(Martin Balo) wrote:


>
>I saw a list of Internet access providers in Budapest,
>and promptly lost it.<g>
>
>Does anyone have such a list, or any information about
>accessing the Internet in Budapest ?
>
>--
>Martin Balo
>
>Internet: 


To the best of my knowledge, there are no public access
Internet Service Provider's at the moment anywhere in Hungary.
Compuserve experimented with one earlier this year, but they
are no longer on line. If there is one, it's in the
experimental stage, but once it becomes functional, I'll be
notified and will not hesitate to post it in this newsgroup.

Golly... it's only in the last couple of years that people in
Budapest can start taking telephones for granted. Give it time!

Joe Pannon writes:
> The proper parallel would be to say that Hungarians voted in the
> Socialists knowing full well that in good likelyhood they also voted in
> Gyula Horn as the future P.M.
Indeed they did. This includes the not insignificant number of people
who voted for the Socialist in spite of Mr. Horn. All I said was that
people can (and often do!) vote for one party or another without necessarily
endorsing every politician in that party, so to turn the Republican victory
into a majority endorsement of Newt Gingrich, as Mr. Re1zler suggested,
is inappropriate. The elections were not a referendum on Mr. Gingrich --
if anything, they were a referendum on Bill Clinton.

> I doubt they would have still voted for the Socialists if they had thought
> that it would mean the return of an army of padded coats with it.
I never said they would have. What I said was that personal characteristics
of Mr. Horn (such as having a padded coat past and a tolarance for reckless
driving) may be viewed negatively by many voters, but not negatively enough
to stop them from voting Socialist if that is the party they pin their hopes
on. There is very little reason to believe that those who voted for e.g.
Pataki did so because they like Newt Gingrich: his personal popularity (or
lack thereof) will be tested when *his* seat is up, not when Cuomo's.

> Nor would the American voters for Republicans if they thought that there
> was an army of KKK types coming into power with Newt Gingrich.
I never said he was a KKK type -- I said I dislike him. I came to dislike
him (since Joe asked) for his stance on school prayer (nobody will be
surprised to hear that I'm opposed to school prayer in any shape or form).
I don't think that the Republican victory is a KKK victory, but certainly
fundamentalist Christians are having a ball, and I don't like it.

> Rush Limbaugh so much for: both of these guys are too articulate and too
> effective in debunking their arguments and myths and they just can't
> stand it.
Personally I think Rush is a great entertainer, and perheps so is Newt.  I
just don't like the idea of them articulate debunkers messing around with
the constitution. (They are fully aware that all this school prayer stuff is
absolutely unconstitutional, so they try to modify the constitution.) As for
their anti-big-government agenda, well maybe there is something to it. I can
hardly wait to see them give Clinton the line-item veto and to term-limit
themselves out of existence. Has Huffington turned in his wife yet?

> >         I am a history teacher by background, and I would  assert
> > and defend on any campus in this country that it is impossible to
> > maintain civilization with twelve-year-olds having  babies,  with
> > fifteen-year-olds  killing  each  other, with seventeen-year-olds
> > dying  of  AIDS,  and  with  eighteen-year-olds  ending  up  with
> > diplomas  they  can't  even  read.  And  that what is at issue is
> > literally not Republican or Democrat or Liberal or  Conservative,
> > but the question of whether or not our civilization will survive.
Is the very survival of our civilization really on the shoulders of Newt
Gingrich or even the House that he is speaker of? I should hope not.  But
it's a good quote -- I want to see in four years what he did about crime
(being tough is not enough -- you also have to appropriate money for the
prisons), about teenage pregnancy and AIDS (this is a guy completely opposed
to teaching kids anything about these subjects), or about education
(remember George Bush, Education President?). In fact he's got this whole
Contract with America -- let's see what the new Congress delivers.

Andra1s Kornai

On Tue, 22 Nov 1994  wrote:

> To the best of my knowledge, there are no public access
> Internet Service Provider's at the moment anywhere in Hungary.

