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2 Re: Karman (mind)  30 sor     (cikkei)
3 pannon (mind)  39 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: Another treaty or treason? Reply-To: cd482@FreeNet (mind)  35 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: Hungarian Music Help (mind)  12 sor     (cikkei)
6 More funny business from Bratislava (mind)  170 sor     (cikkei)
7 Re: Kosshut vs. Avram Iancu (mind)  27 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: Autonomia? ugye mar, kit is erdekel...... (mind)  18 sor     (cikkei)
9 Hungarian Folk Music Concerts By Ghymes Ensemble @ Ada, (mind)  60 sor     (cikkei)
10 Re: Free Pictures New Web Site (mind)  7 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: Contact (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,
T. Kocsis  > wrote:
>In article > Gabor Barsai,
>>Contact Brigitta Bali, the militant feminist chick on the ng.
>Te, lehet, hogy ez a férje...

Nem lehet. Brigi tudvalevoleg a falu bolondjahoz (Wally Keeler kolto
onjelolthoz) ment felesegul, es azota is harciasan vedelmezi mikor nagyon
kiderul hogy o meg ahhoz is keves mint mackosajtban a brummogas.
+ - Re: Karman (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,
	HipCat > writes:

> Kedves Pista Bacsi!
> Fantastic and touching article on Karman!!!!!  May I add it (and
> translate it?) to my page on famous Hungarian-Americans?  Also, if you
> have any suggestions or additions let me know.  You can access my page
> from the link below. You may also want to translate it and resubmit the
> article here.
> Udv. 
> HipCat
>Visit my homepage!  http://mason.gmu.edu/~achassel/

 Your homepage is really nice. I see that your intentions are good in 
presenting hungarian contributions in different fields, but you should be 
careful about the material you have at your disposal. A statement about
Ga'bor A'ron (btw, he is A'ron) telling that he invented the cannon is not
only hilarious but also undermines the credibility of the other, much more 
important contributions.

I hope you will find some time to correct this.

Best regards,

+ - pannon (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Pannon Jozsefenek szerintem nincs igaza: ez nem erzes dolga, konkret 
     tiszteletremelto kezdemenyezesrol van szo, es az ember vagy tamogatja, 
     vagy nem, fuggetlenul az erzeseitol ha konstruktivak akarunk lenni. 
     Ha csak a hazai allapotokrol fogunk mindig sirankozni, az nem vezet 
     sehova. Olbe tett kezzel varjuk mikor lesz okosabb a nep? Nem, tenni 
     is kell valamit ezert! Es a fiatal Onodi Bert kezdemenyezese szerintem 
     ezt szolglja. fodor istvan

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From:          "Onodi Bertalan " <ORION/BERT>

>Nem tudom ki olvassa el ezt. Nem tudom kit erdekel. Nem tudom ki latta 
>hallotta azt az elborzaszto delutant a minap, amikor a parlamentben 
>megalaztak es helybenhagytak a romaniaban elo magyarokat.

Hat kedves Berci,
nagyon tiszteletremelto a felhaborodasod, de az az erzesem, hogy minden
tiltakozas mar csak falrahanyt borso lehet.  Nem csak azert, mert amikor
odahaza ezt a kormanyt szavaztatok hatalomba, akkor ezt is be kellett,
hogy kalkulaljatok.  Azert is, mert ahol a nep olyan nagy szazaleka
egyszeruen "romanoknak" nevezi az erdelyi, ill. romaniai magyarokat,
mint odahaza, ott sajnos az erdelyi magyarsag le lett irva a
nemzettestrol.  Sajnos, en ezt igy latom innen.

Pannon Jozsef
+ - Re: Another treaty or treason? Reply-To: cd482@FreeNet (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Gyorgy Kovacs ) writes:
> In article >,
> Wally Keeler > wrote:
>>Gyorgy Kovacs ) writes:
>>> In article >,
>>> Gabor Barsai > wrote:
>>>>In article >,  > wro
> e:
>>>>>Wally Keeler > wrote:
>>>>>>No, it is saying, "I am reticent to see it expand, because it means an
>>>>>>enlarged responsibility. I prefer to keep responsibilities to a minimum."
>>>>>But isn't that the indication of an irresponsible person? ;-)
>>>>Nope. 'Tis an indication of a hypocrite.
>>> A label he used for others with so much enthusiasm! But what do you expect 
> rom
>>> a big slab of self proclaimed beef?
>>> GK
>>Given that this comment has about as much witty and imaginative substance
>>as a morsal of pork rind on a slice of white break, the only appropoetic
>>response that could be offered: OINK! OINK!
> Yup, that's about your level, all right.

