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Megrendelés Lemondás
1 Re: Summer Travel Costs (mind)  4 sor     (cikkei)
2 Re: Summer Travel Costs (mind)  11 sor     (cikkei)
3 HUNGLISH (mind)  4 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: Summer Travel Costs (mind)  3 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: HUNGLISH? (mind)  24 sor     (cikkei)
6 Re: Human Rights Workshop (fwd) (mind)  8 sor     (cikkei)
7 Re: OBJECTION: CFV: soc.culture.hungarian (mind)  29 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: HUNGLISH?? (mind)  37 sor     (cikkei)
9 Hunglish (mind)  6 sor     (cikkei)
10 Re: HUNGLISH?? (mind)  6 sor     (cikkei)
11 Re: Looking for RFE/RL Daily thru www (mind)  67 sor     (cikkei)
12 Re: Hunglish (mind)  21 sor     (cikkei)
13 Re: HUNGLISH?? (mind)  19 sor     (cikkei)
14 Re: HUNGLISH?? (mind)  32 sor     (cikkei)
15 Re: HUNGLISH?? (mind)  7 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: Summer Travel Costs (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

--

Dennis G Ellison
.
+ - Re: Summer Travel Costs (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I'm heading out to Frankfurt this June and traveling to Budapest
from there for around $800.00. This seems to be a good idea and saves a TON
of money. I'm flying out of Chicago.
        You may want to loook into the "don't fly directly to Hungary"
option to save money.


--

Dennis G Ellison
.
+ - HUNGLISH (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Wait till you see "ba'jt" and "fa'jl" (byte and file, of course), to say
nothing of "szoftver" and "hardver"... Then fasten your seatbelt, to be
told that all of these are laid down in -- yes, really! --a National
Standard for computer terms.
+ - Re: Summer Travel Costs (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Thanks for the tip.  I'll look into the possibility of flying to
Vienna.
Tim
+ - Re: HUNGLISH? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Joe Szalai wrote in HUNGARY #306:

>I'm interested in knowing what readers of this list have to say about
>Hunglish?  Can Hunglish be called a language?  Will it outlive th
>current Hunglish speakers.  How many people speak Hunglish anyway?  I
>know that in Southern Ontario there must by several hundred thousand
>people who would understand the following statement.  "Menjunk el autoval a
>szupermarketba shoppingolni."  Now that's what I call Hunglish!  Too bad
>I don't see much of it on this group.


        I am deeply distressed, eventhough not a Hungarian born Magyar myself,
that there are people like yourself that condone the use of "Hunglish". It is
shameful that ex-pats (and even Hungarians in Hungary) have to resort to such
degrading of their blood roots language! I cannot stand especially the recent
(past 5-10 years or so) "Magyarositas" of hundreds of English words - O.K., I
am stumped at the moment in thinking of one - but guaranteed this summer, no
sooner than I switch on the television on in Hungary, within 10 seconds I will
hear a non-hungarian word trying to be passed as one.
        O.k, I`m the first to admit that on occasions at home, when I do get a
bit stuck on a Hungarian word, Hunglish does rear its ugly head!


Karcsi
+ - Re: Human Rights Workshop (fwd) (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Szia Beata,

Orulok hogy valaki kikuldte a Human Rights Workshop informaciot az
Internet-en.

Majd remelem talallkozunk Shephardstown-ba.

Peter es Krisztina Ujvagi
+ - Re: OBJECTION: CFV: soc.culture.hungarian (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On Wed, 10 May 1995  wrote:
> You wrote: "- this group is mainly about Magyars, that is Hungarians
> and not about Hungary. That is why it is called
> soc.culture.magyar/hungarian and not soc.culture.magyarland/hungary,
> although most of the issues discussed here are
> related to the motherland."
>
> No wonder you are fighting your losing battle so hard. Your premise for
> the group is incorrect, and quite undemocratic in its exclusiveness. This
> forum is for *everyone* and *anyone* who wants to speak about *anything*
> related to Hungaryland;-). Why do you want to be so exclusionary?

Hey Debbie,
no wonder either , you are fighting ;) .
Again, whose loosing battle is this, we will figure out at the end of the
vote, although, probably it will painless, since these issues occupy
hopefully only one of the smallest part of our worlds.
Back to your "no wonder" part, my statement, that this group is about
Magyar/Hungarian people/culture does imply actually, that this is for
everyone and anyone who wants to speak, so your quite dramatic rethoric
about democracy should have been held back had you invested a little more
effort to understand what people write here ;)
Take care my dearest,
Gotthard

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+ - Re: HUNGLISH?? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article > Joe Szalai
> writes:
>Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 21:45:13 -0400
>From: Joe Szalai >
>Subject: HUNGLISH??

>I have heard Hunglish spoken since my family came to Canada in 1957.
>However, I have never seen Hunglish written.  At least not in Canada.  In
>Hungary there seems to be a growing number of written Hunglish.  For
>example, I've seen 'server' written as 'szerver'.  Could it be that
>Hunglish can only be written by Hungarians in Hungary.  The rest of us
>can speak it but not write it.

>I'm interested in knowing what readers of this list have to say about
>Hunglish?  Can Hunglish be called a language?  Will it outlive the
>current Hunglish speakers.  How many people speak Hunglish anyway?  I
>know that in Southern Ontario there must by several hundred thousand
>people who would understand the following statement.  "Menjunk el autoval a
>szupermarketba shoppingolni."  Now that's what I call Hunglish!  Too bad
>I don't see much of it on this group.

