On Jun 12,  3:44pm, S. Bihari wrote:
> Subject: Virtual Hungary on the WWW !
> The Internet Expo's Hungarian Pavilion is officially open and can be
> found at
>
>         http:/www.idg.hu/expo
>
> It will take you through ages by virtually boarding the centennial little
> (yellow) Metro stations of Budapest.  (This Metro was built second in the
> world - only after the one in Paris, - and has recently been renovated.)
>
> At each station there is a different topic explored from the country's
> history or cultural heritage.  It is still under construction and will
> have additions as time goes by.
>
> Check it out (for me, too, as I still can't see any graphics!  >:((((  )
> and enjoy!
>
> Happy visit!
> Martha
>-- End of excerpt from S. Bihari

The home page for the 1996 Internet Exhibition, of which, the Magyar Pavillion
is a part  can be found at:
                            http://www.park.org

        This is an impressive site!

        And martha, the graphics are great!

Bob hosh
Library of Science and Medicine
Rutgers University

You wrote:
>
>On Jun 12,  3:44pm, S. Bihari wrote:
>> Subject: Virtual Hungary on the WWW !
>> The Internet Expo's Hungarian Pavilion is officially open and can be
>> found at
>>
>>         http:/www.idg.hu/expo
>>
>> It will take you through ages by virtually boarding the centennial
little
>> (yellow) Metro stations of Budapest.  (This Metro was built second
in the
>> world - only after the one in Paris, - and has recently been
renovated.)
>>
>> At each station there is a different topic explored from the
country's
>> history or cultural heritage.  It is still under construction and
will
>> have additions as time goes by.
>>
>> Check it out (for me, too, as I still can't see any graphics!
>:((((  )
>> and enjoy!
>>
>> Happy visit!
>> Martha
>>-- End of excerpt from S. Bihari
>
>The home page for the 1996 Internet Exhibition, of which, the Magyar
Pavillion
>is a part  can be found at:
>                            http://www.park.org
>
>        This is an impressive site!
>
>        And martha, the graphics are great!
>
>Bob hosh
>Library of Science and Medicine
>Rutgers University
>

>
Bob, I took your cue and visited the site.  While it is an impressive
site, it is the most confusing one I have ever seen.  I also looked,
unsuccessfully for the Hungarian Pavillion.  If it's there, it is well
hidden.


Charlie Vamossy

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Good morning, friends!

Since we had the discussion about the Marshall Plan, or its variants, I
thought to bring this question to you:

Why is it that just about the 7 years' anniversary of the bloody events
of Tiannanmen Square, the USA is ready to give a "most favorite nation"
treatment to Communist China?  Why are we so eager to flood them with
Coke and hamburgers, and get deluged by - in most cases, unnecessary -
stuff from them?

And now THIS!  To our mortal enemies!  Won't we ever learn?

* The State Department has announced a formal decision to give $6.2
  million in emergency food aid to North Korea.

===============

On the other hand, this IS the epitome of capitalism at work.  Give the
employee incentives and he will have a reason to outdo himself.  Are you
listening, Hungarians?

* Levi Strauss Associates Inc. to give its employees a bonus equal
  to a year's salary in 2001.
    - bonus for 37,500 workers contingent upon company meeting its
      financial goals.

Think of the ramifications of that!

(Have a good day!)   :)   OK; don't cut my throat
Martha

At 11:12 PM 6/10/96 -0400, Joe Szalai wrote:

>  Hungary is part of the larger, free market, capitalist,
>corporatist world.  Everything is functioning normally according to market
>forces.  There are winners and there are losers. And I bet you thought
>Hungary would be a winner, eh?  But why?  There were no real economic
>indicators to show that.


Finally, the debate gets back to the good old topic of Hayekism etc.

I disagree with the statement that everything is functioning normally
according to market forces. The privatization is not finished, the
government is still in charge of too many aspects of the daily life. It is
therefore too early to look for a winner.

Gabor D. Farkas

Charlie, it's under "Regions", then click "Hungary".

Hey, it's a typical WEB site, ya gotta learn to navigzate it!  ;-)

Bob hosh

On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, S or G Farkas wrote:

> >* Georgia Institute of Technology found average user of World Wide
> >  Web is a 33-year-old white English-speaking male with an income of
> >  $59,000.
> >    - 31.5% of people on Web are women.
>
> I would be curious how did they calculate the sex of the average WWW user
> and how did they come up with male. It should have been 0.685 male;-)))).