Another comment with as much wit and imaginative substance as a dollop of
shaving cream. >Yup, that's about your level, all right.< Jeez, can't you
do a better come-back than that? God you really are KoVACUOUS aren't you?
+ - Re: Hungarian Music Help (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Joe wrote:
> I am interested in a U.S. source to purchase hungarian music, by mail .
> What I am seeking is older hungarian music, particularly instrumentals.

Are you looking for 

	* folk (village) style or
	* restaurant-style gypsy music/
	  old-style state ensemble music

I can give you some leads on the village-style music. Please contact
me via email.
+ - More funny business from Bratislava (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Crossposted from the slovak-l list:


                               Bratislava, August 12, 1996

Dear Madams, Dear Sirs,

Please allow to send as the enclosure the common standpoint of
participants of the conference "The Truth about the 1100-Year
Neighbourhood" held on July 18 - 19, 1996 in Bratislava and aimed to
the evaluation of mutual ralations among Hungary and nations living in
the adjacent countries for the 1100 year period.

  A hundred years ago, political and cultural representatives of
Romanians, Serbs and Slovaks living in the Hungarian Monarchy (as a
part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire) protested together against the
grandiose celebration of the 1000th anniversary of the arrival and
settlement of Hungarians in Central Europe.  They remarked in their
statement that the Hungarian Monarchy was not just the state of
Hungars, but also the state of Germans, Romanians, Serbs, Slovaks,
Croatians and members of other nations.
    At the same time they required more cultural and political rights
for their nations and more extensive democratization of public life in
the Hungarian Monarchy.  The hundredth anniversary of a common
appearance of non-Hungarian nations of the Hungarian Monarchy as well
as the organization of the same celebration, now of the 1100th century
of the arrival and settlement of Hungars in Central Europe initiated
the arrangement of our conference.

 Famous historians tried in their speech at the conference, which we
submit in this collection, to evaluate what was changed and what
wasn't in the relations of Magyaria to its direct neighbours.  The
conference was organised with the civic association SKSI Slovakia plus
(The Permanent Conference of the Slovak Intelligentsia - Slovakia

  Shortly, we are preparing an English and Slovak issue of Review
based on reports aired on this conference. In the event of indicating
your interest we will provide it for you free.  In the conclusion, I
would like to give a little note. Hungarian as well as many other
European languages does not distinguish between the terms "Hungarian"
and "Magyarian". The first one follows from the name of the
multinational state "The Hungarian Monarchy" which was established at
the turn of the 10th and 11th centuries and perished in 1918 via the
end of the World War.  The second one follows from the name of the
nation "Hungary".  For the purposes of factual and historically
correct expression, it would be correct to consistently distinguish
between the meaning of both terms in their use.

Yours faithfully,
PhDr. Mojmir Benta
SKSI Slovakia plus


     One hundred years ago, on August 10, 1895, the Congress of
Nationalities of Non-Hungarian Peoples of the Hungarian Monarchy took
place in Budapest. The Congress was the result of a more than 50-year
old effort to strengthen mutual solidarity, political cooperation, and
a coordinated approach to the struggle for their national and social

  Representatives of national movements of the Romanians, Slovaks, and
Serbs took part in the Congress.

     The program adopted by the Congress sharply refused the Hungarian
state idea of a uni-ethnic Hungarian Monarchy and for each
nationality, it requested broad cultural, national, and political
autonomy.  It asked for a widespread democratization of the political
life in the country, and especially universal, equal, and anonymous
suffrage, a just apportionment of voting districts, freedom of
gathering and speech, abolition of censorship, and so forth.

    The Committee of Nationalities also raised a sharp protest against
the false spirit of the celebrations of the 1000th anniversary of the
arrival of the Hungarians into Central Europe. After the Congress, the
Hungarian government, led by Baron D. Banffy, started to promote the
Hungarian state idea with an even greater energy and brutality, and it
intensified its oppression of ethnic minorities and persecution of
representatives of national movements. The consequences of Banffy's
terror vis-a-vis the variouss nationalities in the Hungarian Monarchy
was most notably evidenced by the fact, that their political
cooperation gradually became weaker and none of the national parties
was able to sufficiently capitalize on the political and moral
potential, raised by the Congress of Nationalities and its democratic

     Today, one hundred years after the Congress, we can say with
great satisfaction, that the situation in Europe, and especially in
Central Europe, has changed significantly. All its nations, even those
that had lived under oppression in the Hungarian Monarchy, now live in
their own free nation-states.