>Joe Szalai                       Tel:519 885-1211, ex5544
>User Services                    Net:
>Dana Porter Library
>University of Waterloo

Hunglish is not a language. To me, it seems to be a way of expressing that
Hungary is a modern country. By introducing foreign i.g. western words into
the Hungarian language, a suggestion of freedom, improvement etc. is being
created. As the say in Hungary  "Mint a nagyok". In fact, everybody in Hungary
still wants to be associated with the west. In view of Hungary's recent past,
it would be more logical to see much more Russian words in the language, but
obviously this is a popular habbit.
What is striking is that many hungarians don't understand the meaning of the
words they are using.
For example, when they want to say "goodbey", the say "Hello".
Hello, FSZ.
+ - Hunglish (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Hunglish is the language that I grew up with. I'm thrilled to find out
there are others speaking it. When my Hungarian-born parents finally went
back to visit, they commented on how odd the language had become...almost
...incomprehensible.

Julie Kirsh
+ - Re: HUNGLISH?? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I tink it is a disgrace! Even to talk about oit as a new
language!!!!Ungarian is such a unique language any awful distortion as
such is criminal. I suggest we spend our energy on preserving the
language as it was meant to be and correct the people who use such
mass communication problems as you are referring to
Susanna
+ - Re: Looking for RFE/RL Daily thru www (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,  (A
YASUTOMI) writes:

> I am looking for www sites where I can get daily news from RFE/RL,
> especially on Hungary.
> If someone knows any ideas about this, please tell me the www address

>From the today's OMRI Daily Report:


OMRI DAILY DIGEST
No. 91, Part II, 11 May 1995

This is Part II of the Open Media Research Institute's Daily Digest.
Part II is a compilation of news concerning East-Central and
Southeastern Europe. Part I, covering Russia, Transcaucasia and Central
Asia, and the CIS, is distributed simultaneously as a second document.
Back issues of the Daily Digest, and other information about OMRI, are
available through OMRI's WWW pages: http://www.omri.cz/OMRI.html

..


HUNGARY PASSES PRIVATIZATION BILL. The Hungarian parliament on 9 May
passed the long-awaited bill on privatization, Hungarian and Western
media reported. The new law merges the two existing privatization
agencies and outlines plans to sell most state-owned firms. Under the
law, the government will decide on the privatization of banks, financial
institutions, and large companies, while the privatization of medium-
sized and small companies will fall under the jurisdiction of the
privatization agency. A new 11-member board, composed of representatives
of parliament parties, the government, and employers and employees, will
supervise the privatization agency. Some opposition politicians and
economists have criticized the law for not making the privatization
process more transparent and for failing to give the parliament adequate
powers to oversee the process. They also expressed fears that the
government might use the supervisory board to interfere in the
privatization process. -- Edith Oltay, OMRI, Inc.

..


As of 12:00 CET]

Compiled by Jan Cleave

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---
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(All disclaimers apply.)
+ - Re: Hunglish (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I do not like Hunglish.
>>Will it outlive the
>>current Hunglish speakers.

Yes. The question is really, will the old fashion hungarian language
outlive them?

PS. It does not bother me, that in hungary, the police cars have bilangual
signs, but it bothers me, that POLICE is written on the top with large letters,
and Rendorseg written on the bottom with small letters.

Sandor.

>>Too bad
>>I don't see much of it on this group.

This is an english speaking forum. For hungarian discussion, see
. But refreshingly they do not speak hunglish there.

P.S. This mailing list is almos dead. I guess will all got
tired of disputing.
+ - Re: HUNGLISH?? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,
Joe Szalai  > wrote:

        [clipped]

>I'm interested in knowing what readers of this list have to say about
>Hunglish?  Can Hunglish be called a language?  Will it outlive the
>current Hunglish speakers.  How many people speak Hunglish anyway?  I
>know that in Southern Ontario there must by several hundred thousand
>people who would understand the following statement.  "Menjunk el autoval a
>szupermarketba shoppingolni."  Now that's what I call Hunglish!  Too bad
>I don't see much of it on this group.
>
        Where I come from we called it "Mangol."  :)

Mike.  :)


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
+ - Re: HUNGLISH?? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Kedves frendjeim!
En mindigis ellene voltam a HUNGLISH-nak de most jol jon egy kis dzsok!
Ti mar egaysz jol szpikolitek a HUNGLISH-t.  Semmivel sem rosszsabb, mint
az eszperanto.  For those who do not beszels the magyar, I have a new
suggestion.  Cut the word in half and add Hungarian conjugation.  But use
the English prefixes: PRESUPPOSITION = presuppozicionalas, stb.  I hope
to chair next year's HUNGLISH Conferencia.  All suggestions welcome.
Arjun.


On Thu, 11 May 1995, Michael Csiki wrote:

> In article >,
> Joe Szalai  > wrote:
>
>         [clipped]
>
> >I'm interested in knowing what readers of this list have to say about
> >Hunglish?  Can Hunglish be called a language?  Will it outlive the
> >current Hunglish speakers.  How many people speak Hunglish anyway?  I
> >know that in Southern Ontario there must by several hundred thousand
> >people who would understand the following statement.  "Menjunk el autoval a
> >szupermarketba shoppingolni."  Now that's what I call Hunglish!  Too bad
> >I don't see much of it on this group.
> >
>         Where I come from we called it "Mangol."  :)
>
> Mike.  :)
> 
> 
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
+ - Re: HUNGLISH?? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

FSZ wrote:

>For example, when they want to say "goodbey", the say "Hello".

It is just as well they didn't say "goodbey".

Joe

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