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1 New Year + Szilveszter (was Re: How to say ...) (mind)  23 sor     (cikkei)
2 Malta was the 2nd Yalta (was: National Review on Yalta (mind)  18 sor     (cikkei)
3 Re: Are they House-trained? (mind)  77 sor     (cikkei)
4 Free subscription to Global Risk Bulletin (mind)  5 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: "Great" Moravia" (was Re: meaning of Czech) (mind)  26 sor     (cikkei)
6 Re: Any conference to be held (mind)  14 sor     (cikkei)
7 Train connection Budapest - Baia Mare (mind)  15 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: SCM: Need help with MAGYAR (mind)  4 sor     (cikkei)
9 Re: Magyars Hun-ancestry !? (was Re: Joe & Quebec .... (mind)  40 sor     (cikkei)
10 Re: Are they House-trained? (mind)  47 sor     (cikkei)

+ - New Year + Szilveszter (was Re: How to say ...) (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

 (Andras Nagy) wrote:

>: from someone in love with a Hungarian who lives in California
> As far as I remember the slang "BUJE'K" - Boldog Uj E'vet Kivanunk !!

It's just BUE'K where I'm from.  

[Actually, that's a lie because where I'm from (at the moment) they say "Happy
Hogmanay!  An' thar's a bro bricht mon licht nicht tae nicht, Pol!"]

Anybody know why we use the word "Szilveszter" in relation to this? Is it just
one of those "Latin" borrowings?  I know all my Polski, Hrvatski and Srpski
(not sure about Russkiy) friends use something similar too ...


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+ - Malta was the 2nd Yalta (was: National Review on Yalta (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

>From: "Arpad F. Kovacs" >
>Subject: National Review on "Yalta II"
>WWW                : http://www.glue.umd.edu/~kovacs
>personal email     : 

What I consider to be the 2nd Yalta is the fact that the West has
accepted excommunists as heirs to the comunist rule(ers).
Although I was not invited, I belive that during the meeting on 
ships near Malta a deal was made between Bush ang Gorbi that
there will be no Nurnberg-like trial of the (ex)communists.
This single fact was sufficient to leave the VICTIMS of the 
excommunists in their roles of the VICTIMS. So to me this very fact
(regardless whether it did or not happened at Malta) was and is
the new betrayal of the selfproclaimed Free West: betrayal of the
victims of the excommunists.
Malta was the 2nd Yalta
+ - Re: Are they House-trained? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Hermes > wrote:
>:Perhaps M. Christian has not had a chance to read the lastest (12/16/95)
>:issue of The Economist.  In an article entitled "Are They
>:House-trained?"  it states:
>Indeed not, but will attempt do so !
>:"In Slovakia and Romania. the old anti-democratic bully is emerging in
>:democratically elected leaders: Vladimir Meciar and Ion Iliescu are both
>:roughnecks for whom opposition and minority rights are dirty words.
>Well, even Clinton is getting bad press often enough. It does not mean
>however that you can judge the USA by the coverage the president is getting.
>More representative would be, to judge things by the party that is in power.
>In Hungary's case the good ol' communist party, smiling through a shiny,
>brand new makeup.  The Romanian equivalent would be as if Mr. Vadim and
>Mr. Verdet's party came to power, which for now thank God it has not.
>Thus I was suggesting, in terms that were perhaps rambunctious, that the
>kettle should not call the pot black !
>:The article, a couple of paragraphs down continues:
>:"Several top operators from the communist world, such as -- within the
>:old Soviet Union -- Georgia's Edward Shevardnadze and Lithuania's
>:Algirdas Brazukas have undergone sincere changes of heart.  The same goes
>:for Hungary's Gyula Horn and probably Ukraine's Leonid Kuchma, now a
>:strong economic reformer."
>In this posture of his deepest sagacity, the author endeavors to look in
>the souls of these East European leaders to ascertain which is reformed,
>and which is not.
>This would be acceptable, if it was being done by some Gypsy fortune
>teller in a Transylvanian market, and they would be likely to reflect
>the same degree of accuracy in their postulation.
>:I wonder if M. Christian would add the reporters and editors of this
>:London based, well respected news magazine to his list of "delusional
>:bovines".  Perhaps he may find it a bit more productive to look in his
>:own back yard.
>:Charles Vamossy
>I should perhaps add the editors to my list of 'plain bovines'; If a
>major East European publication would query the issue of the Queen of
>England being 'housebroken'... it would no doubt be deemed at least
>a tasteless headline in Britain !
>m. cristian

