It is a delight to converse with people who ignore words as "idiot" even 
if provoked.
I am not going to respond to your insult because I refuse to go down to 
your intellectual
level. I agree with you when you made the following remark about 
yourself: "I haven't a 
single atom from the Hungarian gene pool inside me".

Remember:

In the list of the so called Hungarian scientists you included Austrians 
like Robert Barany,
Richard Zsiymondy,etc.
The rest of the scientists presented by you are Jews and Slavs.Many of 
them having their 
names magyarized.
 
From Britanica: (About the magyarization of the people in the so called 
Hungary,
starting 1868)

"The magyarization of the towns had proceeded at an ASTOUNDING  RATE.
Nearly all middle-class Jews and Germans,and many middle-class Slovaks ( 
on
whom there was great pressure) and Ruthenes had magyarized"
  
Another point which you should remember:

The Hungarians sent over 300,000 Jews to forced labor camps and  GAS
CHAMBERS 
during WW2.(activity which was concluded proudly by the Hungarians, 
without
German 
supervision).
Knowing these facts, do you think it is easy for the Jews born in Hungary 
,survivors
of the holocaust,(who are living abroad for obvious reasons) to identify 
themselves
as Hungarians?
NOT AT ALL.

On Mon, 01 Jul 96 14:19:23 GMT Peter Szaszvari ) wrote:
| In article >,
|    Ivan Marinov > wrote:
| 
| >Good is what is in harmony with God.
| >
| >Ivan
| 
| Which one?

For the people of the USA -- the one mentioned in the Declaration of
Independence.  The one that created all men equal and endowed them
with certain unalienable rights, among them "life," "liberty," and
"pursuit of happiness."

For the rest of the world -- who cares?  Everybody is free to go to
Russia/China and kill their mother.  As long as they don't show on JFK
and LAX, they are free to excercise their definition of good and bad
as much as they want.

-- 
Penio Penev > 1-212-327-7423

In > 
 (Maria Egorov) wrote:
|I should remind you that the Nobel Prize Winners you prezented to us are 
|all nonHungarians. 

Liviu Iordache presented from Brittanica:
]Wigner, Eugene Paul, (b.Nov.17,1902,Budapest,Hung.)
]Olah, George A. in full GEORGE ANDREW OLAH (b.May 22,1927,Budapest,Hung.) 

Being born in Hungary's capital city confers no Hungarianness upon a
person? Growing up within Hungary, within the Hungarian language, within
the Hungarian culture, within the Hungarian educational system confers no
Hungarianness upon a person? In spite of this Wigner and Olah cannot be
regarded as Hungarians or should be regarded as "nonHungarians" as you put
it? Please explain Maria Egorov. Please do. 

Maria Egorov suggests:
|Reread your history and be careful.

Please explain Maria "and be careful."

Wally the Keeler wrote:
>So if a person is born in Budapest and is Jewish, then they cannot be
>regarded as a Hungarian winner of the Nobel Prize, but only as a Jewish
>winner? A Jew cannot simultaneously be a Hungarian, Canadian, or American?
>Is this the stupidity you are claiming?
>
>George Faludy was born in Budapest, escaped to the USA, then settled in
>Toronto for decades where he wrote many poems and books, cannot be
>regarded as a Hungarian poet, but only as a Canadian poet? Ooops, he's
>Jewish, so he has to be regarded as a Jewish poet regardless of the
>language in which he writes. You are an idiot Maria -- perhaps your yeast
>infection was flaring up when you posted that item.

Maria Egorov postures as a saint:
|It is a delight to converse with people who ignore words as "idiot" even 
|if provoked. I am not going to respond to your insult because I refuse to
|go down to your intellectual level. 

But Liviu Iordache skids to the next level:
]There is a prerequisite for searching Britannica, that is, everybody
]can perform a reasonably successful search except one that has the IQ
]of a cabbage.

Poof, she's coleslaw.

Maria Egorov explained:
|The rest of the scientists presented by you are Jews and Slavs. Many of 
|them having their names magyarized.
|From Britanica: (About the magyarization of the people in the so called 
|Hungary, starting 1868)
|"The magyarization of the towns had proceeded at an ASTOUNDING RATE.
|Nearly all middle-class Jews and Germans, and many middle-class Slovaks 
|(on whom there was great pressure) and Ruthenes had magyarized"
|  
|Another point which you should remember:
|The Hungarians sent over 300,000 Jews to forced labor camps and GAS
                                      \
                                       and the cigany, don't forget
                                       the despised subhuman cigany.

|CHAMBERS during WW2. (activity which was concluded proudly by the
|Hungarians, without German supervision). 
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Adolf Eichmann was only a clerk right?

