>In article >,  (AND Books) writes:
>> Peter I. Hidas ) wrote:
> >: I believe the expression comes from "szervusz", that is from the Latin
>> : word.    Szervusz eventually became szevasz, than szia., sziasztok.
>> : Peter I. Hidas, Montreal
>>.
> >I'll see you later... see ya later... see ya! = szia
>> keep it simple
>> later, ciao :)
>> janos
>>
>>
 > I think, "SZIA" comes from "SERVUS". The second theory is basically wrong,
>because "SZIA" can used at beginning of meeting, not just at end. The latin
>"SERVUS" is usable in same way, but the englis "SEE YOU" isn't.

>Sziasztok:
               > Endre

The word "HELLO" is also used in Basic Conversational Hungarian today.  It is
used for both greeting and for saying good-bye.  (This reminds me of a Beatles
song from the '60's "You say hello, when I say good-bye.")  Many Hungarians are
very surprised to learn that "HELLO" does NOT mean "viszlat!" or
"viszontlatasra!" in English.

As the years go by, I am more and more convinced that "SZIA" comes from the ver
y
common American term "SEE YA."  It's probably a product of a lot of American
films on European television for many years--and now in Hungarian video stores!
During the 1970's, 1980's many Hungarians--in record numbers--traveled to the
United States, this possibly adding to the "phenomenon."

Endre, please accept my best wishes,

See ya,

Tom

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Thanks for all of you who help this lady!
Great job :)
My best wishes,
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 20:04:39 -0400
From: Miriam Darvas >
To: 
Subject: Darvas

Hello Gotthard:  I though you might be interested waht happened after you
send my query to you about Darvas in April. You send the message through
USENET and voila! Things happened. Your friend in the Library of Congress
referred me to the U. of Chicago, where some of Darvas' works are located.
Shortly thereafter, I received information inlcluding a biography, from the
Slovak National Library. They are making copies of a book of poems and
sending them to me. Thank you for your tremendous help. Miriam
                         Miriam Darvas
                                               Placerville CA 95667
                                                   USA

On Mon, 22 May 1995, Lynnette E. Schatten wrote:

> Hi, I'm looking for an English-teaching position in Eastern Europe, either
> Czechoslovakia or Hungary.  Do you have any suggestions?  (Sorry if this
> is inappropriate--I just noticed so many of your posts about Hungarian
> cultural events that I thought you wouldn't mind.)
> Thanks!
> Lynnette

Hi Lynette,
Peace Corps is sending its members to Hungary, Slovakia and the Czech
Republic for various jobs. Check out my WWW home page, for jobs,
internships, felloships available in Hungary. There, you can find the
address of many other Hungarian universities, organizations, that
might have the job you want . You might also want to contact these
countries' embassies in D.C.
Take care,
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> ===========================================================================
Czech Republic :

3900 Spring of Freedom Street NW, Suite 705, Washington D.C. 20008;
telephone (202) 363-6315.

Hungary :

3910 Shoemaker Street, NW, Washington D.C. 20008;
telephone (202) 362-6730

Slovakia :

2201 Wisconsin Avenue NW, Suite 380, Washington D.C. 20007;
telephone (202) 965-5161.

> ========================================================================
Other :
You can contact:
        TEACH HUNGARY
        175 High St.
        Ste. 433
        Belfast, ME 04915
        Tel/Fax (207) 338-6852

Also, the Peace Corp has started sending English teahers to Hungary.
She should know that she WILL NOT be in Budapest, but some other
city or town.

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In article >, Joe Pannon
> writes:
>Tomek Jankowski > wrote:
>>
>>        "Wegier, Polak, dwa bratanki
>>         Tak do szabli, jak do szklanki!"
>>
>>        "Magyar es lengyel, ket jo barat
>>         s kozt poharral es karddal egyarant."
>
>Przepraszam Pane Tomku, ale ja to pamietam troche inaczej:
>
>   "Polak, Wegier, dwa bratanki,
>    I do szabli, i do szklanki!"
>
>   "Lengyel, magyar, ket jo barat,
>    Egyutt harcol, s issza borat."
>
>Joe ("Jozek") Pannon
>
>PS:  Sorry folks, but I couldn't resist this rare chance to use my rusty
>Polish with an obvious friend of ours.

I've heard several versions, i po-polsku i po-wegiersku. I was quite surprised
to discover that many knew this jingle in Budapest and Pecs, where I studied -
even the Polish version.
     Another bit of Polish-Hungarian trivia: For those who visit Krakow, listen
to the famous dirge played from atop Kosciola sw. Mariacka at noon every day.
It's called the "hejnal" in Polish. It's played at noon now, because it was the
only song a trumpateer could think of to play to warn the populace that the
Mongols were approaching in 1241, but it was a part of a series of songs played
every morning at the time as a sort of wake up call - borrowed, as the name
implies, from the Hungarian term for "dawn". Incidently, the song stops sudden-
ly in the middle of a note, at which point reportedly a Mongol arrow pierced
the trumpateer's throat.
- Tomek J.