Gabor,

Dunno...  I was a mere messenger - relaying info to the masses.  :)

How did you come up with your figure?

Martha

Hugh Agnew wrote:

>  Once on a trip through South Australia, though,
> we stumbled on a vineyard run by a Hungarian family (it was in the
> Barossa valley, in a town called Tanunda (? memory could be faulty here)).
> We sampled the usual variety of reds & whites [I refer to _wines_ of course!]
> and then more out of idle curiosity and desire to show off than anything else
,
> I asked if they made a Tokaj.  Maybe it was just unusual for anyone to ask,
> or maybe it was that my undergrad history prof forced us to learn at least
> how to pronounce all the names in his East European History class, so I got
> a passable imitation of the correct pronunciation out -- anyway, she said,
> yes, actually, they did, though it wasn't scheduled to be released until the
> following week at some festival or other.  However, she sold me a bottle,
> and very nice it was indeed.  (I know it's a long trek, George Antony, but
> maybe if you're ever out Adelaide way you could look them up?).

Of the vignerons in Tanunda (your memory served you well) only one, Bethany,
sounds like it could be Hungarian.  Was this the one ?

> Still on the Tokaj topic:  is it a protected designation like the French
> Champagne is (I understand)?  The local grocery store here (Prague 6) has
> several bottles, labelled Tokaj, designated 5, 4, etc. puttonyos, but
> Product of Slovakia.  Was part of the Tokaj-producing region in what became
> Slovakia?

Yes, a minor part of the historical Tokaj wine region is in Slovakia.  There
used to be an agreement, or at least was to be an agreement, whereby grapes
produced in Slovakia would be pressed and processed in Hungary and sold under
the Hungarian label, to retain single-desk selling of Tokaji.  It looks like
such an agreement was either not consummated or with the breakup of the
regional wine monopoly in Tokaj it ceased to exist.

Apart from that, I believe that Tokaji is now a 'denomination de origin
controlle', just like Champagne.  Some confusion is caused by the fact that
there is a grape variety in Italy called Tokay that is used to make dessert
wines.  This is often mixed up with Hungarian Tokaji, and even the most
rigorous English-language wine books that I have seen apply the spelling
'Tokay' to the Hungarian wine region and its wines, even though Tokay
grape is not used in Tokaj.  (And some say that 'puttonyos' is the plural
of 'puttony' ;-) :-( ).

In the end there may even be some connection between Tokay and Tokaj, as
the region had Italian settlers (witnessed by village names) and they
may well have had an influence in the wine region to the extent of giving
it a name from back home.  This is pure conjecture on my part, however.

George Antony

> At 11:12 PM 6/10/96 -0400, Joe Szalai wrote:
> >  Hungary is part of the larger, free market, capitalist,
> >corporatist world.  Everything is functioning normally according to market
> >forces.  There are winners and there are losers. And I bet you thought
> >Hungary would be a winner, eh?  But why?  There were no real economic
> >indicators to show that.

As usual, Joe Szalai uses cheap populism instead of considered analysis.
In particular, he ignores the sad fact that backing out of a dead-end street
uses up resources and requires going BACKWARDS before one can actually move
forward again.

This applies equally to discontinuing a dead-end socio-economic experiment,
but then Mr Szalai prefers that very dead-end socio-economic experiment
('socialism' or a brainlessly romanticized non-existent version thereof) to
its only clear alternative, liberal capitalism.  Hence, his constant harping.

Gabor Farkas wrote:
> Finally, the debate gets back to the good old topic of Hayekism etc.
>
> I disagree with the statement that everything is functioning normally
> according to market forces. The privatization is not finished, the
> government is still in charge of too many aspects of the daily life. It is
> therefore too early to look for a winner.

There has also been a lamentable squandering of the lead that Hungary had
around 1990 in economic transformation.  She was in the forefront then, in
the mediocre league now.  To catch up now causes much more pain than it would
have been just to keep up since 1990. In the end, there are also more losers
this way.  The only hope is that most Hungarians will turn out winners in
the not-too-distant future.

George Antony

At 04:30 PM 6/12/96 -0400, Martha wrote:

>* Georgia Institute of Technology found average user of World Wide
>  Web is a 33-year-old white English-speaking male with an income of
>  $59,000.
>    - 31.5% of people on Web are women.

