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1 Re: Need Genealogy Researcher (mind)  14 sor     (cikkei)
2 Kossuth and others? (was: query) (mind)  46 sor     (cikkei)
3 Help w/info! (mind)  10 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: American needs Hungarian cultural help (mind)  9 sor     (cikkei)
5 forwarded posting with a Hungarian connection (mind)  41 sor     (cikkei)
6 Genealogical Services, Hungary need (mind)  6 sor     (cikkei)
7 Re: Help w/info! (mind)  19 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: query (mind)  13 sor     (cikkei)
9 Re: If you build a better mouse trap... (mind)  8 sor     (cikkei)
10 Re: American needs Hungarian cultural help (mind)  25 sor     (cikkei)
11 Re: A comment by and to "Joseph U. & Sharon W. Hill" (mind)  29 sor     (cikkei)
12 Re: American needs Hungarian cultural help (mind)  171 sor     (cikkei)
13 Re: American needs Hungarian cultural help (mind)  25 sor     (cikkei)
14 Re: Need Genealogy Researcher (mind)  30 sor     (cikkei)
15 Re: American needs Hungarian cultural help (mind)  81 sor     (cikkei)
16 Hungary next? (mind)  14 sor     (cikkei)
17 Message to Marina (mind)  18 sor     (cikkei)
18 Re: Need Genealogy Researcher (fwd) (mind)  24 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: Need Genealogy Researcher (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Tony and Celia Becker wrote:

> Are you aware that the city that used to be called Pressburg is now called
> Bratislava and is in the Czech republic? (southeast corner at Hungarian
> border--it was part of the Trianon booty...)

I may not know my geography well, but it seems to me that Pressburg'
other name is Pozsony (in Hungarian) and while at the time of my '84
visit it was indeed inside Czechoslovakia, it is now the capital of the
Slovak (not the CZECH!!) Republic.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Martha
+ - Kossuth and others? (was: query) (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Dear folks,

This is getting more and more interesting!

Yesterday Louis Elteto mentioned a town in NW Ohio.  I could not find it
in my atlas.  Today he told us that it was close to Lima, OH.

Here is another one, within my easy reach, and the information is coming
straight from South Africa!  (BTW: it is in Pennsylvania, NOT in OHIO.)
I don't think that Istvan would mind my forwarding it to you all.

Any more?

Keep sending them!
Martha


>From  Thu Jun 20 00:50:20 1996
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 14:02:11 +0200
From: Istvan Pajor >
To: 
Subject: where is `Kossuth'

Dear Martha,
you were asking about the locality of the village `Kossuth' in NW
Ohio.
It has the geographic coordinates: 41.17N / 79.35W and is in Venango
country, halfway on the road from Franklin (at the Allegheny river)
to Clarion (at the Clarion river). As the crow flies it is 100km NE
from Pittsburgh.

Best regards
Udvozlettel
Istvan

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Istvan Pajor
Dept. Zoology & Entomology
University of Natal, Pietermaritzburg
Private Bag X01
Scottsville-Pietermaritzburg   3209
SOUTH AFRICA
tel.:   +27-331-2605126
fax.:   +27-331-2605105
email    
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+ - Help w/info! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Hi, Ive read that there is an agency in Hungary that tracks
down birth certificates.  I'm looking for my mother's.

Does anybody have any info regarding this???


Thanks in advance,


Mike
+ - Re: American needs Hungarian cultural help (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

George,

I am not certain that - when it comes to immigrants, intellectuals fit in
more - or easier.  What about Solzenyitsin?  (sp?)  Perhaps we could
start at the facility of learning a foreign language.  If you have a
knack for it, it gives you the edge and lets you break out of your inner
circle.

Martha
+ - forwarded posting with a Hungarian connection (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

There is an article written by someone with a Hungarian name in the
following forwarded posting.  If you have time, you may want to check it out.