Maria Egorov claimed:
|Knowing these facts, do you think it is easy for the Jews born in Hungary,
|survivors of the holocaust, (who are living abroad for obvious reasons) to
|identify themselves as Hungarians? NOT AT ALL.

Wrong. The great Hungarian poet, George Faludy, visited my home several
times. He is a Jew. He suffered at the hands of the Nazis. He also suffered
at the hands of the Communists. He is proud of his Hungarian identity, his
Hungarian language, his Hungarian culture. In spite of 20 fruitful and
peaceful years in Toronto, Canada, his Hungarianness compelled him to
return to his beloved Hungary to end his days in his homeland.

A good friend of Faludy's, George Egri, also a Hungarian Jew, who lived in
Toronto for decades, returned to Hungary after the Communists ate dirt. He
was a journalist and columnist in Toronto. I had many visits with him at
his home and mine. When I met up with him in Budapest, he waxed poetic
about being "home, I am home again." George Egri also suffered the same
situation as George Faludy.

Another good friend of George Faludy and George Egri, who is also a
Hungarian Jew, and who shared their experience in Hungary -- also had been
imprisoned together in the infamous Rajk concentration camp, although not
returning to Hungary (because he has a good life in Canada) does not
forsake his Hungarianness. His name is George Gabori. His experiences can
be read in his book, WHEN EVILS WERE MOST FREE.

I'm afraid, your claim that "NOT AT ALL" has no basis in fact. Your type of
claim, that Jews are Jews, and can never be One with the native culture of
any nation, is the mark of an anti-semite. A Jew can be every bit as much
of a Hungarian as a Catholic Hungarian can be Hungarian. 

Maria Egorov claimed:
|The Hungarians sent over 300,000 Jews to forced labor camps and GAS
|CHAMBERS during WW2. (activity which was concluded proudly by the
|Hungarians, 

This should read "Some Hungarians sent over ... (activity which was
concluded proudly by a few Hungarians..." 

Your method of stating it, Maria, suggests that you may well be a racist
slanderer; it is similar to the nationalist, chauvinist blather of that
DUNGarian, Gabor Barfsai who claims, "I know it's a contradiction to be a
Canadian and be educated." Individuals who slander entire peoples with the
broad brush of pejorative archtypes, are simply incapable of discoursing in
a manner that appreciates the nuances and particulars of the mosaic of
life. The same thread appears to pass through Maria and Gagbore Barfsai.
-- 
Wally Keeler					Poetry
Creative Intelligence Agency			is
Peoples Republic of Poetry			Poetency

In our last episode >,
Broadcast on soc.culture.bulgaria,soc.motss,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.magy
ar
 (Penio Penev) wrote:

>On Thu, 04 Jul 96 15:27:37 GMT Peter Szaszvari ) wrote:
>
>| Yeah, that's right!
>| And the ~400 eggs in every born women are human beings and the 
>| trillions of sperms made by men are as well.
>| 
>| What a massacre !!!
>
>A while back I posted a time-table, outlining the landmarks in the
>development of the human being.  Would you please rank youself by it.
>When exactly do you thing the embryo "becomes" a human being?
>
>If you have missed the table, I'll be glad to provide it.

What is the big mystery here?  This has been stated time and
again.

A human being has been born (or delivered by Ceasarian).
If neither has occurred, there is no human being.

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On Mon, 8 Jul 1996, Liviu Iordache wrote:

> Almost 2 months ago Mark Christian (aka Hermes) promised:

Time goes by quick ! I have not forgotten, how could I, after
all Pitigoi's Army is waiting !

m. cristian

Almost 2 months ago Mark Christian (aka Hermes) promised:

Subject:      Tokes, Oaly & Transylvania
From:         Hermes1 >
Date:         1996/05/12
Newsgroups:   soc.culture.romanian,soc.culture.magyar



>>Subject: Re: Transylvania & Tokes
>>Author: Liviu Iordache

>>And more exactly, what he did (said) afterwards? Just post the facts,
>>and leave to those interested in the subject the pleasure of reaching
>>their own conclusions.

>Since it seems to be also an issue amongst some our goodwill filed
>Hungarian 'friends' that haunt scr, I will make the deeds known.
>I shall hereby commission at least 5 essays on 'Tokes & Transylvania'
>all of them  written by local folk, presently living in Oradea. I will
>set an award for the one essay that manages to stay closest to the
>'facts', that you gentleman are showing such a craving after. I will
>post them on scr, and give you the opportunity to vote for the one that has 
>the highest merit in this regard.  Hey, I only strive to please.