I would be curious how did they calculate the sex of the average WWW user
and how did they come up with male. It should have been 0.685 male;-)))).

Gabor D. Farkas

Hugh Agnew wrote:

> As I struggle along reading this list via telnet from Prague, I was
> interested to note the name of the town in Transylvania that Andra1s
> was asking about--Cehul Sylvaniei wasn't it?  (something like that, I
> believe...).  Is that a reference to Czech as in where I am now?  Were
> there Czech "colonists" in Transylvania at some point during its centuries
> of colourful history?
>
> Are there any left now?

The Habsburgs had a settlement policy of settling whole villages from far
corners of the empire.  They preferred German speakers, but obviously there
was a scattering of others too.

Among the reportings on the Yugoslav war of succession were references to
Czech and Slovak villages in Slavonia, once part of Southern Hungary (or
perhaps Croatia proper even then, I am not sure).  These were apparently
still populated by Czech and Slovak speakers, and were cleansed out along
with their Hungarian and Croat neighbours.

There are village names in today's Hungary that indicate Czech settlement
(e.g., Csehi), but I would expect their inhabitants to have lost their
Czech ethnic identity by now.

George Antony

Dear Tamas;

If you've been following the "Hungary" group discussions for more than a
month, then I trust you will not take serious offense regarding my comment.
It just comes from some rather interesting and not always pleasant
experiences...

At 09:35 AM 6/9/96 +0100, you wrote:

>Joe Szalai wrote to Eva Balogh :
>>I don't read the Hungarian language FORUM but you once mentioned
>>that most of the contributors to it live in the United States.
>
>This is quite far from the truth (she lied as I would say it over-
>there, in Forum). At least half of the  writers of the Forum are
>writing from Hungary. Large part of the other moiety are temporary
>abroad, on scholarships or studying something. (i am going to be a
>little bit more precise: there are two regulars from the states in
>Forum, and Eva managed to fall out both of them. I consider it as
>somewhat an american thingy.)
>
>It seems to me, that the biggest difference between the two lists is
>that the most writers of this list are settled down abroad and are
>living there a full life in their new home country (I don't want to
>touch political differences because I think they are secondary).
>That's why here English is spoken and Hungarian overthere. Also, we
>stick to the the Hungarian rules in discussions, while the Anglosaxon
>way of arguments are favoured here.


If I laugh much longer at this last comment, it's going to be at least
another 24 hours before I finish sorting and clearing out the e-mail, and
see the dining room table again from the paper mail.  Thanks for the
marvelous chuckle, though.  It beats the heck out of the umpteenth e-mail or
paper mail effort to sell me another list or program, or credit card.  I've
been laughing so hard and long, my cats are beginning to complain I'm
disturbing their nap.  Oops!  But thanks again. ;-)

>
>Mostly, I would say, because sometimes few writers here are used to ma-
>nage to low themselves to surprisingly deep level. They are cuccko's
>eggs in both groups, nevertheless prefer to stay here, and we are hap-
>py with this overthere. And we are extremely joyful, that the Kornai-
>like bastards of communist nomenclatura prefer exclusively this group.

Naah, most of them aren't much worse than some of the youngsters in the
revived suburban farmer-labor sector of the Democratic Farmer Labor Party of
Minnesota.  It's mostly different perceptions based upon different
experiences, not really meant as universal dogma.  None of us are really
that great at making sure that we just say things as individual opinions and
do respect the right of others to differing opinions, even if we disagree.
It is hard to figure out, sometimes, though, whether the hyperbolic language
is limited to distaste of the opinion, and how serious it really is, or
general dislike of the person.  I think most of it's not very serious,
though.  By the way,this is just one personal opinion though... ;-)

Sincerely,

Cecilia L. Fa'bos-Becker
San Jose, CA
tel./fax: 408-223-6102
e-mail: 

P.S. the Gulf Coast of Florida (not the Miami side) is a wonderful place to
just bask and eat (the jumbo shrimp are great, ditto the snapper, haddock,
etc., etc.), but don't take Northworst Airlines to get there--you might not
make it in time to enjoy your visit...  Sorry Eva B., we did eventually
return.  We just were never able to get a reservation with Valujet... ;-)



N0BBS, Cecilia L. Fabos-Becker -  - San Jose, CA