Martha

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:12:06 +1000
From: Peter White >
To: Multiple recipients of list FLTEACH >
Subject: TOC: On-CALL June 96

On-CALL:  The Australian Journal of Computers and Language Education

Vol10, No. 2.  TABLE OF CONTENTS

The efficacy of CALL in Kanji learning
        Sato Van Aachen

Fully Integrated CALL: mission accomplished
        Brian McCarthy

Using the concordancer in vocabulary development for the Cambridge Advanced
English (CAE) Course
        Emma Somogyi

Software Review:  "Power Japanese, Version 2.0"
        Taeko Imura

Software review: "Mastering German Grammar" - a personal German grammar
tutor
        Alan Corkhill

On-CALL Articles on the Web:

Integrating CALL into the language syllabus
        Stephen Heimans

For details about subscribing to On-CALL, contact Dr Michael Levy; email
        

The On-CALL Web page: http://www.cltr.uq.oz.au:8000/oncall
+ - Genealogical Services, Hungary need (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Dear All,

I require help with research in Hungary of a genealogical nature.
Please let me know if you can help me, and if so what your rates
and experience are.  Please advise asap.  Thank you.  Regards.
James 
+ - Re: Help w/info! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 11:05 PM 6/19/96 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Hi, Ive read that there is an agency in Hungary that tracks
>down birth certificates.  I'm looking for my mother's.
>
>Does anybody have any info regarding this???
>
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>
>Mik
>
I am also interested in seeing an answer to this question posted in the
newsgroup. It is so hard to find information for genealogy in Hungary that
any help would be greatly appreciated.

Shirl

+ - Re: query (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

The Vasvary  Collection is in the Somogyi Konyvtar in Szeged.

See also, Mutato a Vasvary-gyujtemenyhez, by Csillag Andras, published by the
library.

When Kossuth visited the U.S. in 1851 he was immensly popular. All his speeches
were published in the press and also published in book form. He even influenced
the style of clothing. For a time "Kossuth hats" were all the rage!

There is a kossuth street in Somerset, NJ too. And at one time there was a
Kossuthville in Florida.

Bob Hosh
+ - Re: If you build a better mouse trap... (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

on 18 Jun 1996 23:57:01 -0400
 (Stowewrite) wrote:
[.....]
>P.S.S. -- Anyone have some ideas for alternate song titles for Kovacs
ur's
>distinctive product? "Some Enchanted Evening" springs to mind.

How about just a voice saying: " Can you name this tune? "
+ - Re: American needs Hungarian cultural help (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

>Agnes Heringer wrote:
>
>> Thank you, George, for defending me.
>
>Think nothing of it, it's only fair.
>
>>Actually, I am glad to read on this
>> forum that I and all my friends and acquaintances are in the minority!
>
>I don't think that one can be that unequivocal about that.  This list
>cannot be taken as a representative sample of Hungarian migrants.  More
>likely, it has among its members mainly intellectuals who, in my experience,
>are generally more adaptable than working-class people.
>
>George Antony
>
>George:I don't consider myself intellectual,far from it.As a salesman in Canad
a
I don't know in wich "group" I belong to.This list I hope is not only
intellectuals,however I found that most of them use that language.Well
education
ubiverity or college,in my humble opinion does not give a wide range of
knowledge,especialy not people knowledge.My experience was to be trying to
melt in the masses.I think I was quite succesfull in it.
Andy Kozma
+ - Re: A comment by and to "Joseph U. & Sharon W. Hill" (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

S. Bihari wrote:
>
> Returned mail: User unknown (fwd)
>
> Sorry; I needed to send this through the list since Jozsi has no e-mail
> address.
>
> From http: Wed Jun 12 16:47:37 1996
> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:17:32 -0700
> From: "Joseph U. & Sharon W. Hill" <"http://candles"@community.net>
> To: "S. Bihari" >
> Subject: Re: A new Marshall Plan and other economic matters
>
> (snip)
>
> > Martha"Give me a fish and you've fed me for a day. Teach me to fish and you
> have fed me for life!"
> Jozsi
>
> Jozsi,
> Your motto is used by - I believe - the Peace Corps.  I subscribe to it
> wholeheartedly!
>
> Thanks for your input.
> MarthaHi!
Somehow a ' " ' -mark got into my e-mail address: http:
Sincerely
Udvarhelyi Hill Jozsi - "az jo oreg gyertyafarago"
http://community.net/~candles/
+ - Re: American needs Hungarian cultural help (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >, 
says...
>
>>In article >,

