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1995-03-28
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1 CHECHNYA: MOTHERS PEACEMARCH HELP! (fwd) (mind)  246 sor     (cikkei)
2 Re: Jane's Figures-Sequel II (mind)  16 sor     (cikkei)
3 Re: Southern Slovakia in 1938-19 (mind)  31 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: Jane's Figures-Sequel II (mind)  14 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: Mig`s (mind)  15 sor     (cikkei)
6 Re: Southern Slovakia in 1938-19 (mind)  20 sor     (cikkei)
7 erno balogh (mind)  11 sor     (cikkei)
8 Washington, D.C. - WWW page for programs (mind)  17 sor     (cikkei)
9 Re: Southern Slovakia in 1938-19 (mind)  23 sor     (cikkei)
10 Re: Benes Decrees Revisited (mind)  15 sor     (cikkei)
11 Re: Washington, D.C. - WWW page for programs (mind)  7 sor     (cikkei)
12 Re: Hungarian Hirlevel Free T... (mind)  2 sor     (cikkei)

+ - CHECHNYA: MOTHERS PEACEMARCH HELP! (fwd) (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I thought, a lot of people here speak  for freedom and
democracy - never too far from home...
(forwarded by:

>
>                         Mon, 20 Mar 95
>
> From: , relayed by: 
>
>                PLEASE PUBLICIZE WIDELY: URGENT
>
>
> The Russian `Committee of Mothers of Soldiers' are continuing
>
> their campaign of opposition to the war against Chechnya by
>
> organising a march to Grozny from the southern Russian town of
>
> Mineralnyie Vodi. The group set off by transport from Moscow on
>
> International Women's Day, March 8.
>
> On 18 March 1995 the march arrived in
>
> Mineralnyie Vodi. At 12 noon, the chairperson of the Soldiers'
>
> Mothers Committee Maria Kirbassova was summoned to the local
>
> department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs (MIA) to meet its
>
> chief and officers from the Federal Intelligence Service (former
>
> KGB). The MIA checked the documents of the march participants and
>
> asked questions about the march. Having threatened to hold them
>
> indefinitely, they let them go after one hour. The participants
>
> of the march planned to travel to the Nalchik, capital Kabardino-
>
> Balkaria.
>
> The Japanese teacher of the buddhist order Nippo and two Japanese
>
> journalists were told that as foreigners they are not permitted
>
> to travel around Russia and should remain in the town where they
>
> entered Russia. This was true in Soviet times, but according to
>
>
> the present Russian constitution, foreigners are allowed to
>
> travel freely around Russia. After waiting for over an hour their
>
> documents were returned and they were allowed to travel on to
>
> Nalchik by train.
>
> After travelling for 2 hours, however, participants of the march
> were met at the station of a village 'Prokhladnoye' by 20 militia
>
> from the local Ministry of Interior (of Kabardino-Balkaria), who
>
> requested that they get off the train. They advised them not to
>
> travel to Nalchik. A bus provided by the Ministry of Internal
>
> Affairs was waiting for them there. They were informed that it
>
> would transport them to the capital of Ingushetia, Nazran. The
>
> Ingush President, Ruslan Aushev, has expressed full support for
>
> the march. The Ingush authorities agreed to accomodate the march
>
> participants when they arrive there the same evening.
>
> The Ministry of Affairs bus did not take them to Nazran as
>
> promised however, but to the Russian army base at Mozdok in North
>
> Ossetia. The march participants insisted that the driver take
>
> them back to Prokhladnoye, which he did. There they insisted that
>
> the MIA representatives provide them with a bus to Nazran as had
>
> been originally promised. The marchers eventually arrived in
>
> Nazran 19 March in the morning.
>
> The planned route of the march has already been altered twice
>
> before, as local adminstrations in Stavropol and Mineralnyie Vodi
>
> refused to accomodate them. The administrations of Volgograd,
>
> Saratov and Elista however, provided full support, including free
>
> accomodation and transport. The authorities of Astrakhan and
>
> Rostov-on-Don allowed the marchers to stay, but tried to limit
>
> their activities, not allowing any large demonstrations or
>
> meetings. However, the national press covered marches through the
>
> town centres and interviews with participants.
>
> The march is scheduled to commence on foot from Nalchik 23 March
>
> towards Grozny, if permission is granted from the President of
>
> Kabardino-Balkaria. He will meet organizers of the march in
>
> Moscow Monday 20. His full support was expressed 10 days ago, but
> since then his deputy and representatives of the Republic's
>
> Ministry of Internal Affairs announced in his absence that the
>
> march would not be welcomed in Nalchik.
>
> Soldier's mothers from all over Russia and members of religious
>
> confessions and anti-war groups, including Quakers, the movement
>
> Anti-fascist Youth Movement and Movement Against Violence will
>
> arrive in Nalchik between 20 and 23 March. Over three hundred
>
> people are expected to join the march. Two railway carriages have
>
> been booked from Moscow and will depart 21 March from Kurskii
>
> vokzal at 14:45 on the 38 hour journey to Nalchik. Another
>
> carriage has been booked by soldier's mothers from Nizhni
>
> Novgorod. Journalists and television crews from Russian and at
>
> least three Western companies will also travel to Nalchik to
>
> cover the march.
>
> The chairperson of the Committee of Soldier's Mothers, Maria
>
> Kirbassova, and other participants of the march, are already
>
> planning meetings with Chechen and Russian representatives to
>
> negotiate the release of prisoners and inform them of the march.
>
> Humanitarian aid is also being sent with the marchers. A group of
>
> Chechen women from Grozny, together with Chechens abroad and in
>
> Moscow, are working with the march organizers to try and arrange
>
> ways to take out orphan children for a programme of
>
> rehabilitation. Recently a group of 100 homeless children walked
>
> unaided from the ruins of Grozny to the Russian military base at
>
> Mozdok in North Ossetia.
>
> "Life is the greatest treasure on earth", the march statement
>
> declares. "Nobody can deny a person's right to life. It is
>
> guaranteed by all national and international laws. The war in
>
> Chechnya has destroyed and continues to destroy thousands of
> innocent people, and deprives hundreds of thousands of people of
>
> their homes, property and happiness. The war must be stopped by
>
> any peaceful means".
>
> Please distribute information about the march to inform groups
>
> and individuals, if possible also through the mass media. In
>
> Russia the march is receiving wide media coverage, raising
>
> awareness of the fact that there is an anti-war movement at a
>
> time when many are becoming disinterested in the continuing war
>
> and human rights violations in Chechnya.
>
> =================================================================
>
>
> The costs of the march have not yet been covered. They include
>
> transporting marchers to the North Caucasus, providing food and
>
> accomodation along the way, and transporting locally bought
>
> humanitarian aid to the refugees. If you wish to help cover the
>
> costs, please send donations to:
>
> - Germany:
>
>  Account name:   Quaekerhilfe, Bad Pyrmont (earmarked 'Caucasus')
>
>  Account number: 568603
>
>  Bank number:    Postbank Frankfurt
>
>  Bank code:      50010060
>
>
>  Cheques can be sent to: The Treasurer, Gert Wieding, Gerhard
>
>  Hauptmann Str. 1, D-31675 Bueckeborg, Germany.
>
> - UK:  Cheques payable to 'Chris Hunter', QPS (earmarked
>  'Caucasus') To: Lloyds Bank, 29 Brook St., Ilkley , West Yorks.
>  LS29 ONJ.
>
> - USA:  Cheques payable to 'East-West Relations Committee',
>  (earmarked 'march') To: EWRC/PaYM, c/o Julie Harlow, 1163 Auburn
>  Dr., Davis, CA
>  95616, USA.
>
> - Netherlands:  c/o The secretary of 'Help Chechnya Committee',
> Maria Koojman, Postbus 2888, 1000 CW Amsterdam, Neths. Tel:
> +31-20-625 9060, fax:  639-3140. Postbank account number: 5828,
> ABN-AMRO 40.10.18.008.
>
> Please inform the march coordination centre of donations sent to
> the above addresses. Thankyou.
>
> =================================================================
>
> March coordination  centre: Tel:  (+7095)  2912618,  Fax  c/o  the
> Quaker Peace  & Service office in Moscow: (+7095) 2543496/9157438,
> e-mail 
>
> =================================================================
>
> Chris Hunter, Quaker Peace & Service, Moscow
+ - Re: Jane's Figures-Sequel II (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