Yes there is one, and there are several only email access providers.
Also some new BBSs start to offer Internet access.  There are over 200
dialin BBSs in Budpest only.

ODIN Kft is the premier, and only to my knowledge, full Internet access
provider offering SLIP/PPP, shell, leased line, and from the beginning of
the year ISDN access, a technology that is just starting to be introduced
in the US as well.  I just posted ODIN Kft's email adress, but let me do
it again if someone is interested:



> Compuserve experimented with one earlier this year, but they
> are no longer on line.

Compuserve is still there.  Actually it is an independent company that
offered Compuserve access in the past and they discontinued service about
2 months ago.  There was a short period of time I belive when Compuserve
was only accessible through the Vienna dialin, but the Budapest POP is
up again.


Zoli )

Zoli Fekete quotes and writes:
> On Mon, 21 Nov 1994, Tom Sulyok wrote:

> > I would like to filter out the well meaning (e.g.) Scandinavians, who
> > believe everything that they've read in the papers. (free healthcare
for
> > the masses!)
> > Tom SUlyok

> ...you are right Tom, people in this beautiful and great country, your
> "beloved United States" don't belive what they read in the papers.  How
> did the papers come here anyways?

> Zoli
Well sure as hell not from Scandinavia, Canada mayhaps.
Please note in is not only his "beloved United States" others love it too!
Regards,Jeliko.

I working with 10-14 year old students in central Ohio. If anybody knows a
school e-mail address in Budapst could you pass it my way. Either Hungarian
or English speaking would be great.
Thanks,
Phil Dietrich

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     HIXers of the World, lend me your eyes!

     We're fast approaching the first New York INTERNET.HIX.PARTY, to held
     this Saturday night at 7 PM, in the New York Hungarian House.

     Already we have received a lot of interest, got lots of phone calls,
     e-mail inquiries.  Last Saturday Jozsi Hollosi came to the Hungarian
     House and we tried out our Internet connection -- with great success.
     If all goes well, we'll be able to project to a large screen not only
     the presentation itself, but the "live session" as well.  So, if any of
     you want to "be present" in the New York Hungarian House via the
     screen, get ready for us to sign on to the network after 7:30 PM EST
     (0:30 GMT).  Jozsi will post a separate note with technical
     instructions.

     The presentation will be followed by a PARTY.  We're asking everyone
     who attends to **bring something to eat or drink**, on a picnic basis.
     Jozsi is taking care of the music (he does not trust me with it and I
     don't blame him).

     So, once again, the essential facts:

     Presentation:      INTERNET and HIX -- the global Hungarian village

     By:                Jozsi Hollosi, organizer and moderator of HIX

     Followed by:       * * * * A  P A R T Y  * * * *

     Place:             New York Hungarian House
                        213 East 82nd Street
                        (between 2nd and 3rd Avenues)
                        New York, N.Y.  10028

     Time:              7 PM (provided you'll all get there on time)

     Entrance fee:      $10 per person contribution toward the maintenance
                        of the Hungarian House (tax deductible)

     Information:       212 249-9360   or   


     Hope to see you there!


     Charles Vamossy
     President, Hungarian House
     (and an avid HIXer!)

Be1la wrote:

>economists, generally results in a *decrease* in the number of jobs, since
>many are not cost-effective at the minimum wage.  Thus the appeal of illegal
>immigrants, who *are* cost effective.  To those who argue against this on

No society can justify slave wages based on some cost effectiveness calculation
.
Any AMerican has a right drawn from citizenship to be able to provide for
 himself
at least the most basic necessities, such as a place to live, even if it is onl
y
a 2 room apartment, and basic food and clothing.  It is immoral and inhumain to
have American citizens competing with illegal for jobs on the basis of who is
willing to live at a lower standard of living.  Anyone arguing that a minimum
wage of $5-$7 per hour is too much is expecting to hire the modern equivalent
of tennent farmers - people who work for just enough to keep from starving.
The US cannot support the world's poor.  The solution is not to bankrupt us, bu
t
rather to help people in their own countries.