>>says...
>>>
>>>>In article >,
 says...
>>>>>
>>>>>Quoting Agnes Heringer
>>>>>
>>>>>>As far as I am concerned, the cultural difference cannot be
bridged.
>>>>>
>>>>>Dear Agnes:
>>>>>
>>>>>If I were made to believe this statement to be a fact, I would truly
>>>>>consider the threat of humanity to be in danger of extinction...
This,
>>>>is
>>>>>an exteremely serious statement, one which I wholeheartedly disagree
>>>>with!
>>>>>I give humanity  more credit than this.... and have, and and
exercised
>>>>it,
>>>>>and so far, it has not yet let me down.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now, if you were to say that religious differences cannot be
bridged, I
>>>>>would give your thought pattern the necessary leaway it deserves...
but
>>>>>cultural?... No bloody way!  I repeat,.... I give humanity far more
>>>>credit
>>>>>that that!  Sorry Agnes, your statement is truly "out to lunch" at
least
>>>>in
>>>>>my opinion!
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>Aniko
>>>>
>>>>Aniko, I came with my family to Canada in 1963. I have worked 30
years in
>>>>Canadian companies.  So did my husband.  Maybe it is our fault,
however,
>>>>all my friends and acquaintances - unless intermarried - are in the
same
>>>>boot.  In all these years, I had one non-Hungarian girlfriend, who
>>>>happened to be British (European culture) and repatriated 18 years
ago.
>>>>There is one Canadian couple (I used to work with the husband) with
whom
>>>>we occasionally get together.  As I mentioned in my note, that does
not
>>>>mean that we do not get on with each other - I have terrific rapport
with
>>>>my son-in-laws - but simply, we are on another plane culturally.
>>>>I was 30 when I came to Canada, but I have friends who were
>>>>18 and have the same problem.  Incidentally, those who emigrated to
the
>>>>US, fare a little bit better, I am told.
>>>>
>>>>Regards, Agnes
>>>>
>>>>Agnes:somewhere something went wrong.I came to Canada in 57 all by
>>>myself.It is ture that in the beginning my free time was spent with
other
>>>Hungarians,but somehow I managed to marry a french Canadian girl,and
this
>>>brought us a Son.They both live now in the Us.We had more hungarian
friends
>>>then canadian,this is true,but I can not understand what "cultural
>>>differences"you can find beetween two human beings.Ok.so you like
opera,I
>>>like Frank Sinatra and big band.Just wondering how much effort if any
you
>>>pur into understandung the Canadian "Culture"?
>>>I live now in Toronto and I hardly have any Hungarian friends,most of
them
>>>past away,and I sociolise with canadians more then ever before.We both
have
>>>our respect for each other,and mutualy aggree or disagree on subject.
>>>Agnes,I wish you could tell me what you find so different beetween the
2
>>>cultures,and then I might agree with you.
>>>Andy Kozma.
>>
>>
>>Andy, I just had a private correspondence on this with Aniko.  You are
both
>>intermarried.  I mentioned that those who intermarried are different.
What
>>are the differences?  I don't like hockey or baseball, rock music or
>>megamusicals.  I am sorry, I tried.  Just as in all these years I
couldn't
>>get used to Bartok, no matter who is playing his violin concerto.  I
>>remember lunch hours when I was just unable to join conversations about
>>ballgames, sex talks, etc.  Yes, I could converse about children,
camping
>>and office "traccs".  I remember the only colleague I could discuss
>>Stratford was a Hong Kong Chinese. - We could get a 50% discount to
>>Stratford and the opera.  There were 5 of us who took advantage of the
50%
>>opera susbscription.  I used to work for Esso....  I envy you both.
>>Agnes:I am sorry,but I can not agree with you.First when we lived in
>Hungary we discussed soccer,sports entertainment and socoial life
including
>sex.Then we were younger.Second,my intermarriage broke up after 6
years,and
>I never had too much going on with my inlawa.Metter of fact they did not
>even come to our wedding since we were different in our religion.
>Third,I made all the effort from the very beginning on,to try to
assimilate
>myself to the anglo/saxon language.Most of the other Hungarians were
very
>close together,still talking Hungarian.I realised that this will be my
new
>home,and the most important thing was to learn the language.With that I
>think came to like Hockey especialy in Montreal,and football.But don't
think
>this was the msot important in my life.It was to make a living helping
to
>bring up my Son,and fianly having some fun.No I did not go to any
concert,I
>still hate rock "music".
>For me it is noise,but the "old"style music still gives me shivers.
>My present wife was born in Canada and most of our friends are
>Canadians.But,and there is a big But Agnes,don't forget the canadians
are
>all emmigrants.From all over the world,and we except them,and let them
have
>there own culture,not as in the Us,where evrybody has to have the
american
>"culture".Now if you have anything against that,I will aggree with you.
>I just wish Agi,that you would look at anyone else as a human being.We
all
>have differences,but somwhere there we could find something wich is
mutualy
>agreed on.Now that I am retiered I lost lots of friends from either
side,but
>through this marvelous invention Internet,I am able to correspond all
over
>the world,not just "Hungary".I find it amasing and very enjoyable since
this
>way you don't see the people,they don't see you,so you are on a blind
date.
>I hope,and I wish I was able to explain why I think my way,and why I
hope
>maybe you will try not to be so stringent about cultures.
>Bets regards:Andy.
>>
 God, Andy you all think I am in an ivory tower!  I am not!  I didn't
even go on the internet for the Hungarian connection!  I went because my
husband suffers from a progressive, degenerative brain disease - not
Alzheimers, a different type of dementia, very-very rare.  He is
completely mute now and doesn't understand anything, can't read or write
and I was looking for some kind of support group on the internet.  I
discovered this group by "surfing".

