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1995-10-04
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Megrendelés Lemondás
1 Re: *** HUNGARY *** #445 (mind)  23 sor     (cikkei)
2 Thanks for Sharing (mind)  35 sor     (cikkei)
3 yearning for dictatorship (mind)  26 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: To Eva Balogh: no, it wouldn't be stupid (mind)  17 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: Hungarian economy (mind)  31 sor     (cikkei)
6 Re: Hungarian economy (mind)  1 sor     (cikkei)
7 Re: To Eva Balogh: no, it wouldn't be stupid (mind)  25 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: Vigasztalja (mind)  21 sor     (cikkei)
9 To Sandor: RE: MAgyar/Szekely Division (mind)  8 sor     (cikkei)
10 Sinister plans -- to Tony (mind)  26 sor     (cikkei)
11 Re: (mind)  9 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: *** HUNGARY *** #445 (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

i wrote;
> I really do understand your anger, but please remember the crimes
that
> were perpetuated by the communists in its  Communism for the "fight against
>  fascists".
and:
> Obviously someone like csurka would never discriminate himself. he

before anyone else writes about how "stupid" i appeared to be (perhaps
someone already has) let me correct the two glaring errors I made.
I send this stuff late and sometimes make mistakes.
it should have read;
the crimes that were perpetuated by the communist in "its fight against
fascists". and instead of discriminate himself it obviously
should have been  incriminate himself. sorry, i am not usually this
careless..

And tamas, you are right, this csurka thing has gone too far. I was the one who
is at fault making something out of nothing. I will try to
stick to the topic next time.

> dini metro-roland
>
+ - Thanks for Sharing (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

For some mysterious reason Dr Pellionisz keeps answering questions nobody
asked.  The questions all seem to revolve around himself.  We know how
many cars he got, and what kind.  We know when he gets on the phone with
Important People.  We know what he thought and did at the tender age of 13.
We get to hear whether was a Party member or not, whether he worked for
the III/3 department or not, what he had for breakfast, whether he went
to Germany, what honors he got there, from whom, why, and why not.

There is no telling what might be behind this compulsive need to share
personal details with anyone who comes along.  Perhaps the confessional
impulse comes from all those 12-step programs.  But even those who do give
a hoot about the minutiae of the Doctor's life might get dizzy from so much
detail.  Little snippets of information are buried in an avalanche of words,
leaving the reader disoriented.  What did he say?  Which department?  When?
Did he say he did, or did he say he didn't, or did he say he does not recall?
What is this AVH Foundation that is giving him all those prizes?  The
Alexander Von Humboldt Prize?  Which Humboldt Prize?  The one everyone gets,
or the special one for special people like him?  There is an important
difference.  Must explain it in more detail.  Same name, you see, but
two different prizes.  Is this like the old joke about Shakespeare?
"According to the latest Shakespeare scholarship, the bard's plays were
not written by Shakespeare, but by a completely different person with the
same name."  What on earth got him going about this?  Why does it matter?
Who cares?

Perhaps if the good Doctor would try to cover a bit less ground per
sentence then we might begin to fathom what he is driving at.  Slow down.
Omit needless words.  Simplify.  Take pity on the poor reader.  Just
announce that your multi-volume opus titled "The Amazing Story Behind
My Humboldt Prize" is available by e-mail to those who request it.
Someone out there might actually be interested.  You never know.

-----
Gabor Fencsik

+ - yearning for dictatorship (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Dear gabor,

to answer your question, the reason that many Hungarians yearn for the
days of the  old dictatorship is because westernization and radical
change frightens them.
many got used to their jobs where they did not have to work.
many are scared (and rightfully so) of high unemployment
and most importantly, many are horrified of not knowing what lies
ahead. The old dictatorship was terrible, but was something that
they learned to cope with.Under communism, although there
were homeless
and poor hungarians, you didnt see as many older men and women
rummaging through garbage cans becasue their pensions were too low to
live off. people are scared.(and justifiably so)
However, what they fail to realize is that hungary's economic state is
not a result
of the myopic decisions of MDF, but rather, it is the result of the
communist governments refusal to directly deal with the economic problems
 as they surfaced in the 80s.(due to the circumstances of the time,  unpopular
 long-term economic reforms were not an option) as a result, hungary must
pay for the mistakes of yesterday.

What many hungarians want, is the trained politicians of the communist
regime  who were adroit at concealing pressing economic problems
or at the least, gave you other things to worry about.
dini metro-roland
+ - Re: To Eva Balogh: no, it wouldn't be stupid (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

So Hungarian entrepreneurs are not greedy by definition?
Fascinating proposition... All this utopian thinking...