I am relieved to read that M. Christian finds everything in Romania a 
model of democracy and market economy. How wonderful it must be for 
Romanians to know that, unlike Hungary, the old Communist Party has 
completely disappeared from government and none of Ceucescu's top aides 
have anything to do with running the country.

As far as the London based news magazine The Economist is concerned, I'd 
like to thank M. Christian for enlightening me and readers of this 
discussion group about the "bovines" who write and edit that magazine.  
Indeed, it doeas seem curious how their writers were able to form 
opinions about the East European governments and their leaders.  It's 
possible that they consulted some market square fortune tellers -- as M. 
Chistian suggests -- but I have a sneaky suspicion that they did a little 
more than that, like checking facts and soliciting the opinions of 
Western European leaders.

Now that we know from M. Christian that the Economist is yellow 
journalistic boulevard rag, perhaps he could offer us one more helpful 
hint:   how do we get the European leaders, who make decisions like NATO 
and EU memberships for Romania, Hungary and others, and make investement 
decisions in the region, to stop reading such trash as The Economist, the 
Finacial Times, The Wall Street Journal or the New York Times.  

with my very best wishes,

Charles Vamossy
+ - Free subscription to Global Risk Bulletin (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

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+ - Re: "Great" Moravia" (was Re: meaning of Czech) (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Liviu Iordache wrote:
>Kevin Hannan > wrote:
>>from the period of Great Moravia (9th c.) demonstrate that the
>>tribal organization of the Czechs was distinct from that of the
>>Moravians of Moravia and Slovakia (during this period the
>>populations inhabiting modern Moravia and Slovakia were united
>Actually,, "Great" Moravia, once assumed to be Moravia north of the
>Danube and Vienna,  has now been identified instead with the Burg of
>Morava located either on the Sava River (ancient Sirmium, present-day
>Sremska Mitrovica)  or on the Mures River (urbs Morisena, later called
>Maroswar, but known today as Cenad in Romanian)

Hmmm, that sounds like Imre Boba's theory published in 1971. However,
Liviu's theory ought to be contrasted with Prof. Henrik Birnbaum's 1993
rebuttal to Imre Boba's contention, since it addresses the same theory.

Birnbaum's article "Where was the Center of the Moravian State?"
was published in the American Contributions to the Eleventh International
Congress of Slavists, Maguire and Timberlake (eds.), 1993, and presented
literary, geographical and archeological considerations which Boba
(and Liviu :-) did not take into consideration.

All disclaimers apply. Not speaking for Ford.
+ - Re: Any conference to be held (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Am I missing something? All Magyars moved to Asia?  :-)

In article >, Li Yong > wrote:
>Hi Dear netters,
>Could you help me find out any conference in IT to be held in
>Malaysia in the next few months? Your help is most appreciated !
+ - Train connection Budapest - Baia Mare (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)


I have a question and maybe someone in Budapest (or just someone who
knows the answer) can help me with this.

I'm travelling to Rumania this Christmas. The problemis that the Dutch
Railways don't have any information on the railways beyond Budapest.
We need a connection from Budapest to Baia Mare in Rumania. I've found
some information that the train we seek goes from Budapest to Debrecen
to Satu Mare to Baia Mare (could be more than one train , I don't

Can anyone help me with this ? Thanks in advance!

