Laszlo Katkits > wrote:
>>
>>Don't put words into my mouth, please!  I was only referring to a
>>natural human tendency to favor its own kind.
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>What does the national identity to do with anything natural
>human?

That's funny to hear from somebody who feels so much kinship with all
those Jews supposedly killed by Hungarians.  I thought most of them were
killed in Auschwitz, but what do I know ...
In any case, if you can so identify with all those Jews, why should I
not identify with all those Hungarians (many of whom might actually be
Jews, BTW)?

>>...  From what I know, Hungarians are far more tolerant of
>>minorities than Jews of Israel are.   
>>
>Just let me tell you something: you don't know anything about
>tolerance, and just nothing about minorities in Israel. Do not
>speak about something you don't have any ideas about.

Really?  You mean to tell me that any news having to do with Jews or
Israel is no good unless it comes from or is approved by Jewish sources?  
Of course I knew this was the case regarding the Holocaust, but you seem 
to extending it a bit wider.  I hope it's just my misunderstanding.

>Killing hundreds of tousends of jews, serbs, roma: is this
>the tolerance you talk about? Thank you for that! 
>Just count how many jews were killed by Hungarians for
>not being Hungarians, and how many Hungarians were killed
>for not being jews! Then, and only then can you talk
>about tolerance to minorities!

Hundreds of thousands?  You mean they were ALL killed by Hungarians?
Tell me more.  I am always eager to learn.

> Being less restrictive against
>romans in Hungary then they are in Romania against Hungarians
>does not mean that Hungary is the exempel to follow.

Only more so than Israel, for instance.

>Or just a small mentioning that some of those you name as
>Hungarians, when it's convenient might be jews, makes you
>furious ? Your hate is just boiling, and you claim that
>you are tolerant? 

I think what we have here is you projecting your hate on me.
This should be pretty obvious to any 3rd party observer.

>>Since Israel is such a young country, I wonder myself how many Nobel
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>This was the joke of the year.

Let's see...  It's less than 50 years old.  Is that a joke?

>>What about Wallenberg?
>>
>Yes, what about him? You who know so much about it, don't you
>know that he was not acting by the Swedish government, but
>the US? He was not even a Swedish diplomat, just a secreterian.

I've heard and read about Wallenberg's American connections, but it's
news to me that all those Sweedish passports and safe houses were really
US operations.  You are actually justifying the Soviet capture of
Wallenberg with that statement, if you think of it.
 
>So please do not mix it with the Swedes mentality towards the jews!

I really don't care about the Swedes.  But based on your attitude toward
them, I wonder what you think of the US, which refused entry to that
famous ship loaded with European Jewish refugees in 1939.  Then failed
to bomb the railroads leading to Auschwitz or other KZ camps.

Apropos ...  If you dislike the Swedish attitude toward the Jews, what
are you doing there, anyway?  Why didn't you go straight to Israel from
Hungary? 

>>keep sniping at her all the time. 
>What do you mean? Specially _all the time_ ????

I just know from experience that people like you can only be happy if
they can throw some mud at Hungary.

>And do Csurka & Co.need more ammunition? Isn't it enough to
>be _A'rpa'dha'zi magyar_ to be better than all others on this earth?

Actually, I've never heard Hungarians considering thelmselves to be the
chosen people (and acting like it, too).  Have you?
BTW, very few of today's Hungarians could call themselves "Arpadhazi".

>When will the Hungarians leave this nationalistic crap? When will they
>ever learn?

Having lived half my life in the US, I am quite sure in saying that
Americans are far more nationalistic than Hungarians.  I think what you
call "nationalistic crap" in Hungary may be not much more than a
self-defense mechanism.  Have you looked around Hungary's neighborhood
lately?

>updated about what's happening around, and my old habit to reflect
>to steamy nationalism made me answer to your not quite fair
>logging of Nobel prize reciepients.

First of all, it wasn't me who posted that list of Hungarian Nobel Prize
winners.  Do you read at all what you respond to?

In closing let me reiterate what I already indicated earlier: it is the
type of hatred and venom you exhibit toward Hungary and Hungarians that
fuels antisemitism today more than anything inherent in non-Jewish
Hungarians.  You and Csurka were made for each other.