I also agree with you in that I wish Canada would be like the US -
melting pot and not mosaic.  I also lived 14 years in Montreal prior to
coming to Toronto.  We were members of the Viking Ski club (x-country)
and I am still missing them.  Here we are members of a bridge club.
Everybody is great, however, now, that my husband's bridge is pitiful,
only the Hungarians are inviting us for social bridge.  And my closest
friends are still Hungarians.  I can't change that.  But I am glad that
my daughters are "real" Canadians, although some times they also show
some "csokeveny"european mentality...

Regards, Agnes
+ - Re: American needs Hungarian cultural help (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,
 says...
>
>Agnes Heringer wrote:
>
>> Thank you, George, for defending me.
>
>Think nothing of it, it's only fair.
>
>>Actually, I am glad to read on this
>> forum that I and all my friends and acquaintances are in the minority!
>
>I don't think that one can be that unequivocal about that.  This list
>cannot be taken as a representative sample of Hungarian migrants.  More
>likely, it has among its members mainly intellectuals who, in my
experience,
>are generally more adaptable than working-class people.
>
>George Antony

I don't have any working class people among my friends/acquaintances.  I
think 99% of the 56 generation were intellectuals, the 48 generation
business people.

Regards, Agnes
+ - Re: Need Genealogy Researcher (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,
 says...
>
>Dear Doc;
>
>At 06:15 AM 6/19/96 GMT, you wrote:
>
>>I am looking for someone who can help in my research of Belasco's from
>>Pressburg Hungary, who immigrated about July 1902 to the US.
>>
>>Thank you,
>>
>>D.R."Doc" Begnal-Young,  
>
>Are you aware that the city that used to be called Pressburg is now
called
>Bratislava and is in the Czech republic? (southeast corner at Hungarian
>border--it was part of the Trianon booty...)
>
>Cecilia L. Fa'bos-Becker
>San Jose, CA
>
>
>
>N0BBS, Cecilia L. Fabos-Becker -  - San Jose, CA

Bratislava is in Slovakia, not in the Czeh republic.  THe Hungarian name
is Pozsony.

