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1 Re: A matter of trust (mind)  23 sor     (cikkei)
2 Re: Inquiry on MALEV (mind)  21 sor     (cikkei)
3 Re: Nadia Comaneci / Kemenes Ilona (mind)  17 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: Concrete Poetry -- (Or What a Wally Thinks This Is) (mind)  12 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: Finnish related to Turkish? (mind)  486 sor     (cikkei)
6 Re: Inquiry on MALEV (mind)  33 sor     (cikkei)
7 Re: HUNGARIAN POLICE: It s a joke (mind)  14 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: Antw: Navo is a political dwarf (was Re: Thanks Hu (mind)  8 sor     (cikkei)
9 Re: The English Patient (Victor Laszlo/Casablanca?) (mind)  29 sor     (cikkei)
10 Re: Concrete Poetry -- (Or What a Wally Thinks This Is) (mind)  13 sor     (cikkei)
11 Felhivas (mind)  44 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: A matter of trust (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,  > wrote:

| When I read news like this, I keep wondering what has changed with
| signing of the basic treaty?  After all, Romanian officials keep looking
| at their own citizens of Hungarian background as agents of the Hungarian
| government, weather they have proof for it or not.
| Besides, just what could those possible Hungarians in the Romanian
| government leak to Budapest that they are so worried about?  Their
| secret plans against Hungary?  From their paranoia, I have a hard time
| to think of anything else.  It seems like a prime example of Byzantine
| mind set; always assumes the worst of the other side.
| Joe

I think what changed is that the treaty puts Hungary in a
position where it cannot reasonably accused with planning an
agression. Noone said that the extreme nationalists in
either country will be happy with the treaty. They will not
and should not be. But it helps those who want to coexist

+ - Re: Inquiry on MALEV (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,  
>Except on <http://www.travelfirst.com>;, do you know any homepage about
>MALEV on the net' ?
>You who travelled with this airline, please provide us reports and
>opinions concerning comfort, F&B, security, service.
>Thank you very much.
>Inirsort Bourges
>-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
>      http://www.dejanews.com/     Search, Read, Post to Usenet

I have travelled last year by MALEV from London to Budapest and back to 
London.  It was in every respect up to standard compared to my 
experiences with other airlines (Air Canada, British Airways, Swissair, 
and many others).  Any travel agent could give you information.

Regards, Agnes
+ - Re: Nadia Comaneci / Kemenes Ilona (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,  says...
>Olvastam, hogy Nadia Comaneci (Kemenes Ilona) egy magyar apja van 
>(Gheorgie Comaneci - Kemenes György) és ezért Ilona egy félszarmású 
>magyar. De azt nem hittem... Nadia Comaneci (fél)-magyar szarmású 
>ember-e? Régen hallottam ezt. Még nem biztos vagyok. 
>Peter Chong
>Ui. Mi történt Ilonával 1980 után? Kíváncsi vagyok...
>I thought her name is Anna, not Ilona, but I may be wrong.  I don't know 
wht happened to her after 1980.  When she was here during the olympics, 
she spent a few days in the Laurentians in the same camp as my daughter. 

+ - Re: Concrete Poetry -- (Or What a Wally Thinks This Is) (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Wally Keeler > wrote:
>td >: Fri, 29 Nov 1996
>|interesting way to look at things when somebody is making fun
>|of you big time and you run out of tricks...
>I never run out of tricks. I just decide once in a while to turn
>it off -- 

Sure. On the same analogy my Trabant could go 220 miles per hour, I'm just 
being easy on the gas pedal. ;->*
+ - Re: Finnish related to Turkish? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

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Here's a little blurb I typed up on Edit in response to a Mr. J. Pearson 
who originally asked whether Finnish is related to Turkish... It took me 
a while to type up but it's here as an attachment... Feel free to browse 
through it and make comments...