Thanks for all of you, who helped this lady!
Great job :)
My best wishes,
Gotthard

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 20:04:39 -0400
From: Miriam Darvas >
To: 
Subject: Darvas

Hello Gotthard:  I though you might be interested waht happened after you
send my query to you about Darvas in April. You send the message through
USENET and voila! Things happened. Your friend in the Library of Congress
referred me to the U. of Chicago, where some of Darvas' works are located.
Shortly thereafter, I received information inlcluding a biography, from the
Slovak National Library. They are making copies of a book of poems and
sending them to me. Thank you for your tremendous help. Miriam
                         Miriam Darvas
                                               Placerville CA 95667
                                                   USA

*  6:30 PM 06/04/95 SUNDAY               THE HUNGARIAN PM's VISIT
****************************************
The Prime Minister of Hungary - Gyula Horn - is going to give a talk
about the Hungarian government's program on the
4th of June ( Whitsun Sunday )

The title of his talk is :
Magyarorsza'g gazdasa'gi e's ku~lpolitikai to~rekve'sei az
a'talakula's uta'n  ( a beszed magyarul lesz )
[ Hungary's ambitions in economics and foreign politics
  after the transition period . (the talk is in Hungarian) ]

After the talk, the ambassador of the Republic of the Hungary
is going to give a reception to honor the PM .

The PM stays in Washington, D.C.  from the 4th till the 7th of June, 1995

 Embassy of the Republic of Hungary.
 2950 Spring of Freedom Street, N.W.
 Washington, D.C.

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Hi!
I'm from Bp.
I didn't want to spend a lot of time here, but I can't really
understand some things you have written.

 >
 >All,
 >
 >I THINK that I will finally take a trip to visit Hungary in June.  Though
 >I may only be there 2-3 weeks, as opposed to the 4 weeks I planed last year,
 >I hope to see as much as possible.

It's a very good idea.

 >
 >If any of you are or will be in Budapest about June 5 to June 25, and
 >wouldn't mind some company or to show a stranger around if you know
 >the place, please let me know.  The dates are not final since I haven't
 >decided yet if I want to skip the world famous Hungarian Festival in
 >New Brunswick, New Jersey on June 3.  If I attend it I will lose 4 days
 >in Hungary, but I'd hate to miss it!
 >
 >Does anyone know about festivals or concerts happening in June?  Also,  I'm
 >seriously considering a few days in Erdely, possibly in Kolozsvar.  Anyone
 >who'll be there interested?

I don't know, but I can look for some programs, if you want.

 >
 >Also, does anyone know about train travel times to Erdely?  How about
 >the time to Debrecen, Tokaj, Sopron and Vienna?  And the cost?

to Debrecen : about 3 hours form Bp.
   Tokaj : 2 hours to Balaton
   Sopron : If I were you, I'd go to Vienna through Sopron
            Sopron : about 3 or 4 hours (depended on the train)
            Vienna : ??? (I've never gone to Vienna by train)

 >
 >I'm trying to estimate the cost per day, and I'm currently using $25/day.
 >Is that 'reasonable' for sightseeing?  I'm guessing $5/day for travel,
 >$5/day for food, and $15/day to do stuff (concerts tickets, museum entry,
 >night club entry with a few beers, though I'm only interested in 2-3 nights
 >in nightclubs, just to see what they're like).  Is this 'reasonable'?
 >I don't want to be cheap and not do things while I'm there, but I don't
 >expect to Five Star it either.  Can someone give typical prices for a
 >day of sightseeing, and the costs at some sites?

It's a hard question! I think, you'll spend more. Hungary is cheaper
than western countries, but it isn't so cheap.
I think you want to have lunch in a restaurant (5$), visit some fast
food sites (McD.... 5$). Pubs and nightclubs are not so expensive (max. 5$).

A good concert ticket - 500-1000Ft
A museum entry - about 100-200Ft
A bus ticket in Bp. - 35Ft (it's good for tram, underground .... as well).

 >Food (a nice typical restaurant meal at a local family place)=300-400Ft
 >entry at a few well known museums (can't think of examples now)= (above)
 >                 You'll find a lot of them!                    =
 >                                                               =
 >monthly transit pass in Budapest (where do I get it?)= about 1500 Ft

You can get it in ticket offices at every station.

 >price of a room outside of Budapest(I think I have a place in Bp)= ???
 >        I was told that you can always find a room for rent by
 >        visiting the local trian station (in or out of Bp.  Does
 >        anyone know if this is realistic?  A friend said he did
 >        this whenever he went to a new town by train - people
 >        would come up to you, or the ticket clerk at the station
 >        would refer you to someone who rents room - usually $5-$10
 >        per night.  can anyone say something about this?

?????????????????????????????????????
I don't know anything about it! I think you should look for rooms in Bp.
They can recommend some country sites to you.

 >
 >I'm basically trying to understand if $500 for 3 weeks is reasonable,
 >plus more for gifts ofcourse.

?????????????????????????????????????
I don't know! It must be enough.

 >
 >I forgot this: cost of train ticket to Debrecen, Tokaj, Sopron and Vienna
 >and Erdely?

about:
Debrecen : 700Ft
Tokaj : 450Ft
Sopron : 700-800Ft
Vienna : ???

 >
 >Thanks,
 >
 >        Paul Gelencser

BYE!

VB