Regards,

Liviu Iordache

July 7, 1996
5:11 pm

--  Please
I'm looking for a hungarian painter named TOTH ERNO.
Can you help me?
I need his address (fax, e-mail ecc.) because i love his works.
Thanks
Gianpiero Soglio

II*

Remember
 
From Britanica: (About the magyarization of the people in the so called 
Hungary,
starting 1868)

"The magyarization of the towns had proceeded at an ASTOUNDING  RATE.
Nearly all middle-class Jews and Germans,and many middle-class Slovaks ( 
on
whom there was great pressure) and Ruthenes had magyarized"
  
Another point which you should remember:

The Hungarians sent over 300,000 Jews to forced labor camps and  GAS
CHAMBERS 
during WW2.(activity which was concluded proudly by the Hungarians, 
without
German 
supervision).
Knowing these facts, do you think it is easy for the Jews born in Hungary 
,survivors
of the holocaust,(who are living abroad for obvious reasons) to identify 
themselves
as Hungarians?
NOT AT ALL.
You got the point ,cabbage one?

On Thu, 04 Jul 96 15:27:37 GMT Peter Szaszvari ) wrote:

| Yeah, that's right!
| And the ~400 eggs in every born women are human beings and the 
| trillions of sperms made by men are as well.
| 
| What a massacre !!!

A while back I posted a time-table, outlining the landmarks in the
development of the human being.  Would you please rank youself by it.
When exactly do you thing the embryo "becomes" a human being?

If you have missed the table, I'll be glad to provide it.


-- 
Penio Penev > 1-212-327-7423

On 5 Jul 1996, Nathan Lipson wrote:

> Hard to imagine life away from the net, but I'll be on the road for some time
. 
> I need to check my mail at least. Do you know of Internet Cafes in the
> the following cities:
> 
> Krakow

 I've heard that there are any. Also in Warsaw. I live in Gdansk and I
have no need to visit such a places (I've account in my Poly), so I can't
tell more about it.


           "Kazda dostatecznie zaawansowana technologia
            niczym szczegolnym nie rozni sie od magii"

           Jacek Kijewski, 

In article >,
LEVCHENKO Vladimir > wrote:

> On Sun, 7 Jul 1996, dima wrote:
> 
> > 
> > longer be a threat to the national language.  No sovereign nation can
afford 
> > 
> > the "moral luxury" of allowing a second langauge (which is not
indigenous) to 
>  > 
> > become the second official national language.
> > 
> What about, say, India, Tanzania, Papua New Guinea, Fiji having English as 
> one of the official languages, or, say, New Caledonia having French?
> 
> Besides, why do you think Russian is not indigenous in the territory of the 
> modern Ukrainian state (the same question could be asked about your beloved 
> Lithuania or, say, Estonia)? What is the time frame for a language to 
> become indigenous?

I believe that time has very little to do with it. When Russophones view 
themselves as Ukrainians who are part of a Ukrainian polity only then 
could the language begin to be called indigenous. It is somewhat similar 
to the Norma/Saxon melding. As long as the Normans used French as a club 
to try to suppress the Saxons as part of a larger plan of suppression then 
you really could not call what the Normans spoke an indigenous language. 

As time went on, the Normans stopped seeing themselves as colonists and 
foreigners. Only when the Russians do the same will there be any serious 
consideration of Russian as an indiginous language in the Ukraine. The same 
will be true in Moldova.

Posting from soc.culture.romania
DB

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Be the holy man- I've some info alright for ye Brad
1) There shouldn't be any American Military in Saudi (check the Human 
Rights record)
2) There'd be no Islamic Fundamentalists if it wasn't for the Crusades
3) Your men would never have been hurt if your country wasn't so greedy
for oil (which as a finite resource belonging to the people of Earth 
you've already had more than your fair share)
4) If you'd been handing out food or free education to the Saudis I doubt 
any would have held a grudge against ye.
5) UN policies are none too even handed.

                           Slan

                     Sean Ui Seachnasaigh

Unregistered wrote:
> 
> Be the holy man- I've some info alright for ye Brad
> 1) There shouldn't be any American Military in Saudi (check the Human
> Rights record)
> 2) There'd be no Islamic Fundamentalists if it wasn't for the Crusades
> 3) Your men would never have been hurt if your country wasn't so greedy
> for oil (which as a finite resource belonging to the people of Earth
> you've already had more than your fair share)
> 4) If you'd been handing out food or free education to the Saudis I doubt
> any would have held a grudge against ye.
> 5) UN policies are none too even handed.
> 
>                            Slan
> 
>                      Sean Ui Seachnasaigh
> Even a haggis can be spam!