>immigrants, who *are* cost effective.  To those who argue against this on
>grounds of general humanity, remember that when the "system" works, people
>move out of low-paying, unpleasant jobs when they acquire skills, experience,

What skills do you get at McDonald's which would allow you to move up?  Only
one low-level worker can be promoted to supervisor at a time.  What do the
rest do?  For them to expect $5-$7 per hour is not outragious - that is only
a max of $280 per week before taxes!!!  Does anyone think this is a high
wage?  Do you know where ilegal workers live while in the US?  In broken down
shacks owned by the employer (at least in the case of illegal farm workers).
Is that civilized?  Should Americans live like that to be cost effective
employees?

Consider that in the case of farmers who hir illegals, they only use them a few
weeks each year.  Their pay is only a small part of the cost of farming.  The
other costs are fertilizer and other supplies, machines, seed, water, transport
-
ation.  Raising the pay of farm workers from $2/hour to $5/hour will not raise
the cost of food by the same percent (150%).  If the cost of food goes up
5-10%, our society would not fold, and we would not be guilty of using
slave labor, as we now do.


Paul

>There will be  a commemorative exhibition
>at the Embassy of the Republic of Hungary:
>
>                        Lajos Kossuth
>              in the centennial of his death
>
>Special exhibit from the Kossuth-collection of the Szathmary Family.
>Opening on Friday, December 2nd, 1994 at 7pm
>
>RSVP
>(202)362-6730 Acceptances only!
>
>2950 Spring of Freedom Street, N.W.
>Washington, D.C.
>
>The exhibit is open to the public 3rd-4th of December,
>from 12:00 noon till 5:00 pm
>admission is free


I saw it in New York, and it was great!!  The item displayed are important,
 relevant
items - not stuff like Kossuth's socks, and his walking stick.  They displayed
letters written by him concerning the revolt, books and printed materials on
the revolt (Hungarian army soldiers manual, a letter by him in response to an
invitation to teach in the US, contemporary articles written on him).
I also has a chance to speak with Mr Louis Szathmary, and he is a very engaging
person.  He was very happy to talk to me about what he knows about Hungarian
history. (Louis Szathmary is the owner of the exhibit).

I strongly suggest going, and you guys in DC have it better - the admission in
 NY
was $3  :-)

Paul

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Text item: Text_1

     HIXers of the World, lend me your eyes!

     We're fast approaching the first New York INTERNET.HIX.PARTY, to held
     this Saturday night at 7 PM, in the New York Hungarian House.

     Already we have received a lot of interest, got lots of phone calls,
     e-mail inquiries.  Last Saturday Jozsi Hollosi came to the Hungarian
     House and we tried out our Internet connection -- with great success.
     If all goes well, we'll be able to project to a large screen not only
     the presentation itself, but the "live session" as well.  So, if any of
     you want to "be present" in the New York Hungarian House via the
     screen, get ready for us to sign on to the network after 7:30 PM EST
     (0:30 GMT).  Jozsi will post a separate note with technical
     instructions.

     The presentation will be followed by a PARTY.  We're asking everyone
     who attends to **bring something to eat or drink**, on a picnic basis.
     Jozsi is taking care of the music (he does not trust me with it and I
     don't blame him).

     So, once again, the essential facts:

     Presentation:      INTERNET and HIX -- the global Hungarian village

     By:                Jozsi Hollosi, organizer and moderator of HIX

     Followed by:       * * * * A  P A R T Y  * * * *

     Place:             New York Hungarian House
                        213 East 82nd Street
                        (between 2nd and 3rd Avenues)
                        New York, N.Y.  10028

     Time:              7 PM (provided you'll all get there on time)

     Entrance fee:      $10 per person contribution toward the maintenance
                        of the Hungarian House (tax deductible)

     Information:       212 249-9360   or   


     Hope to see you there!


     Charles Vamossy
     President, Hungarian House
     (and an avid HIXer!)