Peter Chong

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In a way, it really depends on whose side your on... If you're a "clumper"-
type linguist, (i.e. a linguist who prefers to group languages into large 
super-families) then Turkish is related to Finnish by way of the Ural-Altaic 
or Turanian hypothesis/relationship. If you're a "splitter"-type linguist, 
(one who prefers to make many subdivisions within a language family - 
emphasizing the difference of one language to another) then Turkish belongs 
to the Altaic family while Finnish belongs to the unrelated Uralic family. 

The arguments for the "Ural-Altaic" relationship include:
1) Almost all Uralic and Altaic languages have vocal harmony. 
2) The U-A languages are agglutinative - they pin suffixes at the end of 
words to express various grammatical and stylistic nuances.
3) They employ postpositions rather than prepositions.
4) U-A languages do not have a seperate verb "to have".
5) U-A languages do not tend towards consonant clusters.
6) There are many lexical and grammatical correspondances.

The Ural-Altaic theory would include both the Uralic and Altaic language 
families. Some Uralic tongues include: Finnish, Estonian, Hungarian, Mari,
Mordvin, Lappish, Karelian, Khanty, Udmurt, Komi, Nenets, Nganasan and 
Sholqup. Some Altaic tongues include: Turkish, Khalkha Mongolian, Kalmuk
Mongolian, Burjat Mongolian, Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Uzbek, Yakut (Sakha), Tuvinian,
Tatar, Bashqort, Uigur, Manchu, Ewen, Ewenk, Salar, Sibo, Udegey and 
Azerbaijani. Some linguists also believe Korean is Altaic and a few even
believe Japanese is Altaic. (It is my belief, that not only there is an Ural-
Altaic or Turanian unity but that the Sumerian language of antiquity [the
inventors of writing ~ 4000 - 2000 BC] is the common root to all modern U-A

The biggest argument against this U-A unity is:
1) Many linguists do not consider such features as agglutination and vowel
harmony as proof of a relationship. Moreover, the lexical and grammatical
similarities could be the result of long contact between the Uralic and Altaic
peoples rather than a common origin. (Author's note: This is possible but 
should not be considered definite.)

Before circa 1950, most linguists believed in a Turanian or U-A linguistic
relationship. However after that time, it was assailed by linguists as a
tenuous theory and that it would be better to consider the Uralic and Altaic
families as seperate. In some cases as in Hungary, this was done for 
political reasons (the predominating belief among the Hungarian fascists and
conservatives of WWII was that the Hungarians represented the westernmost 
branch of a Turanian people. A people that could be found from Europe all the
way to Japan - another member of the Axis powers. Thus it was a favoured  
theory of the nationalists and fascists. While no doubt these supporters  
evoke scorn and hatred among many liberal and leftist people today, the 
theory itself isn't completely wrong.)

If you're still interested check out this WWW page:

Some Sumerian morphemes and modern U-A words.

(Source: Cso"ke, S ndor, "Sum‚r-finn-mongol-t”r”k ”sszehasonlĄt˘ nyelvtan", 
Buenos Aires: Magyar O"skutat s Kiad sa, 1974. - Sumerian-Finnish-Mongolian-
Turkish Comparative Grammar)

Sumerian:       bur 411,104 (to drill, to riddle with holes)
Finnish:        porata (it drills)       
Hungarian:      fŁr (")
Turkish:        burgu (drill - noun)
Kalmuk Mongol:  burçu (")

Sumerian:       bar 74, 68/302 (family, village)
Finnish:        perhe (family)
Hungarian:      v ros (city)
Old Turkish:    balIq (")
Mongol:         balgasun (city, village)

Sumerian:       bur3 411,32 (livestock, four-legged animal, cow)
Finnish:        poro (reindeer)
Hungarian:      borjŁ (livestock)
Osmanli Turk:   buzaçI (two year-old livestock) 
Buriat Mongol:  bur– (livestock)

