Hollosi Information eXchange /HIX/
HIX HUNGARY 1061
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1997-07-18
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Megrendelés Lemondás
1 Re: Hungary and the EU (mind)  14 sor     (cikkei)
2 Re: Lemon Chicken Soup (mind)  25 sor     (cikkei)
3 Re: Hungary and the EU (mind)  19 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: Hungarian Lobby Action on Slovakia (mind)  13 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: Lemon Chicken Soup (mind)  45 sor     (cikkei)
6 Re: Hungarian Lobby Action on Slovakia (mind)  47 sor     (cikkei)
7 Leave (mind)  5 sor     (cikkei)
8 Hungarian Lobby Action on Slovakia (mind)  40 sor     (cikkei)
9 Re: Hungarian Lobby Action on Slovakia (mind)  33 sor     (cikkei)
10 Re: Hungarian Lobby Action on Slovakia (mind)  41 sor     (cikkei)
11 Re: i must speak (mind)  22 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: Hungary and the EU (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 03:09 PM 7/17/97 -0400, Andy J. Vadasz wrote:

<snip>
>Germany has encouraged ethnic Germans to immigrate. As a result the German
>(Saxon) minority in Romania is less than half of what it was a generation
>ago.  Regards, Andy.

Germany has a different (unique?) immigration policy in that anyone who has
some German blood can become a citizen, and those who don't, can't.  Also,
didn't the German government pay the Ceausescu regime a large(?) amount of
money for every Saxon the Romanian government allowed to emigrate?  In this
respect, Hungary's laws and finances are very different from Germany's.

Joe Szalai
+ - Re: Lemon Chicken Soup (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 09:39 AM 7/17/97 +0200, Miklos Hoffmann wrote:

>Joe Szalai wrote:
>> I can't speak for Marina, but I'm no expert.  Heck, I can't even understand
>> what you're asking.  What's a "synoptic recipe data model of the chicken
>> soup"?  Do you mean a summery of the principle parts of the soup - like
>> chicken, water, vegetables, and salt?  Surely that's not what you mean.
>>
>> Joe Szalai

>Of course you are an expert with your variations! No pulling legs!
>I mean an overview of the different variations of the chicken
>soup ( by the way, any of the comp.sc. guys at UW would readily explain
>you what I ( as homo ludens ) wrote:) ).
>Miklos

Your comments are so cryptic that they lead to confusion.  I'm an expert
with my variations?  Which of my variations are you referring to -
political, social, sexual, culinary, or what?  I'm only asking because, I
suppose, they can all have an effect on the chicken soup.

And, as for pulling legs, I hope you're talking about chicken legs because
I wouldn't want you to pull >my< legs - or anything else for that matter.

Joe Szalai
+ - Re: Hungary and the EU (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Joe Szalai wrote:
>
> At 03:09 PM 7/17/97 -0400, Andy J. Vadasz wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >Germany has encouraged ethnic Germans to immigrate. As a result the German
> >(Saxon) minority in Romania is less than half of what it was a generation
> >ago.  Regards, Andy.
>
> Germany has a different (unique?) immigration policy in that anyone who has
> some German blood can become a citizen, and those who don't, can't.  Also,
> didn't the German government pay the Ceausescu regime a large(?) amount of
> money for every Saxon the Romanian government allowed to emigrate?  In this
> respect, Hungary's laws and finances are very different from Germany's.
>
> Joe Szalai
I do confirm. ( Whether it is unique or not, I don4t know. Nor
am I aware of another instance. )
MKH
+ - Re: Hungarian Lobby Action on Slovakia (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Bela Liptak wrote:
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> Andy Vadasz is preparing a comprehensive action plan to influence Slovak
> policy.

