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1 Wanted: magyar keyboard file for windows (mind)  4 sor     (cikkei)
2 Re: Transilvania was,is and would be romanian province (mind)  47 sor     (cikkei)
3 Hungarian Folk Dance & Folk Music-Okros Ensemble (6/4/9 (mind)  12 sor     (cikkei)
4 UJ ELADO LAKASOK BUDAPESTEN (mind)  26 sor     (cikkei)
5 Calls to Hungary (mind)  4 sor     (cikkei)
6 Re: Transilvania was,is and would be romanian province (mind)  49 sor     (cikkei)
7 Re: Transilvania was,is and would be romanian province (mind)  13 sor     (cikkei)
8 NATO-Romania: Round 2? (mind)  14 sor     (cikkei)
9 Re: SCM: Wanted: magyar keyboard file for windows (mind)  9 sor     (cikkei)
10 Re: SCM: Wanted: magyar keyboard file for windows (mind)  14 sor     (cikkei)
11 Re: Transilvania was,is and would be romanian province (mind)  21 sor     (cikkei)
12 Hungarian email pointer (mind)  96 sor     (cikkei)
13 Re: contracts law-- slovak style (mind)  39 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Wanted: magyar keyboard file for windows (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I am looking for the file(s) needed to get the magyar keyboard in windows.
Please post it to this group or send me an email about the size of it to 
see if it will fit in my mail box (500k now).
+ - Re: Transilvania was,is and would be romanian province (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,  (George
Szaszvari) wrote:

> Okay, let's call it Cluj (er, when I was there in '82 it was officially 
> Cluj-Napoca, however nutty, for Romanian language speakers and Koloszvar 
> for the Hungarian language speakers.) Webster doesn't prove anything...
> it had to use a name of some sort to describe the place and the current 
> *official* Romanian name as used by the Romanian administration/bureaucracy
> is Cluj, fair enough; I don't mind calling it Cluj, when speaking directly 
> to Romanians, but why should Mr Lutas (who so often tried to persuade me on 
> these ngs that he is for harmonious Romanian-Hungarian co-existence in 
> Transylvania) take someone to task for calling it Kolozsvar if that person's 
> connection is with the Hungarian speakers there? Mr Lutas' indignation would 
> be just as absurd as if a Walloon took a Fleming to task for calling 
> Bruxelles *Brussel*!

I think that you are missing the point. The gentleman in question was 
using non-standard usage for english. I was curious why. I poked to try
to get a response and instead of useful information from the original poster
I get a wagonload of abuse from you. He wasn't a hungarian, he wasn't a 
romanian. He was an American posting from the university of Oregon as far
as I am concerned. If you don't find that interesting and worthy of comment
that's fine but it is no reason to call me (so far) stupid, ignorant, and
a fascist. Come on. 

> The Kolozsvar/Cluj difference is one of currently used nomenclature by two
> different ethnic groups there and very obviously doesn't bear the remotest 
> comparison with the New Amsterdam/New York name change (unless, of course,
> you desire to consign all long-standing indigenous NON-Romanian language
> and culture in Kolozsvar/Cluj to the dustbin. Now I see where Funar gets 
> his support from.)

To try to put this (and me) with Funar is just plain witch-hunting. I have
no love for the man and have posted negative opinions about him in the
past. Nor am I particularly fond of CV Tudor and hope that these two 
Romanian demagogues sink to the proper level of total anonymity that they

Let's keep a bit of perspective here. 


Now available on the Romanian Political Pages
The only net copy of the Romanian constitution in Romanian
(I wonder why the government never put it on their sites?)
+ - Hungarian Folk Dance & Folk Music-Okros Ensemble (6/4/9 (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

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+ - UJ ELADO LAKASOK BUDAPESTEN (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

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+ - Calls to Hungary (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

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+ - Re: Transilvania was,is and would be romanian province (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

 (T.M.Lutas) wrote:

>> >Paul Kenneth > wrote:

>> >> Regardless of who was where first, 
>> >> there is the valid arguement that what the Saxons and Magyars contributed
>> >> to Transylvania (culture,folk and otherwise, schools, churches etc.)in th
>> >> 19th, 18th, 17th and 16th centuries cannot be denied. Anyone interested 
>> >> in western culture at all could understandably mourn for that loss, a 
>> >> loss not due to the Romanian people but due to the evils of war, 
>> >> propaganda and Ceaucescu.
....then Lutas rolled in on his Romanian badwagon with this syrupy

>> >I'm not denying it and neither do most Romanians. There is nothing wrong
>> >with teaching the true contributions of these two peoples. The problem is
>> >in separating out the truth from the fictions propagated during 
>> >magyarization campaigns of this century and the last. I believe that this
>> >is the source of most of the inter-ethnic friction that manifests itself
>> >between our two peoples. 