Sumerian:       bad 69,100 (to fall apart, to be fallen)
Finnish:        potea (it breaks apart)
Hungarian:      sz‚tpattan (" - "sz‚t-" is a prefix meaning "apart". "pattan"
                            is the root meaning "break".)
Turkish:        patlamak (to burst)
Mongol:         butal- (it falls apart)

Sumerian:       bad 152 8,4 (wall, stuffing)
Finnish:        pato (stuffing)
Hungarian:      fal (wall)
Kyrgyz Turk:    bit„ (it closes away - pertaining to arrows?)
Mongol:         biteç (closed away)

Sumerian:       gab 167,55/57a (to grasp, to get, to catch)
Finnish:        kaapata (it gets, it catches)
Hungarian:      kap (")
Turkish:        kap (pot - recepticle, something that catches)
Mongol:         qabla- (it catches, it finds)

Sumerian:       ab(-ba) 128,13a (father)
Finnish:        appi (father-in-law)
Hungarian:      apa (father)
Turkish:        aba (")
Mongol:         aav (")

Sumerian:       s^ub 68,9 (to flatten)
Finnish:        lappea (page)
Hungarian:      lap (")
Sakha Turk:     s„bird„x (page, leaf)
Kalmuk Mongol:  napts^i (leaf)

Sumerian:       gab 167,56 (copy, picture, duplicate)
Finnish:        kuva (picture)
Hungarian:      k‚p (")
Turkish:        k„p (")
Mongol:         keb (example, as in...)

Sumerian:       gib-i/=gig/446,3/4 (be sick, pain, illness)
Finnish:        kipe„ (sick)
Hungarian:      meggebed (it is sick - "meg-" is a prefix)
Turkish:        gebermek (to pass away)
Manchu:         gebsere- (be sour)
Sumerian:       gir11 152,19 (to stretch)
Finnish:        kire„ (tight)
Hungarian:      g”rcs (spasm)
Turkish:        germek (to tighten)
Mongol:         kere- (it binds up, it tightens)

Sumerian:       sig 592, 10ff (tight, narrow)
Finnish:        tiukka (tight)
Hungarian:      szu"k (")
Turkish:        sIkI (")
Mongol:         siqam (tight, pressed together)

Sumerian:       gig 456,43 (hatred, to hate)
Finnish:        kiukka (hatred)
Hungarian:      gyu"l”l (it hates)
Old Turkish:    k„k (")
Mongol:         j^igs^i (")

Sumerian:       s^ag5 356,5/7 (be healthy, good, goodness, nice)
Finnish:        hyv„ (good)
Hungarian:      j˘ (")
Turkish:        sag^ (healthy)
Bashqort Turk:  hau (")
Mongol:         sajin (good)

Sumerian:       sig7 351,6 (to live, to sit)
Finnish:        sija (dwelling, place)
Hungarian:      sz‚k (chair)
Turkish:        sakIn (inhabitant)
Mongol:         sagu- (it sits, it dwells)

Sumerian:       gis^ 296,10 (man, master, sir, gentleman)
Finnish:        is„nta (sir, landlord)
Hungarian:      gazda (landowner?)
Old Turkish:    iy„ (gentleman)
Mongol:         ej^en (sir, ruler)

Sumerian:       gal2 80,3 (to be)
Finnish:        olla (to be)
Hungarian:      val- (it is - old form)
Turkish:        ol- (it is, it will be, it happens)
Mongol:         bol- (it is, it will be, possible)

Sumerian:       gur4 483,23 (to run, to flee)
Finnish:        kiire (rushing, hurrying)
Hungarian:      gyors (quick)
Turkish:        kuriye (fast movement?)
Mongol:         qurdun (fast)

Sumerian:       zag 332,43 (flatland, field)
Finnish:        s„vel (flat)
Hungarian:      sĄks g (plateau)
Turkish:        sahra- (steppe, land, plateau)

Sumerian:       dug3 396,10/11 (good, healthy, optimal)
Finnish:        t„ysi (full, perfect)
Hungarian:      t”k‚letes (complete, perfect)
Turkish:        tekmil (completion)
Mongol:         t”gs (")