>
> Tamas
>         In my experience with American business, mergers have frequently
> resulted in the ruin of the acquired company. However, this has not been
> the result of a sinister plan. It has resulted from greed (take the
> revenue from the business but don't put any capital into it) or
> incompetence (not understanding the business and mismanaging it).
> These risks certainly apply to privatization of Hungarian businesses
> as well.
>         I believe the real hope is that Hungarian entrepreneurs will be
> able to build new businesses.
>
+ - Re: Hungarian economy (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Frank Kemeny asks about Hungarian bank accounts in dollars. I've had an
account with the OTP in Sterling and another in "convertible" forints with
the Postabank, both for several years. These accounts were specifically for
foreigners when they were opened and could have been denominated in most
hard currencies. The interest rate on the former is pretty lousy - only 2%
or so. The rate on the forint account was quite high last time I checked -
just a bit below the inflation rate. Both were "at sight" accounts but
could have been deposit accounts offering a slightly higher rate. I also
have a domestic account with the OTP in forints for which one is supposed
to be a resident and have wages paid directly from an employer. I don't
quite know how, but I seemed to pursuade the bank that I spend most of my
time in Bp. (in fact, I'm resident in the UK). With a modest average
monthly balance (e.g. HUF20.000, but there may be a precise figure), the
OTP domestic account will give you an ATM card which can be quite handy. In
all three cases I just walked into a biggish branch in Bp. and asked to
open an account (giving them some documentary identification). It all
seemed very easy and open to a lot of abuse.

I don't have any Web sites for the Chamber of Commerce in Bp., but you
could try calling your nearest Hungarian Chamber of Commerce or the New
York office of the MNB on (212) 969 9270. They should give you current and
historic rates. You may be able to find copies of the MNB's monthly report.
This contains loads of historic exchange rates and interest rates, although
it takes a few months to be published. Try also the weekly Hungary Report
(http://www.isys.hu/hrep/). That usually has current exchange rates. I'm
sorry I can't offer any other electronic sources for this information.

Regards

   Jonathan Gordon-Till
   Oxford, England
+ - Re: Hungarian economy (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

The interest on dollar deposits in Hungarian banks is around 3%.
+ - Re: To Eva Balogh: no, it wouldn't be stupid (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Eva
        It is important that Hungarian entrepreneurs be
greedy. That motivation could result in growing successful
Hungarian businesses.

Tony
>
> So Hungarian entrepreneurs are not greedy by definition?
> Fascinating proposition... All this utopian thinking...
> 
>
>
> >
> > Tamas
> >         In my experience with American business, mergers have frequently
> > resulted in the ruin of the acquired company. However, this has not been
> > the result of a sinister plan. It has resulted from greed (take the
> > revenue from the business but don't put any capital into it) or
> > incompetence (not understanding the business and mismanaging it).
> > These risks certainly apply to privatization of Hungarian businesses
> > as well.
> >         I believe the real hope is that Hungarian entrepreneurs will be
> > able to build new businesses.
> >
>
+ - Re: Vigasztalja (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On Sun, 1 Oct 1995, Joe Pannon wrote:

> Re: Kornai's interpretation
>
> >I think you need to put "tellyes" together with "o haitas" to make
> >"o haitassal tellyes" -- wishful, full of desire so that it becomes
> >Revai Ersebet consoling her lord (who is) full of desire. I also
> >suspect it's not her (feudal) lord but her husband...
>
> That's how I read it, too: full of (lustful?) desire.  Though I don't
> quite get it why she had to console him about that, if you get my
> drift.
>
> Joe
>
I don't have the references handy, but I suspect that 'vigasztal' may
mean 'to make happy' -- vig --, instead of the current 'console'. Cf.
'vigad', which is, 'to have a good time, be (make) merry'; vigasztal is
merely the transitive form of the same thing, structurally.

Louis Elteto
+ - To Sandor: RE: MAgyar/Szekely Division (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I know I said I had seen them in Romania divided up like that, I assume
it was in explanation of voting in 1992 presidential elections, but I
checked my atlas of Romanian, and oddly enough ;-)
there is not a ethnic map to be found. Sorry to lead you on in this hunt.

Darren Purcell
Department of Geography
Florida State University
+ - Sinister plans -- to Tony (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

(Sinister plans -- to Tony)

        Dear Tony,

        of course you are right: the single largest reason for failures
is incompetence.  There is an added risk of such "benevolent failures"
with foreign investors who sometimes have no clue of the local environment.
(You could argue that with Hungarian investors there is a different type
of risk: their lack of business experience...)
        So I am not sniffing sinister plans everywhere.  I know that often
things just go wrong.  But I also know that there *are* sinister plans around,
and I wanted to call attention to them, because they occur frequently enough
to warrant an evaluation of prospective deals, buyouts, privatizations from
*this* point of view as well.  I am advocating reasonable care and
precaution.  --  By the way another well-known (and fairly frequently
occurring) variation on the same subject is to buy up promising inventions
in an early stage with the purpose of "sinking" them, in order to keep
the market for elder technologies.
        And again, while repeatedly stating that many privatizations are
"benevolent" and therefore have the potential to enhance the country's
economy, I wanted drive home the point, that there is nothing "parochial"
or "nationalistic" about looking at them very closely before striking a deal.
These charges are often aired by people who believe in (ultra)liberal
economic theories.  I think, they are missing part of the picture.

        Tamas Toth
+ - Re: (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I am in the process of putting together a contact list of professional
theatres in Hungary, contact names and numbers, as well as university
theatre programs in Hungary with corresponding names and numbers.  If
you have any information on such places in Hungary I would appreciate
you passing it on to me.  I'm trying to make as complete a list as possible.
Thank you in advance for your help.

Maria Kliavkoff


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