 The basic human rights and freedoms became an everyday fact in all of
them, guaranteed by their constitutions and a host of legal

     However, we are asking the following question: Has the policy of
the Hungarian state and its politicians changed?  We have to admit
with regret that the answer is "not much".  To this day, Hungarian
politicians have not been able to cope with the historical fact of
disappearance of the Hungarian Monarchy and with it, the possibility
to make the idea of a great Hungary come true. By the re-adoption of
the state sign of the Hungarian Monarchy, the current Hungary returned
to the Hungarian statehood and the tradition of the idea of a Great

     Just like in the past, at present Hungary unilaterally assumes
the role of the pillar that guarantees stability, democracy,
integration, cooperation, and a peaceful coexistence of nations in
Central Europe, while its own domestic and foreign policy represents
the exact opposite.
  The permanent constant of Hungarian policy is the sharp
contradiction between the proclaimed ideas and the facts of real life.
     This contradiction is best evidenced by the issue of ethnic
minorities.  When Hungarian politicians speak about minorities, what
they have in mind are first and foremost the Hungarians minorities
living in the neighboring countries, rather that the minorities living
in Hungary. The paradox is, that while in the "non-democratic"
countries neighboring with Hungary, the minorities have not become
extinct and they are thriving, the minorities in the "democratic
Hungary" are becoming extinct.

     We support friendly coexistence and cooperation among all nations
and states in the world, especially those living in our immediate
neighborhood. We are aware of the need for new relations in the
current and future Europe, unburdened by history, but based on the
principle of equality and equal worth of all nations and states.
  We recognize and confirm, that respect for human rights and the
basic freedoms of all its bearers without exception is a significant
factor of peace, justice, stability, democracy, and good neighbor
relations. The basic prerequisite for Central Europe's becoming an
area of stability and peaceful cooperation is that there be a radical
turn in the policy of the Hungarian state vis-a-vis the minorities
living on its territories, and vis-a-vis the countries who are its
immediate neighbors.

   By a public proclamation of its highest state bodies, Hungary has
to make the commitment to respect the decisions of the Paris Peace
Conference of 1946, to foreever renounce the "iredenta" and its
support, to renounce any claims to territories of other countries, not
to interfere with the internal affairs of other sovereign countries
using any excuse, and to respect all human rights and basic freedoms
of every individual, including individuals belonging to ethnic
minorities, which have been legally and politically acknowledged by
international documents.

   A radical change has to also take place in the approach of
supranational institutions and integration blocs to the counties of
Central and Eastern Europe, who often interfere with the affairs of
sovereign states without a deeper knowledge of the subject matter and
on the basis of unilateral information.
     We would like to point out, that by using the method of double
standards to the evaluation of countries of Central and Eastern
Europe, the process of European integration is losing its
trustworthiness and democratic nature.

  Done in Bratislava, on July 19, 1996.

 Participants of the conference The Truth about a 1100-year Old
+ - Re: Kosshut vs. Avram Iancu (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,  says...
>Kosshut melle Gheorghe Funar Avram Iancu szobranak a felalitasat a 
Washingtoni Capitoliumba keszdemenyezi.
>>>>>Primarul Clujului vrea sĺ amplaseze la Washington statuia
>lui Avram Iancu 
>Proaspĺt întors din Statele Unite ale Americii, Gheorghe Funar a rĺmas 
neplĺcut impresionat de -
>spune el - "faptul cĺ la Capitoliu singura statuie care nu apartine unui 
american este a lui Kossuth,
>unde a pus si Iliescu flori". Primarul Clujului a anuntat cĺ va face 
demersuri pentru amplasarea, la
>Capitoliu, în capitala SUA, a bustului lui Avram Iancu. (Cristian Mihai 
Chis) ADEVARUL <<<<<
>Albert Albu

Since you have chosen to post an item in soc.culture.magyar in the Romanian 
language, perhaps you wouldn't mind posting it in English for my interest.