Sumerian:       dah 169,3/10 (one follows, by someone)
Finnish:        l„het„ (it follows, it comes together)
Hungarian:      t rs (member, partner)
Sakha Turk:     doçor (")
Mongol:         daga- (it follows, it goes together)

Sumerian:       kud 12,19 (city, hamlet)
Finnish:        kotia (hut)
Hungarian:      kunyh˘ (")
Old Turkish:    qadas^ (relative, relation, troop, brother)
Mongol:         quda (relation, troop)

Sumerian:       kad4 (to bind)
Finnish:        kytke„ (it binds up, it weaves)
Hungarian:      k”tni (to bind)
Turkish:        kat- (weave)
Mongol:         qadamar (strenghtened)

Sumerian:       bad3 152^8,7 (deathly ill, sickly)
Finnish:        potea (become sick)
Hungarian:      beteg (sick)
Old Turkish:    bed- (it weakens)
Mongol:         betege ("dagantot okoz˘ betegs‚g" - My Hungarian isn't very 
                         good but I know it has something to do with illness)

Sumerian:       pa 295,11 (summit, peak)
Finnish:        p„„ (head)
Hungarian:      fej (")
Turkish:        bas, (")
Ancient Mongol: pekin (")

Sumerian:       bu 371,25 (to blow)
Finnish:        puhaltaa (it blows)
Hungarian:      fŁj (")
Turkish:        pfle- (")
Ancient Mongol: pligˆ (")

Sumerian:       zub 60^x,4 (to flow, rain)
Finnish:        tippua (it drops)
Hungarian:      csepeg (")
Uigur Turk:     c^ip-c^ip (onomatopaeia of dripping water - "drip-drip")
Mongol:         sibeni- (it drops, it flows)

Sumerian:       ki 461,21 (who)
Finnish:        kuka (")
Hungarian:      ki (")
Turkish:        ki (")
Mongol:         khen (")

Sumerian:       kur2 60,34 (circle)
Finnish:        keri (")
Hungarian:      k”r (")
Turkish:        kresel (spherical)
Mongol:         krd (circle)

Sumerian:       kas^ 211a,2 (urine)
Finnish:        kusi (")
Hungarian:      hŁgy (")
Turkish:        huysuzluk (bile)
Old Turkish:    qas^an- (be urinating)

Sumerian:       kud 536,4 (to throw, to place, to allow)
Finnish:        kadota (it loses)
Hungarian:      hagy (it allows)
Turkish:        koy- (")
Mongol:         qoj^im (afterwards, later)

Sumerian:       s^ita 233,15/442,2 (to bind)
Finnish:        sitoa (it binds, it weaves, it strenghtens)
Hungarian:      csatol (it weaves - a net)
Turkish:        ciltlemek (to bind)
Kalmuk Mongol:  s^itm (fencing)

Sumerian:       has^ 12,78 (be bending)
Finnish:        kallistaa (it bends)
Hungarian:      hajlik (")
Turkish:        kayma‡ (slant-eyed)
Mongol:         qaj^iji- (it bends, it curves)

Sumerian:       hir 401,9 (picture)
Finnish:        kirja (book)
Hungarian:      hĄr (news - ?)
Turkish:        kertik (notch, gash, score)
Mongol:         kerc^i (")

Sumerian:       has^ 12,70/73 (to cut, to split)
Finnish:        halkoa (it cuts)
Hungarian:      hasĄt (")
Turkish:        kesmek (to cut)
Mongol:         qasu- (it shortens sg, it cuts sg)

Sumerian:       uh 398,6/17 (to spew, to vomit)
Finnish:        oksentaa (it vomits)
Hungarian:      ok dik (")
Turkish:        ”ksrmek (to cough)
Mongol:         oki- (it vomits)