>-cut-
> unfortunate phenomenons we saw recently. It also makes unnecessary
> to develop on the latter two aspects of the question, that resources
> saved on arms would assure a general wealth that would make wars
> unnecessary: it's neglecting the dark side of the human nature...
>
> Roman Kanala

- not human nature again! It sounds like god's will and stuff
like that.
Could someone tell me, if there are any contracts involving
big international bankloans connected with a given percentage
to be spent on military hardware. (Such as the british "aid"
to a Malaysian dam-building project) In Hungary? Any
democratic awareness/information at all possible/available?

+ - Re: Southern Slovakia in 1938-19 (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Norb wrote:
>
> Jan George Frajkor wrote:
> >   As for why Czechoslovakia refused to seriously disucss returning
> > Magyar-inhabited areas it received under Trianon, that is perhaps
> > because Hungary refused to seriously discuss giving up those Slovak
> > and ruthene-inhabited areas...
>
>         The Ruthenians did not want to be in a Czecho-Slovak state.

I don't know, but certainly they did not want to be in Hungary in March 1939.

> > ...of Lower Slovakia (the northeastern part of Hungary today) which it
> > was allowed to keep by Trianon.
>
>         I know we've been over this quite often, but the appearance of
> this marvelous piece of rubbish always begs the asking of these two
> questions:  Just when was the territory referred to as "Lower Slovakia" a
> part of Slovakia?  And, when was "Lower Slovakia" (_today_ the
> northeastern part of Hungary) not a part of Hungary?