I am aware of the significance of Avram Iancu, but also of another darker 
side of Avram Iancu, a society during the Ceausescu era which called itself 
after the name of Avram Iancu and sent death threat missives to Romanians in 
North American who dared to fraternize with Hungarians. I have copies of two 
of these missives with their stylistic Avram Iancu letterhead. Quite 
disgusting stuff actually! It was as if it was a precursor to the Vatra 
+ - Re: Autonomia? ugye mar, kit is erdekel...... (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,  > wrote:

>Ahogy mondtam the a 20%-nak vagy resze, gondolom SZDSZ vagy ha 
>szerencsem van egy pufaikas? de onnan  Amerikabol.

Nem nagyon figyelhettel mar fel eve, ha SZDSZ-nek saccolsz.

>Mar engem provokalni te nem tudsz aszt mar be fejeszted,

Aki itt provokal, az te vagy.

> Inkab csapold le a kaposztalevet a Pannon 
>koponyadbol, csinaly valami construktivot.

Jo, majd csinalyok valami konstruktivot avval, hogy utanozlak.
Te oszt nagyon konstruktiv vagy a'm!

Pannon J.
+ - Hungarian Folk Music Concerts By Ghymes Ensemble @ Ada, (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Hungarian Folk Music Concerts By Ghymes Ensemble (Pozsony, Szlovakia):

Sept. 15, 1996, 19:00 (7PM)
The Getty College of Arts and Sciences Department of Music
Ohio Northern University
Ada, OH 45810

Ghymes is a Hugarian folk ensemble which has been playing together for ten
years.  Based in Bratislava (Pozsony - the former capital of Hungary),
Slovakia, they are members of the large ethnic Hungarian minority which
resides in the regions of Slovakia.  The members of Ghymes believe
strongly in the universality and binding strength of music to transcend
cultural and linguistic boundaries and bring us ever closer to global

Since 1984 the band has performed as part of a state funded Hungarian
ensemble called Ifju Szivek (Young Hearts), which is comprised of a
foldance troupe, a symphony orchestra, a choir, an ancient music ensemble,
and Ghymes.  Ghymes became full-time professionals in 1990.

That same year the band widened its horizons by joining with a
French-based ensemble called Vents d'est (Eastern Wind).  Headed by Mique
Montanaro and comprised of singers and musicians playing French, Slavic
and Hungarian folk music they combine musical genres to create a new and
universal sound. This ongoing collaboration has yielded a French release
titled Migrations.

Ghymes began its life as folk musicians in the tradition of the Hungarian
tanchaz (community dance) revival of the 1960-70's.  For years they
conducted research tours, collecting songs for their repertoire and
playing as dance accompanists.  Convinced, however, that their tanchaz
based audience would be forever limited, they decided to break tradition
and play exclusively as concert musicians.  Their mission is to evolve and
build a new popular music based on Hungarian folk roots.  They aim their
music at the young people of the rock and roll generation, striving to
turn those minds to an appreciation of their own ethnic roots.
Simultaneaously they proliferate their sound, powerful and beautiful, to
audiences around the world.  They have toured Japan, Finland, France,
Switzerland, Austria, Iraq, Jordan, Spain, Greece, and for the first time
in 1994, the USA.  Always meeting an enthusiastic response, their live
music energizes and engages.  In concert they introduce the title song of
their album Message as being about freedom, music's freedom.  The music of
Ghymes is free, free of national boundaries and prejudices, free to move
us out of our seats and dance.

Members:	Laszlo Behr	hammer dulcimer, percussion
		Andor Bujak	viola, saxophone, bombard
		Krisztian Bujak	bagpipe, tarogato, percussion
		Gyula Szarka	bass, vocals, guitar, lyre, kalabash
		Tamas Szarka	violin, koboz, percussion

Releases:	Ifjusag mint solyommadar (Youth as Falcon) 1988 LP
		Ghymes 1991 CD
		Uzenet (Message) 1993 CD
		Bennunk van a kutyaver 1995 MC
		Firejump 1996 MC

Contact:	Monika Csikmak, Svatoplukova 1.  903 01 Senec, Slovakia
		tel. 42 7 53 31 089, tel./fax. 42 7 923 872
+ - Re: Free Pictures New Web Site (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,  > wrote:
>|                     Visit My Page / Visite Mi Pagina           |
>|                         Jr's Bikini Home Page                  |

Why? What do YOU get out of it?