Sumerian:       sil(a) 12,117 (to split, to cut up)
Finnish:        s„le (splinter)
Hungarian:      szelet (slice - noun)
Teleut Turk:    s^IlI (it cuts)
Mongol:         silu- (")

Sumerian:       sig 592,10/19 (small, little)
Finnish:        hiukan (a little bit)
Hungarian:      csek‚ly (insignificant)
Turkish:        -‡ak (diminutive suffix)
Mongol:         c^”gen (a few, not much)

Sumerian:       sag2 295,100a (to strike, to hit)
Finnish:        haava (wound, injury)
Hungarian:      seb (")
Turkish:        ‡arpmak (to strike)
Mongol:         s^abda- (it wounds sg/sb,)

Sumerian:       hus 565,58 (to drive)
Finnish:        kuski (driver)
Hungarian:      kocsis (driver)
                kocsi (coach - The word "coach" is derived from the Hungarian
                       but the Hungarian word comes from the Sumerian "hus")
Osmanli Turk:   qos^u (wagon, coach)
Kalmuk Mongol:  xos^ (")
Old Japanese:   kachi (a type of vehicle for nobles)

Sumerian:       s^ag 384,118/9 (to sigh, a sigh)
Lappish:        s^uokket (a sigh)
Hungarian:      s˘hajtozik (it sighs)
Teleut Turk:    s“zI- (")
Mongol:         sugsi- (")

Sumerian:       s^ag 384,2 (word)
Finnish:        s„vel (sound, song)
Hungarian:      sz˘ (word)
Turkish:        s”v (")
Mongol:         jabsi- (it talks a lot)

Sumerian:       s^e 367,58d (to eat)
Finnish:        sy”d„ (it eats)
Hungarian:      eszik (")
Turkish:        yemek (to eat)
Mongol:         j^eme (wolf food)

Sumerian:       s^ug 367,11/2 (big, be big, much)
Finnish:        luku (lots)
Hungarian:      sok (")
Turkish:        ‡ok (")
Mongol:         ‡uçla- (it enlarges sg, it increases sg)

Sumerian:       s^eg8 551,4 (frost, ice, cold)
Finnish:        j„„ (ice)
Hungarian:      j‚g (")
Turkish:        sog^ut (cold)
Mongol:         tsang (frost)

Sumerian:       us^ 4 536,26 (mind, intellect)
Finnish:        huja (mind)
Hungarian:      ‚sz (")
Turkish:        us (intelligence)
Mongol:         ojun (")

Sumerian:       as^ 2 339,8 (to long for, to want)
Finnish:        isota (want)
Hungarian:      ‚hes (hungry)
Turkish:        istemek (to want, to desire)

Sumerian:       gis^ 296,16 (hand)
Finnish:        k„si (")
Hungarian:      k‚z (")
Turkish:        kuuvet (strength, power)
Mongol:         gesign (member, branch)

Sumerian:       zal 231,16 (also: sal, s^al) (to see) 
Finnish:        silm„ (eye)
Hungarian:      szem (")
Mongol:         silibki- (it looks at sg)

Sumerian:       zal(ag) 393,5 (be lighted, star, to shine)
Finnish:        ts'ilkett„ (it shines, it lights up sg)
Hungarian:      csillag (star)
Kyrgyz Turk:    s^olpan (Morning Star, Venus)
Mongol:         j^ilçir- (it shines)

Sumerian:       zir 84,108 (suffering, hurt)
Finnish:        s„rke„ (be in pain)
Hungarian:      sĄr (grave; be crying)
Turkish:        sIzI (ache, pain)
Khalkha Mongol: s^arx (wound)

Sumerian:       izi 172,11/17/13 (fire, oven, ash, to flame up)
Komi (Finnic):  ezj- (it burns)
Hungarian:      izzad (it sweats)
Kyrgyz Turk:    issyk (warm - there is a lake called the Issyk-Kul - "warm
                       lake" in Kyrgyzstan)
Mongol:         isu (ash)

