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+ - Re: Soros Foundation - Marshall Plan - (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

It would serve you well, Janos, to read the whole message and think
about it. Then read it again and think  about it again before you jump
in and make a fool out of yourself.

Janos Zsargo wrote:
>
> Kedves Amos,
>
> you wrote in your answer to J.Szalai:
>
> >   The Hungarians are whining because  they want to have the system when
> >they didn't have to pay the true price for things. The government did.It
> >was very nice to retire at 50, 55, or 60.  But what national economy can
> >pay for that? Besides, Hungarians have always whined, it is a habit.  We
> >hear about all the hardships,  of which there are  many to be sure,  but
                      -----------------------------------------------
> >how hard can it be when many  go abroad for vacations,  are building ex-
                           ----
> >pensive houses, and buy cars.  Please don't tell me that those are basic
> >necessities.  Budapest is burried under cars and stinks because of them.
> >Why does one need a car in Budapest is beyond me. Show off, that's why.
> >   So, please, don't tell us what supposed to be, tell us how to achieve
> >them.
>
> First, what are 'The Hungarians' and their whining habbit has to do with
> political or apolitical Marshall plan and all sort of BS you were discussing
> with Joe. Why did you have to involve the above comments into your post?
> Do you have any rational reason?!?

   You are becoming a bore, Janos. It is a BS to you, and the likes of
you in Hungary.  Any criticism is going to make you bend out of shape.
Don't you think it is  time to listen to others?  It is this arrogance
that hurts the country.  You know everything better then anybody else.
What you would like is  for us to throw money  at you and forget about
any expert advice.

>  I may be a little bit sensitive to this topic, but you know my
> family do not have car and live in a 'lakotelepi' apartment (if you
> know what it is), so they do not show off. Also I have to tell you that their
> situation is not quite unique, there are thousands of similar family in
> Hungary. True the Hungarians always whinned and it is ridicoulous but
> not more than the comments above.

   Your reaction doesn't reveal any sensitivity.  It reveals your lack
of understanding the language.  It is not  enough to learn  the words,
Janos, there is more to it. I have never said that the Zsargos do this
and that. Neither did I say that everybody does this and that.  In the
first part of  the above paragraph  you are whining,  then in the last
sentence you are accepting that I am right. Make up you mind, Janos!

                                                                Amos
+ - Re: Soros Foundation - Marshall Plan - (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Kedves Amos,

you wrote in your answer to J.Szalai:

>   The Hungarians are whining because  they want to have the system when
>they didn't have to pay the true price for things. The government did.It
>was very nice to retire at 50, 55, or 60.  But what national economy can
>pay for that? Besides, Hungarians have always whined, it is a habit.  We
>hear about all the hardships,  of which there are  many to be sure,  but
>how hard can it be when many  go abroad for vacations,  are building ex-
>pensive houses, and buy cars.  Please don't tell me that those are basic
>necessities.  Budapest is burried under cars and stinks because of them.
>Why does one need a car in Budapest is beyond me. Show off, that's why.
>   So, please, don't tell us what supposed to be, tell us how to achieve
>them.

First, what are 'The Hungarians' and their whining habbit has to do with
political or apolitical Marshall plan and all sort of BS you were discussing
with Joe. Why did you have to involve the above comments into your post?
Do you have any rational reason?!?
 I may be a little bit sensitive to this topic, but you know my
family do not have car and live in a 'lakotelepi' apartment (if you
know what it is), so they do not show off. Also I have to tell you that their
situation is not quite unique, there are thousands of similar family in
Hungary. True the Hungarians always whinned and it is ridicoulous but
not more than the comments above.

