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1 Re: NO FREEDOM FOR EAST TIMOR (mind)  22 sor     (cikkei)
2 Re: Megye (mind)  17 sor     (cikkei)
3 (no subject) (mind)  8 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re Police Raids Against Roma (mind)  58 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: Right on schedule! (mind)  46 sor     (cikkei)
6 HARMONY Magazine- Provocative, Fun, FREE (mind)  13 sor     (cikkei)
7 Re: Right on schedule! (mind)  11 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: Tocsik-u~gy ha ttere (NSz cikk) (mind)  4 sor     (cikkei)
9 Re: Police Raids Against Roma (mind)  91 sor     (cikkei)
10 Re: Trying to name a baby! (mind)  16 sor     (cikkei)
11 Re: Csokol Meg A Segem... (mind)  7 sor     (cikkei)
12 HARMONY Magazine- Provocative, Fun, FREE (mind)  13 sor     (cikkei)
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+ - Re: NO FREEDOM FOR EAST TIMOR (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

IndonesiaMuda > wrote:

>
>YOU KNOW, EAST TIMOR IS PART IN INDONESIA COUNTRY...FOREVER!!!
>YOU MUST BE CHOICE........GO FOREVER FROM THIS COUNTRY AND DON'T
>CAME BACK AGAIN OR YOU WILL GET NIGHTMARE IN YOUR LIFE. 
>
We need help!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://members.tripod.com/~timor/
http://amadeus.inesc.pt/~jota/Timor
http://www.uc.pt/Timor/TimorNet.html
http://iguana.inesc.pt:8000
http://www.io.org/amnesty/overview.html
http://iconz.co.nz/~calliope/Nettalk.html
http://peg.pegasus.oz.au/~etchrmel/
http://143.117.33.25/qub_law/Timor/intro.htm
http://www.peg.apc.org/~etchrmel/
ftp://ftp.io.org/pub/human-rights/Amnesty/indonesia/
http://www.telepac.pt/jcp/timor/index.html

soc.culture.indonesia
+ - Re: Megye (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

CLARY Olivier > wrote:
>
>Megye is rather Slavic I think.

And what would be the original Slavic root word for it?

>Jár (ja'r) is not to go, it is rather not "to" a place but "at" a place:
>to pass, to frequent. Járás (ja'ra's) as the territory depending on a village
>(in French "commune") is the area where (local) people go by/around/frequent.

I think the name might have to do something with St. Stephen's edict to
build at least one church for every 10 villages in such a way that the
church is not farther from any one than one day's walk (egy napi
jarasra).  Of course that meant a two-way trip in one day.
And such small regions then became administrative units. 

Joe
+ - (no subject) (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Hello !

Have you newsgroups for looking partners for distribution of a technical
system in Hungary ?

Perhaps you ca help me .

Harald (Austria)
+ - Re Police Raids Against Roma (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

 (T.M.Lutas) wrote:
>>>Now the cop on the street may not come from Iliescu but the judges and
>>>the prosecutors certainly do. And the idea that Iliescu has been
>>>consistently anti-gypsy over the last seven years is laughable. Gypsies
>>>are among his strongest electoral supporters.

 (Rad Edelstein)
>>You are making again an accusation that I thought I proved as
>>unsubstantiated after the local elections in Romania. I pointed out
>>there that there is no proof that the Gypsies are among Iliescu's
>>strongest electoral suporters (I actually believe the case is the
>>oposite). I also pointed out (now that you mention professionals), that
>>Romania's press (especially that of the oposition) showed total lack of
>>professionalism when, before the voting, they extrapolated one Rom
>>leader's pro-Iliescu comments to stereotype that all Gypsies' symphaties
>>were with Iliescu.

 (T.M.Lutas) wrote:
>If I were to hear of Romanians organizing to support Clinton and claiming 
>to speak for all Romanian-americans I would certainly try to get a press 
>conference together for a wide assembly of Romanian-americans who would 
>contradict that false assertion. I saw and heard of no gypsies who
>rallied to Ciorbea's side or even who clearly disavowed the violent threats. 
>Silence can speak volumes. 