Sumerian:       izi 172.159 (sour)
Finnish:        etikka (")
Hungarian:      ecet (")
Turkish:        eks,i (")
Mongol:         es- (it becomes sour)

Sumerian:       zig 84,45 (to raise oneself, to get oneself up)
Finnish:        l„hte„ (it goes away, it starts off, it escapes)
Hungarian:      sz”kik (it escapes)
Turkish:        ‡Ikmak (to go out, to move out, to graduate)
Mongol:         segelj^e (go in a jumping manner)

Sumerian:       ri 86,41,74 (to fly)
Finnish:        r„pytt„„ (it flies)
Hungarian:      repl- (")
Kyrgyz Turk:    erb„ng (unsupportable, cannot stand up)
Mongol:         erbeji- (it flies)

Sumerian:       sir3 152,3 (also: sur, s^ar) (to sing, song, to compose music)
Finnish:        sirist„„ (it chirps)
Hungarian:      csiripel (")
Turkish:        s,arkI (song)
Mongol:         j^irgi (sing a song, chirp)

Sumerian:       er 50,7 (also: ir, ur) (man, manly)
Finnish:        yrk” (husband)
Hungarian:      Łr (sir, Mr.)
Turkish:        er (man, male)
Mongol:         ere (husband)

Sumerian:       bar 74,100 (to frighten oneself, to scare)
Finnish:        pel„t„ (it fears)
Hungarian:      f‚l (")
Turkish:        perva (")
Ancient Mongol: prk (")

Sumerian:       ur2 203,7 (underground, ground)
Finnish:        ala- (lower part)
Hungarian:      alatt (under)
Turkish:        alt (bottom)
Mongol:         ala (genitals)

Sumerian:       ma 342,98b/10 (also: ma-da) (land, earth, homeland)
Finnish:        maa (land, country)
Hungarian:      megye (county, administrative district)
Uigur Turk:     budun (folk, people)
Mongol:         aymag (county, administrative district)

Maybe the name MAGYAR ("Hungarian" in the Hungarian language) came from MA or

Sumerian:       ma 233,2 (to go)
Finnish:        menn„ (it goes)
Hungarian:      megy (")
Old Turkish:    man- (")

Sumerian:       ma3 233,3a (I)
Finnish:        min„ (I)
Hungarian:      -m (verbal suffix for 1st person ex. esz-ik = it eats, esz-
                em = I eat)
Turkish:        ben (I)
Mongol:         minu (mine)

Sumerian:       eme 237,2 (also: ama) (mother)
Finnish:        em„ (mother, woman, madam, she-)
Hungarian:      anya (mother), emlo" (breast)
Turkish:        ana (mother) emcik (nipple) emmek (to suck)
Mongol:         eme (mother)

Sumerian:       gam 362,6 (it bends over)
Finnish:        kumar- (it bends)
Hungarian:      kamp˘ (hook)
Turkish:        kemer (arch, vault)
Mongol:         qamar (nose - a "bent" facial feature)

Sumerian:       na 97,4 (be named, call)
Finnish:        nimi (name)
Hungarian:      n‚v (")
Turkish:        nam (")
Mongol:         ner (")

Finnish:        omen (apple)
Hungarian:      alma (")
Turkish:        elma (")
Mongol:         alim (")

Sumerian:       du3 230,19 (known, experienced, knowledge)
Finnish:        tunte- (it knows, it meets)
Hungarian:      tud- (it knows), tanul- (it studies) 
Turkish:        tanImak (to know)
Mongol:         todad- (it enlightens sg, it explains sg)

+ - Re: Inquiry on MALEV (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,  
) wrote:

>You who travelled with this airline, please provide us reports and
>opinions concerning comfort, F&B, security, service.

We flew MALEV on  the Rome-Budapest route and back in 1995.  After 
Alitalia, the Rome-Budapest leg was rather ho-hum.  People used to US 
airlines may have been less critical, people used to the likes of
Qantas or Singapore Airlines would have been grimacing.  Legroom on
the planes was as bad as British Airways cattle class, but it is more
tolerable for a couple of hours than for a day.