Dear Bela,
I do support most of your iniciatives. But don4t you think a
sentence formulated like this can be terribly misunderstood and
misused?
Best regards
Miklos
+ - Re: Lemon Chicken Soup (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Joe Szalai wrote:

Sorry Uncle Joe! ( probably, I am older )  I didn4t mean ( this time )
to tease you.
>
> >> I can't speak for Marina, but I'm no expert.  Heck, I can't even understan
d
> >> what you're asking.  What's a "synoptic recipe data model of the chicken
> >> soup"?  Do you mean a summery of the principle parts of the soup - like
> >> chicken, water, vegetables, and salt?  Surely that's not what you mean.
> >>
>
> >Of course you are an expert with your variations! No pulling legs!
> >I mean an overview of the different variations of the chicken
> >soup ( by the way, any of the comp.sc. guys at UW would readily explain


> >you what I ( as homo ludens ) wrote:) ).


>
> Your comments are so cryptic that they lead to confusion.  I'm an expert
> with my variations?  Which of my variations are you referring to -

of the chicken soup, of course!

> political,

Are there any? ( this time I am pulling you a - chicken -leg,
I am teasing you, I confess!-)) )

 social, sexual, culinary, or what?

There may be many of these, too. They are none of my business;-)
The culinary might be of interest, however...

  I'm only asking because, I
> suppose, they can all have an effect on the chicken soup.
>
> And, as for pulling legs, I hope you're talking about chicken legs because
> I wouldn't want you to pull >my< legs - or anything else for that > matter.

Nothing else, Uncle Joe, I promise!-)

MKH
+ - Re: Hungarian Lobby Action on Slovakia (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Charles Mikecz Vamossy wrote:
>
> At 06:22 AM 7/18/97 +0200, you wrote:
> >Bela Liptak wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Colleagues,
> >>
> >> Andy Vadasz is preparing a comprehensive action plan to influence Slovak
> >> policy.
> >
> >Dear Bela,
> >I do support most of your iniciatives. But don4t you think a
> >sentence formulated like this can be terribly misunderstood and
> >misused?
> >Best regards
> >Miklos
> >
> >
>
> Miklos, perhaps its just semantics, but "influence" is exactly what the
> Lobby should exert on Slovak policy, the same as it exerts an influence on
> Romanian or even US policy.
>
> To influence means to cause others to consider your point of view and if
> possible, act accordingly.  That is exactly what the Lobby is trying to do.
> Its not always successful, its "influence" at times may be very little, but
> at times its point of view is accepted, or its specific requests
> incorporated into policy.
>
> As an example, in the upcoming months we, Hungarian-Americans, will do our
> best to influence our legislators in Congress to vote "yes" on NATO
> expansion.  We will do that by educating them on the benefits of NATO
> expansion to the US, meeting with them in person, writing letters in the
> press, etc.  Since a 2/3 majority of the Senate is needed, passage is in no
> way assured and there are some well respected Senators who are against it.
>
> We hope to influence them to change their mind.  That is what a lobby does.
>
> regards from New York
>
Regards to Big Apple, Fun City...
There is a slightly different nuance, however, when influencing
the policy of a state or influencing your government or even
trying to convince another government. Charly, I am wholly on your side.
I only know, how these nuances are being PERCIEVED in Europe.
Being a TOUCH more carefull could mean being more influential...
Miklos
+ - Leave (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Hi everybody,
you won4t have to bear with me for a good week ( Budapest, etc ).
Have a good time, enjoy the summer ( Aussies, forgive me, I mean the
winter, of course... )
MKH
+ - Hungarian Lobby Action on Slovakia (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Dear Colleagues,

Andy Vadasz is preparing a comprehensive action plan to influence Slovak
policy. Please provide him with all the data and suggestions you can, so that
we might not only "make a difference," but focus our energy "where it
counts."

Slovakia has been told to "issue its minority language law" and not to
violate both the Slovak Constitution and the Basic Treaty with Hungary by
terminating the use of bilingual report cards (in uninterrupted use since
1921) by the following officials:

OSCE High Commissioner Max van der Stoel,

Congressman Christopher Smith, co-chairman of the US Commission on Security
and Cooperation in Europe,

Deputy director of the Council of Europe's Human Rights Department,

Pal Csaky, (VP of Hungarian Christian Demcratic Party of Slovakia) is filing
a complaint at the European Human Rights Court in Strasbourg,

EU Commissioner, Hans van den Broek and
President Clinton, who wrote to President Michal Kovac expressing "concerns
for the minorities."