Marco Littel
+ - Re: SCM: Need help with MAGYAR (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

It's "Boldog Szulete'snapot" or simply "Boldog Szulinapot" with an umlaut
over the u both times.
(Happy Birthday in Hungarian.)
--Shannon Morris
+ - Re: Magyars Hun-ancestry !? (was Re: Joe & Quebec .... (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

"Dr Alex M Farkas (Staff)" > wrote:

>>>: >the alleged Hun-Magyar dynastic continuity it's neither a historical
>>>: >fact, nor a myth without any basis in facts. It is just a plain
>>>: >misconception. There is no connection, whatsoever, between the 5th
>>>: >century Attila the Hun and 9th century Arpad. Period.

>Whatever happened to the theory that the "Trans-Uralic" Magyars (i.e. during
>the honfoglala's) merged with the Hunnic descended tribes that lived in the
>Carpathian basin at the time? (NB this question does not ask about the Huns of

I don't know what "honfoglala" means, but I guess you are referring to
the Szekelys who, according to Anonymus, were in the Carpathian Basin
before the arrival of the federation led by Almus and Arpad. The
"Siculi" of Anonymus were the people of Atthyla/Ethela the King (omnes
Siculi, qui primo erant populi Atthyle regis). Based on the axiomatic
premise that Anonymus' Atthyla was the famous Attila the Hun, it was
speculated that the ancestors of the Szekelys were the Huns. However,
because the established historical facts described by Anonymus do not
fit into the 5th century one must conclude that the chronicler was not
having in  Attila the Hun. 

The "Siculi" were also known to Simon de Keza, who calls them "Hunni"
but mentions that they did not call themselves "Huns", but "Zaculi."
Furthermore, Keza uses the term "Hunni" interchangeably for the Avars
and for the Onogurs, at a time when in Western sources the Latin form
"Hunni, " and the Greek "Ounnoi" were used both for the Avars and for
the Onogurs (i.e., the Pannonian Bulgars) It follows that Keza's
"Hunni", who called themselves "Zaculi," are the "Siculi" known to
Anonymus as "populus Atthyle regis." Therefore, Atthyla regis, the
last rex of the Siculi, was not Attila the Hun but probably the Khagan
of the Pannonian Avar-Onogur federation. 

An extremely interesting reading on this topic is Imre Boba's "One or
two Attilas in the Gesta of Anonymus Belae Regis?"[Ural-Altaische
Jahrbucher, 1990, 62, 37-73)
Liviu Iordache
+ - Re: Are they House-trained? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Hermes > wrote:
>On 18 Dec 1995, CHARLES VAMOSSY wrote:
>> Now that we know from M. Christian that the Economist is yellow 
>> journalistic boulevard rag, perhaps he could offer us one more helpful 
>> hint:   how do we get the European leaders, who make decisions like NATO 
>> and EU memberships for Romania, Hungary and others, and make investement 
>> decisions in the region, to stop reading such trash as The Economist, the 
>> Finacial Times, The Wall Street Journal or the New York Times.  
>> with my very best wishes,
>> Charles Vamossy
>I am sure that something like that would not even occur to Mr. Iliescu.
>As 'vicked' as he may be for so 'vilanousely' persecuting those Maghiar
>minorities, he may have graduated beyond censorship. 
>As far the headline in 'The Economist', one should be entitled to see
>intelectual content above the level of tabloid like cheap shots. At least
>in a 'prestigious' magazine that one is expected to pay for acordingly ! 
>m. cristian
>P.S.  Relax man ! None of the publications that you so kindly enumerate
>      come close to The Bible & The Coran in holiness. Hint, when in 
>      doubt, it is OK not to take them seriousely.

I am relieved to learn that the Bible and the Koran are held in such high 
regard by Mr. Cristian. And I am certain that Mr. Iliescu also goes to 
bed alternately reading one or the other as he drifts off to sleep. Such 
a wonderful image of a peaceful, tolerant, enlightened country and its 
great kondukator   oops... wise leader.  

I must confess that I read both great religious books a lot less 
frequently than I should or would want to.  But if it's all the same to 
M. Cristian, I will still continue my practice to check the prices of my 
stocks in the Wall Street Journal, although I will try to take them 
less seriously...

with best wishes for the holidays,

Charles Vamossy