.

Without the vigilance of citizens, it won4t work. With the ideas, why should
I pay taxes if I wouldn4t like to, it won4t work. Ignoring the stability
of a society by rubber-stamping minifarmers on the verge of existence, the
needy as parasites, it won4t work, either. It4s complicated, it is difficult,
but, I think, it4s worth to try it again and again.

And no word against mutual, controlled, balanced reduction of armies and
arms, no word!

Again, man, and even more men, are the problem! With saints
we could have haven. Only, saints you mostly find in the books
only.

Peace be with you and us....

Miklos
+ - Health care (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Let's not get too involved with the pros and cons of Canadian versus
American health care. One can only say that both are extremely expensive in
comparison to some European countries. I may be wrong but my recollection is
that the Canadian is even more expensive than the American (that is, a
larger percentage of the GDP goes for health care than in the United States
which is hard to believe).
        I hear good things about German health care from friends in Germany.
Perhaps Miklos could enlighten us.
        The Hungarian situation, in my opinion at least, is close to
disasterous. Incredible number of doctors, much more than either in Canada
or in the United States, in fact, more than practically in any developed
country, and yet, the death rate is terrible. There are 148 hospitals for a
country of ten million and more beds per 10,000 population than in most
developed countries. And yet, it doesn't seem to help.
        I have some doctor friends who live in Germany and their remedy
would be privatization but immediately, both doctors and hospitals. The
Hungarians are not planning to do that although there are many doctors who
work for the system as well as for their own private practice. Something
will have to be done and I don't know whether they are doing the right thing
or not.
        Meanwhile one hears horror stories about the British system and the
Canadian is not in very good financial health either.

        Eva Balogh
+ - Conference (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

(Forwarded to the list from )

Friday, March 7, 1997                           Lipman Room, Barrows Hall
   10-12:30 am                                         UC Berkeley

            THE INVENTION OF TRADITION AFTER COMMUNISM

         Chair:  Prof. Andrew C. Janos, Political Science, UCB

R. Alexander, Slavic, UCB: Oral Tradition in the Balkans: Real or Invented?

T. Emmert, History, Stanford: Inventing and Reinventing Traditions:
                              Serbia and the Legacy of Kosovo

Julia Bader, English, UCB: Reinventing the Private Life in Hungarian Film

George Starr: English, UCB: Reinventing Hungarian Architecture

M. Tikma, Sociology, Stanford: Sources of Reinvented Traditions in
                               Successor States of the USSR

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