....I cheerfully responded with....

>> ..   I would say that people like you are the source of most of the
>> inter-ethnic friction that exists....you wear your paranoia's on your
>> sleeve.....and you've have posted some amazing things ...but this one
>> is right up there...next you'll be telling us that Hunyadi was
>> Romanian....

....then Lutas struck up another course of his standard refrain...

>So does your amazement come from my assertion that there were magyarization 
>campaigns or was it from reading that most Romanians don't mind people 
>teaching the truth in school? You left it unclear in your response.

.....I wish you would expand on your *Magyarization* statements
sometime...as well as information regarding just *how* much is taught
regarding the Magyar *Contribution*....as for your atttack regarding
the fellow who originally posted, did it ever ( of course not ) cross
your mind that he may be Magyar on his *Mother's* side?...did you
happen to notice his email address, before you jumped on your *Bash
the Evil Magyar's* podium as per usual?...what is amazing is how
poorly you disguise your true sentiments regarding Hungarians.....it's
Kolozsvar to anyone that's Magyar....and has nothing to do with your
*New York/New Amsterdam* nonsense...
+ - Re: Transilvania was,is and would be romanian province (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

T.M.Lutas > wrote:
>I post a simple question of why did this person with a non-romanian/
>non-hungarian name use the hungarian name for Cluj. I thought it odd
>in context.

Maybe he just tried to push your button.  To rattle your chain, so to
speak.  Because your reactions are so predictable.

On the other hand, why do most non-Polish/non-German people call the
Polish city of Oswiecim as Auschwitz?

+ - NATO-Romania: Round 2? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

This is too good to be true:

>the request of President Ion Iliescu, the Chamber of Deputies on 21 May
>approved the participation of NATO troops in six joint military
>exercises to be held on Romanian territory this year within the
>framework of the Partnership for Peace program,

I can already see the international news media descending on the scene
of the exercises in anticipation of another pitch(fork)d battle between
the local peasants and NATO. Please, somebody close to the scene, give
us the blow-by-blow report.

+ - Re: SCM: Wanted: magyar keyboard file for windows (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Laszlo Horvath wrote:
> I am looking for the file(s) needed to get the magyar keyboard in windows.
> Please post it to this group or send me an email about the size of it to
> see if it will fit in my mail box (500k now).
> Thanks.
If You have Win 95, You already have it ( keyboard and fonts) in 
background, You just have to install it; If You need directions, send me 
an e-mail and I'll intsruct You.  Regards, KP
+ - Re: SCM: Wanted: magyar keyboard file for windows (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

No. win3.x

Peter Kovalszki ) wrote:
: Laszlo Horvath wrote:
: > 
: > I am looking for the file(s) needed to get the magyar keyboard in windows.
: > Please post it to this group or send me an email about the size of it to
: > see if it will fit in my mail box (500k now).
: > Thanks.
: If You have Win 95, You already have it ( keyboard and fonts) in 
: background, You just have to install it; If You need directions, send me 
: an e-mail and I'll intsruct You.  Regards, KP
+ - Re: Transilvania was,is and would be romanian province (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

 (Ferenc Istvan Vaski) wrote:

>....I wish you would expand on your *Magyarization* statements

OK, here is a 10-points  question for you. Whose programme included,
among other demands, the following points:

1.granting of civil rights, such as the recognition of the freedom of
their press and of public meetings and associations;
2.assigning of native-speaking officials to Transylvanian districts;
3.use of their language in the courts;
4.teaching in their own language?

If you rush to answer UDMR, you are wrong. Nevertheless, isn't it
ironic that exactly the same demands have survived for such a long
time in Transylvania, although the ethnicity of those making the
claims today is the ethnicity of those to whom the demands were
presented more than 80 years ago?

Liviu Iordache
+ - Hungarian email pointer (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Archive-name: hungarian/pointer
Soc-culture-magyar-archive-name: pointer
Bit-listserv-hungary-archive-name: pointer
Version: 0.90 (beta)
Posting-Frequency: monthly
Last-modified: 1995/11/21
URL: http://hix.mit.edu/hungarian-faq/hungarian-faq-pointer

 This document summarizes network-related resources of Hungarian
interest, which are accessible via email. Some of the most readily
available sources of information can be found in the archives of
periodical information postings to Usenet; these documents are commonly
known as FAQs (from Frequently Asked/Answered Questions). Knowing the
name of the file you can retrieve it by sending email to
 with the command "send
usenet/news.answers/<ARCHIVE-NAME>" in the message (without the quotes,
and with substituting the actual name for <ARCHIVE-NAME> in the pattern
shown above) - for example, to get the document described below, use

 send usenet/news.answers/hungarian-faq

 To learn more about the RTFM server just send the command "help" to it
- it will provide step-by-step intstructions on how to use the
archives, on retrieving indexes and so on.