 (Rad Edelstein)
|A friend of mine is a Gypsy politician who had from the begining oposed
|Iliescu, to the extent that his life was in danger (he had to disappear
|for a while). Of course that we have our different experiences with this
|issue and this personal experience might create a perception different 
|from the truth (in either case). Nevertheless, it seems to me that your
|knowledge comes primarily from oposition newspapers. In my opinion, the
|language that they use when commenting on incidents where Gypsies are
|involved (even innocent situations) is consistently biased. As a matter
|of fact, I invite you to go together over such articles and look closely
|at the frame that is created every time a Gypsy is described
|(stereotyping, derogatory remarques, a priori conviction).  

Indeed, the second CRISS report that I had posted, and which dbrutus
dismissed as a "collection of crime incidents" addresses this very issue,
quoting from actual transcripts of court records in which it is almost de
rigeur to describe the accused as "tigani" thereby colouring all the
subsequent evidence and testimony with stereotyping and the widely
accepted belief that tigan=highcrimerate. 

I have no doubt that during Hitler's regime every Jew who had been brought
into court was first introduced by the state attorney as, "The Jew, Rad
Edelstein, violated provisions of the Settlement Act, to wit... the Jew
Edelstein then did..."

And how would dbrutus regard the State Attorney of Iowa who addressed the
court thus, "The Romanian, Doina Brutuscu, has been charged with... the
Romanian Brutuscu had been seen..."

Assorted studies done by the UN reported on the chronic negative and
reinforcing stereotyping of the news media in Romania concerning the
Gypsies. The frame you referred to Rad, is the frame through which I
suspect that Mr Brutus views the Gypsy situation.
+ - Re: Right on schedule! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Balazs Boros wrote:
> 
> On 10 Oct 1996 16:38:29 GMT,  (Gyorgy
> Kovacs) wrote:
> 
> >Wally Keeler > sensed that he is loosing againg, a
nd
> >(returning to his usual insult-attack style) wrote:
> >>
> >>A mule in heat has more eloquence than you.
> >
> >The only appropriate answer can be:
> >
> >False, but it has more brains than you. (Based on your posts.)
> >
> >And the only appropoetic answer:
> >             ^^^^^^^^^^^\
> >Practise that gold trick  \ For the new ones: I borrowed that from Wally
> >You slimy old tick,         \ cause he keeps asking for it.
> >Flinstoneless lighter,
> >Airheaded fighter.
> >
> >It would be big gain,
> >If you had half brain.
> >Eat watermelon,
> >Leave me please alone.
> 
> Why are Hungarians all so weird? :) They make the worst movies and
> tell the worst jokes... I'm Hungarian too btw before you flame me.
> 
> Balazs

Hey Balazs!

Yeah, and Paramount Pictures and Fox made (make) terrible pictures too. 
And that darn Oscar winner, Wizard of Oz...terrible!  Maybe they were
run by some form of "artificial" Hungarian, for real Hungarians make the
worst movies. I don't think so.  And that Joe Eszterhas must be casting
a spell over Hollywood - he's working too much!  Not all Hungarians are
weird - have some more pride.  At least use more diplomatic language,
such as free thinkers, or independent minds:  And leave the real weirdos
to their own devices!

HipCat
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+ - HARMONY Magazine- Provocative, Fun, FREE (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

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+ - Re: Right on schedule! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Wally Keeler > wrote:
>
>A mule in heat has more eloquence than you.

This is a great put-down, but what does it have to do with the Subject
that I originally gave to this thread, commenting on the Slovak
government's ignoring the recently ratified basic treaty with Hungary?
Please change the Subject if you drift away from the original topic.

Thanks,
Joe
+ - Re: Tocsik-u~gy ha ttere (NSz cikk) (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Nem csak az ugy, de maga Tocsik hattere is erdekes lehet.  Tud valaki
bovebbet errol?

Pannon J.
+ - Re: Police Raids Against Roma (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I post this editorial for dbrutus's edification, and for the
others whose mindset is similar; a state of denial. Many of the
same problems exist in Toronto regarding systemic racism. The
editorial describes a specific case of a black who unsheathed a
sword and swung it at police, so he was shot dead. Well this is not
racism, you say. However, shortly thereafter, I saw a photo in the
newspaper of a white man on a suburban lawn waving a long knife at
police. For some reason or other, he wasn't shot. He was arrested,
convicted and jailed. Interestingly, there have been no incidents
of white men being shot -- however, statistics indicate that white
men in North America are more likely to be serial killers. Hmmmm.