In article >,  (Nath
an Lipson) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> Mariusz Biedrzycki wrote:
|> | bleblebleble,
|> | stop typing, start thinking (browsing) folks
|> | here is the list of all cybercafe's in Europe:
|> | http://www.xs4all.nl/~bertb/cybercaf.html
|> | and this is one in Krakow:
|> | http://www.bci.krakow.pl/Pl-iso/cafe/index.html
|> | regards
|> | Jurek
|> 
|> Well, is it Mariusz or Jurek?
|> 
|> Stop thinking and start typing -- the second url contains 2 blank lines.

 Not at all... A full page of details... In Polish, of course! :)

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My name is Bob Coret and I am researching the genealogy of the Coret family. 
One thing I still do not know is the meaning and origin of the word 'coret'.

My questions to you:

Does the word 'coret' mean anything in your language ?



Thanks in advance,

Bob Coret
The Netherlands

Brad Smith wrote:
> 
> Terrorist Bombing of the Khobar Towers, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
> 
> On June 25, 1996, a brutal and cowardly terrorist attack on a
> multi-national peacekeeping force in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia left 19 dead
> and hundreds injured. These peacekeepers were enforcing United Nations
> sanctions and the dead and injured represent citizens from several
> nations.
> 
> The United States Department of State is offering a reward of up to $2
> million for information leading to the arrest and/or conviction of those
> responsible for the Khobar Towers bombing.  Additionally, the Government
> of Saudi Arabia is offering a reward of $3 million.
> 
> Persons wishing to report information about the bombing of the Khobar
> Towers facility, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia; other terrorist attacks; or the
> planning of future terrorist attacks; should contact the authorities or
> the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate. In the U.S., contact the Federal
> Bureau of Investigation or call the Bureau of Diplomatic Security at
> 1-800-HEROES-1. Persons with information may also write:
> 
> HEROES
> P.O. Box 96781
> Washington, D.C. 20090-6781 USA
> 
> Internet e-mail: 
> 
> URL:  http://www.heroes.net

Porque e' que ninguem me apresenta estes gajos que anda
toda a gente a' procura? 5 milhoes davam um certo jeito:
estou a precisar de comprar uns CD's que sairam agora no
Verao...umas cassetes...um auto-radio...um carro para por
o auto-radio...uma garagem para por o carro...uma casa 
para por a garagem...e um jardim para por a casa!
  
Por isso pessoal, ja sabem! Se alguem sabe alguma coisa,
mande-me um e-mail! Podemos dividir os patacos ao meio!
2,5 milhoes para cada um! (Eu nao sou sovina!)

Marauder!
-- 

                

 The Soul of the Dead Warriors 

                

Hoy i Brad Smith ) tamin' ny Fri, 05 Jul 1996 15:05:13 -0400 
hoe:
: Terrorist Bombing of the Khobar Towers, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia

: On June 25, 1996, a brutal and cowardly terrorist attack on a 
: multi-national peacekeeping force in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia left 19 dead 
: and hundreds injured. These peacekeepers were enforcing United Nations 
: sanctions and the dead and injured represent citizens from several 
: nations. 

: The United States Department of State is offering a reward of up to $2 
: million for information leading to the arrest and/or conviction of those 
: responsible for the Khobar Towers bombing.  Additionally, the Government 
: of Saudi Arabia is offering a reward of $3 million.

: Persons wishing to report information about the bombing of the Khobar 
: Towers facility, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia; other terrorist attacks; or the 
: planning of future terrorist attacks; should contact the authorities or 
: the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate. In the U.S., contact the Federal 
: Bureau of Investigation or call the Bureau of Diplomatic Security at 
: 1-800-HEROES-1. Persons with information may also write:

: HEROES
: P.O. Box 96781
: Washington, D.C. 20090-6781 USA

: Internet e-mail: 

: URL:  http://www.heroes.net

Why don't you take the 5 million dollars and get the hell out of Saudi 
Arabia. In fact, get the hell out of other people's countries and 
business so that they do not need to become "fundamentalists". 

Also, if using "any means necessary" to rid your country (or your house) 
of vermine is cowardly then you US citizens have no idea what patriotism 
and the love of your country is all about. 

It is so easy to sit there and blame other people for trying to protect 
their land when US people are many times worse when it comes to theirs. 
How do you think people in the US will react if Yemen decided to send 
5000 soldiers to Columbia, Missouri to protect its interests there? Just 
the same way. In fact, this has been happening all through the history of 
the US (whites hate black and vice versa, whites hate latinos and vice 
versa etc....).

SO PLEASE STOP THE HYPOCRISY AND ADMIT THAT THE US HAS NO RIGHT TO BE IN 
SAUDI ARABIA (OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY FOR THAT MATTER) AND EXPECT THERE TO 
BE NO RESISTANCE.

Peace,
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