Regards, Agnes
+ - Re: American needs Hungarian cultural help (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,
 says...
>
>At 08:47 AM 6/20/96 +1000, you wrote:
>>Agnes Heringer wrote:
>>> Thank you, George, for defending me.
>>
>        >Think nothing of it, it's only fair.
>>
>>>Actually, I am glad to read on this
>>> forum that I and all my friends and acquaintances are in the
minority!
>>
>        >I don't think that one can be that unequivocal about that.
This list
>        >cannot be taken as a representative sample of Hungarian
migrants.  More
>        >likely, it has among its members mainly intellectuals who, in
my
>experience,
>        >are generally more adaptable than working-class people.
>----------------
>Hi all!  Really, a last quick note on this George/Agnes:  (you'll both
like
>this, I promise)
>
>Re 2nd last line above....George could you define "mainly intellectuals"
>please?  but do so after July 9th, so that I can respond?
>
>Agnes:  Taking it from my somewhat obnoxious reply in answer to your
>original post ( for which, I really have apologized).... but Boy, a boy!
>When I loose it, I do it well.... It was not until the last post, that I
>actually saw what you wrote:  "those who are NOT intermarried".... for
>extremely stupidly I thought I read (and read again, and again)  "those
who
>ARE intermarried".... and based my entire 2nd response to your post
>accordingly.... Explanation you ask?,  Well, let's just 'humbly" say;
the
>most amazing display of stupidity by Aniko herself!!!!.....(although,
other
>adjectives have popped to mind).
>
>Important, to note that in reality, I do and will continue to stand by
the
>philosphy of my posts which responded to yours wholeheartedly.   In this
>particular instance however, had I read what you originally wrote; would
>likely have approached it altogether differently... (and who ever said,
that
>this group is not capable of teaching a few lessons along the
way....???)
>
>So sorry again to you Agnes....along with the rest of you who most
likely
>comprehended from the beginning...and were making plans on my behalf to
>enroll me in the next "basic English comprehension" lesson.....thanks
for
>being patient!!!!
>
>George again:  re your last three words above.... can we take that up,
after
>July 9th? Having been raised in a family of working class, I can argue
that
>point quite strongly...since the circumstances of "that life" along with
>examples set,  have taught me well (oh well... rather well... I still
mess
>up now and then). And I would still love to pick from here... perhaps
>privately?  (you know... to save face and all)!
>
>
>Best regards,
>Aniko Dunford
>
>>
Have a nice vacation, Aniko!  Pls. read my reply to Andy on the subject.
Also, my opinion is that being raised in a working class family doesn't
mean not to be an intellectual!  My husband was the prototype of a
"munkaskader", but he became an intellectual!  Also, I have a good friend
who only finished 8 elemi and by self-education, and seldom met anybody
who would be more cultured than this guy.

Regards, Agnes
+ - Hungary next? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

There's an incredible mlm company that has created a business opportunity
which is active across 19 countries. As they plan to expand to over 40 I
am guessing that Hungary maybe one of their new countries.

Therefore, I am looking to make contact with as many Hungarians as
possible who may be interested in receiving information about this company
right now so as to prepare the way for a possible launch. Those who are
ready and in position will be able to make the greatest returns from this
global business opportunity.

email    -   NOW

Tim Rothwell
London, England
+ - Message to Marina (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,   says...
[snip]..

Marina,

Could you please answer my last e-mailings to you? If the item in
question was posted by you and has perhaps gone astray, that's okay
and we'll leave it at that, but I don't understand why you are ignoring
my request for a confirmation. I'm not trying on a scam or wind up:
I'd just like to know.

Thanks,

George

--
 George Szaszvari, DCPS Chess Club, 42 Alleyn Park, London SE21 7AA, UK
 Planet Earth, Milky Way Galaxy **** NW London Computer Club **** ICPUG
+ - Re: Need Genealogy Researcher (fwd) (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Sorry, folks, if this is a duplicate, but I have not seen it appear on
the list yet and it's been 24 hrs...

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 00:43:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: S. Bihari >
To: Tony and Celia Becker >
Cc: Multiple recipients of list HUNGARY >
Subject: Re: Need Genealogy Researcher

On Wed, 19 Jun 1996, Tony and Celia Becker wrote:

> Are you aware that the city that used to be called Pressburg is now called
> Bratislava and is in the Czech republic? (southeast corner at Hungarian
> border--it was part of the Trianon booty...)

I may not know my geography well, but it seems to me that Pressburg's
other name is Pozsony (in Hungarian) and while at the time of my '84
visit it was indeed inside Czechoslovakia, it is now the capital of the
Slovak (not the CZECH!!) Republic.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Martha

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