Another recent report described a battle that took place between
some Native Canadians and police in BC. Over one thousand rounds
of ammo were used in a fire fight. Evidence came out in a trial
that police had been using hollow-tipped bullets, the kind that is
internationally outlawed for police use. Well what a surprise!
There have been a number of incidents in Canada in recent years
involving the exchange of gunfire between Native Canadians and
police. Native Canadians have become more assertive for their
rights -- and the police forces are having to learn that the old
cowboy-bust-em-up don't go down so well anymore. A new
relationship is evolving.

dbrutus' dismissal of the existence of systemic racism is a syptom
of wilfull blindness. It occurs here and it is occurring in
Romania while dbrutus fiddles and mourns the miner's brutality
against countless "cute girls" in Bucharest.

#################################################################

The Toronto Star, October 11, 1996
Editorial: Black's grievances against police

     The families of six black men and one Asian shot and killed by
police in Greater Toronto since 1991 are calling for a public
inquiry. They want it to examine any role prejudice and racism
played in the tragedies; to explore non-lethal ways for police to
use force; and ensure better investigation of police shootings.
Understandable as their demand is, we don't need more inquiries as
much as action on the ones already completed.
     Several reports on the subject have been gathering dust at
Queen's Park [the provincial government building]. Solicitor
General Bob Runciman should act on them, rather than dip into
double-talk as he has in response to the families' demand. He
"wouldn't rule out an inquiry," he said, but couldn't say whether
an inquiry is appropriate because some of the cases are before the
courts, a coroner or an investigator.
     Instead of such political dodging, he should reach for the
latest report on the subject -- the 432-page report of the
Commission on Systemic Racism in Ontario's Criminal Justice
System, released in January. Judge David Cole reported widespread
belief among blacks, not just a strident minority, that they do
NOT get a fair shake from police or the criminal justice system.
They believe that blacks are being shot in cases where police
would use less lethal methods against others; and they blame
subtle prejudices and long-held stereotypes for this systemic
racism.
     Critics argue that police wouldn't be shooting a
disproportionate number of black men if blacks weren't committing
more than their share of crime. But Cole found ample damning
evidence supporting the black community's claims of unequal
treatment.
     He, therefore, recommended that the province address the
under-representation of visible minorities on the bench, in crown
attorney's offices and on juries. He decried the refusal of police
officers involved in a shooting to respond to questioning when
investigated by the Special Investigations Unit and recommended
officers face suspension without pay if they don't respond.
     In response, Attorney-General Charles Harnick promised
careful review of the report's findings and recommendations. But
since then, all that the Harris government has done is to announce
yet another study, this one to review complaint procedures against
police. Little wonder the families are seeking a broad inquiry.
     The family of Tommy Barnett, the young man shot after
unsheathing a sword and waving it at police, went further and
asked that the issue of systemic racism be the subject of the
inquest into his death. (Cole did suggest that inquests are the
appropriate vehicle to consider such an issue.) The request was
denied and the jury made no recommendations as the inquest ended
this week.
     Most citizens don't want inquests to become politicized. They
also shudder at public inquiries that go on interminably and
achieve nothing. But if citizens -- in this case, a large segment
of the black community -- have no official outlet for their
significant grievances, they'll continue to feel frustrated.
     Systemic racism is a plague. The SIU is underfunded and
ineffective. Our justice system needs to become more colour-blind.
It's time Queen's Park acted on these old concerns before large
chunks of our citizenry lose confidence in the province's ability
to promote and ensure fair and equal treatment for one and all.
+ - Re: Trying to name a baby! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Michael R wrote:
> 
> Hi, I'm looking for an internet/www resource that lists Hungarian first
> names (trying to name a baby) does anyone have any info??
> any help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks, Mike

If you find one, let the rest of us know.  We're interested too.  Maybe
you could ask for some suggestions?  Maybe one of us can be the lucky
winner!

Bye for now,
HipCat (don't choose this one - already taken!)
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+ - Re: Csokol Meg A Segem... (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Tony wrote:
> 
> En nem akkarak enni a bodos szar!

Intellectualizing again?
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