Yet, the Slovak Ministry of Education rejected the petition signed by 55,000
Slovak citizens and Prime Minister Meciar stated (in connection with the
Joint Parliamentary Committee's decision of the Council of Europe to give
Slovakia until November to change her ways, or face exclusion from EU
expansion talks), that "nobody can give ultimatums to Slovakia."

In view of the above, the suggestion of the Hungarian Coalition (and of the
untiring Edwars Chaszar) to seek formal protection for the 110 Hungarian
school officials who issued bilingual report cards, from OCSE, CSCE and the
Council of Europe, could be one of the "focused actions" we might decide to
join in, by sending thousands of letters to the presidents of OCSE, CSCE and
CE.

Best regards: Bela Liptak
+ - Re: Hungarian Lobby Action on Slovakia (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

>>
>> Miklos, perhaps its just semantics, but "influence" is exactly what the
>> Lobby should exert on Slovak policy, the same as it exerts an influence on
>> Romanian or even US policy.
>>
>> To influence means to cause others to consider your point of view and if
>> possible, act accordingly.  That is exactly what the Lobby is trying to do.
>>
>> We hope to influence them to change their mind.  That is what a lobby does.
>>
>> regards from New York
>>
>Regards to Big Apple, Fun City...
>There is a slightly different nuance, however, when influencing
>the policy of a state or influencing your government or even
>trying to convince another government.

Folks: we can phrase things in a very diplomatic way. E.g. if we are
convinced the language law conflicts with the Slovak constitution, we can
label our action as "Defend the Slovak Constitution!"  Who can argue with
that? What bothers me the most that Meciar already has illustrious people on
his back and seems to bull ahead anyhow. Even the Slovak president (Kovac)
denounced the school report card edict- no matter. (Madeleine Albright had a
meeting with Meciar last week. I wish I could have heard what said. She is
refreshingly blunt and knowledgeable).

We need to get the best possible advice if we are to be effective. So please
respond to the call and then let's move !

A.J. Vadasz
5743 Pignut Mtn. Dr.
Warrenton VA 20187
USA T:540 349 1408
+ - Re: Hungarian Lobby Action on Slovakia (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 06:22 AM 7/18/97 +0200, you wrote:
>Bela Liptak wrote:
>>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>> Andy Vadasz is preparing a comprehensive action plan to influence Slovak
>> policy.
>
>Dear Bela,
>I do support most of your iniciatives. But don4t you think a
>sentence formulated like this can be terribly misunderstood and
>misused?
>Best regards
>Miklos
>
>

Miklos, perhaps its just semantics, but "influence" is exactly what the
Lobby should exert on Slovak policy, the same as it exerts an influence on
Romanian or even US policy.

To influence means to cause others to consider your point of view and if
possible, act accordingly.  That is exactly what the Lobby is trying to do.
Its not always successful, its "influence" at times may be very little, but
at times its point of view is accepted, or its specific requests
incorporated into policy.

As an example, in the upcoming months we, Hungarian-Americans, will do our
best to influence our legislators in Congress to vote "yes" on NATO
expansion.  We will do that by educating them on the benefits of NATO
expansion to the US, meeting with them in person, writing letters in the
press, etc.  Since a 2/3 majority of the Senate is needed, passage is in no
way assured and there are some well respected Senators who are against it.

We hope to influence them to change their mind.  That is what a lobby does.


regards from New York


Charlie Vamossy
+ - Re: i must speak (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >, Bob Hosh
> writes:

>> You! No soup for you for...three months!
>> Sam Stowe
>
>
>Gads!!  I'm in the soup, eh, Sam???  :-)
>
>Bob Hosh


Perhaps, but no need to stew about it.
Sam Stowe

"Only a redeemed mankind
receives the fullness of its
past -- which is to say, only
for a redeemed mankind has
its past become citable in all
its moments..."
-- Walter Benjamin

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