Not a part of Slovakia, but part of Great Moravia.
Before the arrival of Hungarians to Central Europe.

O.K. It was not called by Slovaks 'Lower Slovakia' usually, but
'Lower land'. It was familiar name for all territories, where lived
some number of Slovaks in A-H.

>         Norb

Jozef Simek
+ - Re: Jane's Figures-Sequel II (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article > paul,
 writes:
>
>The US did not have nearly as many planes as North Vietnam did
during the
> Vietnam War.

this is an interesting staement.
what is your reference for it: hans
christian-andersen or the brothers grimm?

or was your contribution satirical?

d.a.
+ - Re: Mig`s (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >, zcapl74
> writes:
>>
>for the less famous Mig-29 deal. For those who ignore it, in 1990 Romania
>purchased 30 brand new Mig-29s for just $1 million. Looks like Hungary
>has more money to spend for its army...
>
>Constantin


didn't you miss anything? An order of magnitude!

You know what? I'll sell the house and buy two Migs instead!
Dorel
Melbourne
+ - Re: Southern Slovakia in 1938-19 (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

 writes:

>I had a book edited in 1911 or 1913 in the USA where American Slovaks
>exclaimed "we want Sopron, we want the northern side of the Balaton".

Never been to Sopron have you? Many of the churches in that area were
built by Slovaks, representatives of mainstream parties elected to
Parliament from there (still happen to) have Slovak names, however
the minority representatives still have NOT been allowed into Parliament.

Same for the northeast part of Hungary, been to No1grad lately Roman?
Dr. Bobrovsky Samu on page. 564 of the No1gra1d city history-book documented
that the Nograd county authorities, on behalf of the Hungarian *minority*,
turned to the Parliament in 1893 to eradicate Slovak as a spoken language.
Been to No1grad lately Roman? Have you read No1gra1d Va1rmegye, page 564?

>Fortunately, history went an another way - imagine the instabilites if
>roughtly a half of the Slovakia's population was non-Slovak.

Benedict Arnold could not have been any more eloquent.
+ - erno balogh (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Somebody sent me this request:
A patron would like to know where the music teacher
Erno Balogh went after he left Peabody Conservatory in
1960.  He was a Hungarian pianist (1897-1989).  She
thinks he went to a college or university in Virginia.
I have checked various articles he wrote and called
Peabody without success.  Does anyone out there have
an answer to this question?
Thank you in advance...
Can anybody in this list help.  Thanks.  elizabeth

+ - Washington, D.C. - WWW page for programs (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Szervusz,
I have created a WWW page for listing programs of Hungarian interest in
the DC area. The URL address is :

http://www.glue.umd.edu/~gotthard/calendar

It can be reached from my homepage, too, that is :

http://www.glue.umd.edu/~gotthard

I plan to extend the coverage to other areas too, especially if you are
willing to contribute .
Gotthard

--
http://www.glue.umd.edu/~gotthard
email : 
+ - Re: Southern Slovakia in 1938-19 (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Jozef writes:

>Not a part of Slovakia, but part of Great Moravia.
>Before the arrival of Hungarians to Central Europe.
>
>O.K. It was not called by Slovaks 'Lower Slovakia' usually, but
>'Lower land'. It was familiar name for all territories, where lived
>some number of Slovaks in A-H.

At the Interparliamentary Congress of Peace in St. Louis (Sept 1904)
the American Slovaks and Ruthenians presented the specific counties,
which were considered by Slovaks and Ruthenians as constituting Slovakia
in their Memorandum to the Hungarian members attending the Congress.

"In the north-east part of Hungaria, in the valleys of the Tatras,
is the homeland of Slovaks, who are the offspring the Slovak nation.
Moderately counted, the number of Slovaks encompasses about 3 million.
Of these at least 500 thousand emigrated to America.  Slovaks inhabit
the following counties: Prespork, Nitra, Tekov, Hont, Zvolen, Trencin,
Turiec, Orava, Liptov, Spis, Saris, Zemplin, Ung, Abauj, Gemer and Novohrad.
These counties, inhabited by Slovaks, call themselves "Slovakia"."

Tony
+ - Re: Benes Decrees Revisited (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

C.K. ZOLTANI wrote:

>Czech ConstitutionalCourt let stand some of the infamous Benes Decrees.
>..
>it would be of some interest to know the exact text and
>legal reasoning behind the court's opinion. If you have access to a
>translated copy, I think that some of us in this Discussion Group would


Has someone posted this yet?  If so, please send me a copy:



Thanks,
        Paul
+ - Re: Washington, D.C. - WWW page for programs (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Can you tell me how to get tp the home page?  I do not know how to use WWW.  I
 assume
it is with Mosaic?  Can you send me the keystrokes to start Mosaic and to reach
 your
 homepage?

Paul
+ - Re: Hungarian Hirlevel Free T... (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

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