Joe Pannon

In article >,  says...
>
>Nguyen why are you so excited? Don't you know that people have 
>free speech? Homosexuals are not "gay"! They are sexually 
>disoriented, guilt ridden and need to renounce and repent of this 
>perversion so that they can receive eternal life from Jesus 
>Christ. Since I gather that from your name you are Vietnamese, 
>you probably do not know about Jesus. I suggest that you find a 
>copy of the Bible and read the Gospels (Good News) about who 
>Jesus is and what He has done for you.  I am glad that your note 
>appeared on this political forum so that I could give you this 
>good news that you can be saved from your perversion. Good Luck.
>Dan K.

If only someone could save you and those like you from your perversion.  The 
gay people I know are not sexually dioriented, not guilt ridden and happy 
with their lives.  Worry about you own eternal soul and leave others to find 
their own path in life.  Good Luck.

-- 
Joseph Kowalski            All that you touch, you change.
      All that you change, changes you.
                           The only lasting truth is change.
                           God is change.

In article >, "Dan K." > writes
:
|> Nguyen why are you so excited? Don't you know that people have 
|> free speech? Homosexuals are not "gay"! They are sexually 
|> disoriented, guilt ridden and need to renounce and repent of this 
|> perversion so that they can receive eternal life from Jesus 
|> Christ. Since I gather that from your name you are Vietnamese, 
|> you probably do not know about Jesus. I suggest that you find a 
|> copy of the Bible and read the Gospels (Good News) about who 
|> Jesus is and what He has done for you.  I am glad that your note 
|> appeared on this political forum so that I could give you this 
|> good news that you can be saved from your perversion. Good Luck.
|> Dan K.
Kool language, man.
We don't understand your points, sorry.
Anyway, we wonder if there is any chance for this article to reach its destiny.
..
Other wordz ITS A TEST
Pity U

In Article >, Nagy Daniel <s7030nag> wrote:
>Why do you all think, that all the People, who didn't accept the Putch in
>Beloviezh are expansionists, imperialists, anti-semites and so on.
>In my opinion, the so called "fall" of the Soviet Union wasn't an evolutounary
>process, and the PRESENT goverment of Russia has more reasons to be called a
>dictatorship or a reign of terror.
>No matter, I also hated the everyday soviet bureucracy, but as I see, this is
>not the product of the so-called communist system, it's older than 300 years
>(at least!), and survived the crach of th Soviet Union.
>So I'm not sympatizing to this Vorobieff, but please recall the days of the
>Union! Then was peace, some technical and scientific prosperity, Russia HAD a
>chance to  become a developed country. And look what we have now...
>No comments.
>                                         A Soviet patriot (nationality: Jewish
)
>


How can something this funny also be this sad?
No comments.
                                          A crazed fan (nationality: Jewish)
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In article >,
Laszlo Katkits > wrote:
>>A legkellemesebb pelda a Bokor Ur, aki az egesz magyar tarsadalmat
>>fajuldozonek nevezte (mint oly' szipen irta, hungarian society is
>
>Egy pillanat ! Itt en voltam megvadolva, hogy ocsarlok, Bokor urnak
>egyetlen szavaert sem vagyok felelos, nem is igen tudok felole semmit.
>Ezaltal abban sem tudok segiteni, hogy Teged mivel vadolhatott meg.

Ez esetben sorry, ugy ertettem, barmilyen peldat kerestel.

>>Te is irtad, hogy "...akiktol a magyarok megtagadtak
>>magyarsagtudatukat...". Ha
>>ennyire altalanositasz, akkor velemenyem szerint ocsarolsz.
>
>A magyarsagbol valo kitagadas pedig szinte kizarolag magyarok altal
>gyakoroltatik. Mutass ra ha tevedek !

Ez nyalvan igaz, de ugy erzem, ennek az ize olyan, mint amikor az Egyesult
Allamok kormaya a II VH alatt a Japan szarmazasu, de egyesult allamokbeli
polgarait internalta. Nyilvan amerikaiak vegeztek az internalast, de az
Egyesult Allamok kormanya nem feltetlenul kepvisel minden amerikait. Ilyesmi
tortent Ausztraliaban az ottani os-lakossaggal (nem tudom, mi a helyes szo, 
bennszulott?) az '50-es evekben, ha jol tudom.

>Elhiszem. Egy mar elobb emlitett pelda: Giordano Bruno-t sem a
>mostani pa'pa kuldte maglyara, megsem lenne helyen, ha buszkelkedne
>vele, hogy la'm milyen nagy filozofust nevelt ki az egyhaz.

Ez igaz is meg nem is, szerintem. Azert, mert egy elozo Papa elmebeteg volt,
nem feltetlen kovetkezik, hogy a jelenlegi is az, bar azt hiszem, van az
allitasodban igazsag.

Gabor