 "Hungarian electronic resources FAQ" is a comprehensive collection
dealing with email, FTP, WWW and other Internet tools; its archive name
is 'hungarian-faq' (and the mail-server command to get it is shown in
the example above).
 If you only have direct access to email then, in order to use the
other tools, you'll need the methods described in "Accessing The
Internet By E-Mail" (Archive-name:
 To get a general introduction to Usenet (with some guides to Internet
as well - and explanation of how they are different, too) see "Welcome
to news.newusers.questions!" (Archive-name: news-newusers-intro).
 For a guide to finding someone's e-mail addresses, see the "FAQ: How
to find people's E-mail addresses" (Archive-name: finding-addresses).
Do notice that it's usually inappropriate to send such blanket requests
to mailing lists; the search tools available give much better chance to
locate addresses sought than posted queries in any case!
 An overview of commercial on-line services in Hungary is available by 
John Horvath > 
(Archive-name: hungarian/comm-providers).

 The hungarian-faq describes several email lists related to Hungary;
only a brief summary is shown here. Please keep in mind that
subscription requests (and other administrative communications) should
be directed to the server address, NOT to the lists themselves.

 List:  (the HUNGARY LISTSERV list)

 List: HOL (Hungary Online)

 List: hungary-report

 Lists: OMRI-L (Open Media Research Institute Daily Digest)
        MIDEUR-L (Middle European discussion list)

 List: cet-online (Central Europe Today On-Line; email )

 List: CERRO-L (Central European Regional Research Organization)

Server: email to  (Hollosi Information Exchange)
 Lists: HIX is a collection of several separate lists, including
  - MOZAIK, a collection of news items in English
  - various discussion forums in Hungarian language
  - SCM and HUNGROUPS, which are email-accessible archives of the Usenet
    newsgroup soc.culture.magyar and the hun.* national hierarchy,
    respectively; to get a directory listing of these archives (as well
    as that of other HIX lists), send email to  with
    "arch" in the 'Subject:' line. Note that the SENDDOC utility takes
    its parameter from the 'Subject:' of the message (unlike many other
    servers, like the ones described previously, which use the body)!

 Note that this document is available on the
 <http://hix.mit.edu/hungarian-faq/>; homepage for the "Hungarian
electronic resources FAQ" at the HIX WWW-server.
 The latter also provides access for the full FAQ via 
 'finger ', and for this brief pointer you are
reading via 'finger ' (notice that you
will likely need to redirect the output to a pager or a file in order
to read it). The Usenet archive name for this document is
 hungarian/pointer .

 Zoli , keeper of <http://hix.mit.edu/hungarian-faq/>;
 <'finger '> 
 NOTE: spamsters and bulk emailers see 'X-Policy*:' in the 
header for the charges to be imposed for net abuse!
+ - Re: contracts law-- slovak style (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On 24 May 1996, Charles M. Vamossy wrote:

> Agreed, of course.  Each idea and each solution should be looked at on
> its own.  Flood control on the Missisippi,for example, has been a need
> for a long time, but the narrow bands of dikes and levies built in the
> 50's and 60's proved to be the wrong solution in the recent floods.  It
> is also debatable if floods are harmful or beneficial to the
> environment.  Perhaps a compromise is best where rivers are allowed to
> ebb and flow while population centers are kept at a reasonable
> distance. 

  Wasn't the original G-N project designed to do that?

> The point I tried to make was that at the time the treaty was
> negotiated neither country was a full master of its destiny.
> >
> >  That's obviously right.


> The critical shortage of water flow occurs on the now by-passed section
> of the riverbed.  There are two ways to restore the water levels: 
> allow more water to flow into it above Gabcikovo or build a high enough
> dam to back the water up.  The second solution, which was the subject
> of my comments above, is impractical. In my posting I was replying to
> the suggestion that the water shortage on the bypassed section would
> not have occured had Hungary completed the Nagymaros dam.  I fail to
> see how it would have done that.

  IMHO that depends on the difference in elevation at Nagymaros and 
Gabcikovo. I may be wrong but I don't think that the slope of the Danube's
riverbed is that steep or the distance that long. Does anybody have the
numbers? Therefore I think the dam at Nagymaros would have restored the
needed water level without flooding towns.


Peter Hakel