The Boeing 737 was in the stage of getting tatty: frayed edges on the
seat covers, shadows on the luggage lockers where people touch them.
Service was without a smile by burly stewardesses.  Lunch was a haphazard
collection of Hungarian processed cheese wedges and dried-out white buns, 
cold meats and plenty of very poor quality Hungarian wine - the worst
way to create interest in Hungarian viticulture.

The return leg was much better, the plane was average neat by non-US 
standards, the stewardesses smiling and helpful, the food still non-
descript but alright.  We drank beer.

The best thing about flying MALEV to Budapest is that one arrives at
the new terminal and does not have to endure the quaint 1960s conditions
at the old one.  Whichever way, avoid the taxis at the airport (worse
scalpers than in Mexico City) and go for the Airport Minibus service
which is cheaper for less than 4 people, neat and reliable.  On the 
way back to the airport too, even at 4 a.m.

George Antony
+ - Re: HUNGARIAN POLICE: It s a joke (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >  (Laszlo 
Balogh) writes:
>[...] On The Spot Fines are absolutely uncalled for and a corruptive.

The only time I have been fined (and I did deserve it) I got a paper
to prove it was indeed a legal fine (the other part of the paper
remained in the official booklet): didn't you get such a paper? Or have
*you* tried an unofficial arrangement? Readers will welcome advice :-)

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Jeroen M.W. van Dijk ) wrote:
: As a Dutchman I must strongly say that Holland or Belgium is not a political 
: dwarf. 

You would have been if you'd shared your borders with the former Soviet

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> Johanne L. Tournier  > wrote:
> >
> >It is based on the novel by the Canadian author Michael Ondaatje, who won
> >the Booker Prize in Britain for the book several years ago.
> Thanks for the info, Johanne! You might want to call attention to this
> movie in the HUNGARY list, too, where I can see you participating.
> BTW, from the name of the author I can't figure out what his ethnic
> background is, but "Ondaatje" sure does not sound Hungarian.  So I
> wonder what made him choose his hero to be from such a small, obscure
> country as Hungary is.  We'll probably never know ...
> Regards,
> JoeJoe:
I've not read the book, nor have seen the movie yet, and know nothing of 
Ondaatje, so the following note is pure conjecture. It is possible that 
M. Ondaatje has seen and been much impressed by the movie Casablanca, as 
millions of people have been. It is considered to be one of the very 
great movies, made in 1942, directed by Michael Curtiz (a Hungarian born 
director in Hollywood). Who can forget Rick (Bogart), Ilsa (Ingrid 
Bergman) and Victor Laszlo (Ilsa's husband, a French resistance fighter 
on the run) (Paul Heinreid) in it. Although, strangely, the 
movie's "Laszlo" supposed to have originated from Czechoslovakia, 
Ondaatje, I am sure knew that it is a Hungarian name. Hence the his 
character's name Laszlo Almasy (Almassy?).
Sincerely, Laszlo H.
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Wally Keeler > wrote:
>Gyorgy Kovacs ) writes:
>> Sure. On the same analogy my Trabant could go 220 miles per hour, I'm just
>> being easy on the gas pedal. ;->*
>Trabbie? Anyone with intelligence would prefer in-line skating as more
>reliable mode of transportation than a Trabbie -- now I feel sorry for
1. You proved again that your are unable to comprehend analogies, a sign of a 
weak mind and lack of material knowledge.
2. If you knew anything about the Trabant, you'd know that it was cheap, 
underpowered, and the MOST RELIABLE you could get in Hungary. I guess I should 
feel sorry for your living in darkness. But I don't. You deserve it.
3. You really ran out of tricks.
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Felhivas !!!

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A tovabbi ertelmetlen nyersanyag- es energiapazarles
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Mivel kozerdeku javaslatom az 1977. evi I.tv.-en alapul, a
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