J.Zs
+ - Re: Soros Foundation - Marshall Plan - (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 09:40 PM 6/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At 01:47 PM 6/11/97 -0400, Charlie Vamossy wrote:
>
>>Good old Vlagyimir Iljics...  he'd be happy to know at least one person
>>still remembers him well enough to quote him.
>
>He'd be even happier if someone put him where his ideas are: into a grave.
>
>gabor D. Farkas
>
>
Amen....
+ - Re: Soros Foundation - Marshall Plan - (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 08:58 AM 6/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At 09:40 PM 6/11/97 -0400, Gabor Farkas wrote:
>
>>At 01:47 PM 6/11/97 -0400, Charlie Vamossy wrote:
>>
>>>Good old Vlagyimir Iljics...  he'd be happy to know at least one person
>>>still remembers him well enough to quote him.
>>
>>He'd be even happier if someone put him where his ideas are: into a grave.
>
>Why don't we just burn his books?
>
>Joe Szalai
>
>"There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not
>reading them."
>         --- Joseph Brodsky
>
>

Not reading Valgyimir Iljics' books would deprive one from having a full
appreciation for man's capacity for stupidity.


regards from New York

Charlie Vamossy
+ - Re: Soros Foundation - Marshall Plan - (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 08:14 PM 6/11/97 -0400, "Amos J. Danube" wrote:

>   Everybody is a true believer, the difference is only in degree. Yours
>is as far from reality, as possible.

Thank you.  I take that as a compliment.

<snip>
>   I am pro human rights, pro economic fairness,pro democracy,pro social
>safety nets,  and all those things.  The difference is that I managed to
>ask,as most people do,the next question in my late teens/early twenties.
>Who is going to pay for all these?

Oh yes!!  I am quite mindless, really.  It never occured to me that someone
will have to pay.  How silly of me!

>There are not enough "rich" folks to
>tax in order to cover the expenses.And if you over-tax the corporations,
>they go out of business

The poor babies!

> - and guess who will suffer? Those people who'll
>be unemployed.Some left leaning folks just have problems making the next
>step. It is nice to be idealistic, but not when reality is in your face.

Whose reality?  The only reality I see is that you've conceded defeat.
The multi-national corporations, and their minions in the media, have
convinced you that struggle is pointless.  And if you believe that, then
it truly is.

>   The Hungarians are whining because  they want to have the system when
>they didn't have to pay the true price for things. The government did.It
>was very nice to retire at 50, 55, or 60.  But what national economy can
>pay for that? Besides, Hungarians have always whined, it is a habit.  We
>hear about all the hardships,  of which there are  many to be sure,  but
>how hard can it be when many  go abroad for vacations,  are building ex-
>pensive houses, and buy cars.  Please don't tell me that those are basic
>necessities.  Budapest is burried under cars and stinks because of them.
>Why does one need a car in Budapest is beyond me. Show off, that's why.

Oh, yes!  There are hardships in Hungary AND they are caused by too many
cars, vacations, and expensive homes.  What a novel interpretation of
reality.  Are you sure you aren't getting too much sun in your retirement,
Amos?

>   So, please, don't tell us what supposed to be, tell us how to achieve
>them.

It is not up to me to tell you how to achieve them.  That's not the kind of
politics that interest me.  If you cared about the social and economic
issues, that you say you care about, then stop relying on pat, right wing,
answers to issues that are raised.

Joe Szalai

"Let us understand: North Vietnam cannot defeat or humiliate the United
States. Only Americans can do that."
           --- Richard M. Nixon
+ - Re: Soros Foundation - Marshall Plan - (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 09:40 PM 6/11/97 -0400, Gabor Farkas wrote:

>At 01:47 PM 6/11/97 -0400, Charlie Vamossy wrote:
>
>>Good old Vlagyimir Iljics...  he'd be happy to know at least one person
>>still remembers him well enough to quote him.
>
>He'd be even happier if someone put him where his ideas are: into a grave.

Why don't we just burn his books?

Joe Szalai

"There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not
reading them."
         --- Joseph Brodsky
+ - Re: Soros Foundation - Marshall Plan - (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 10:11 PM 6/11/97 -0300, Aniko Dunford wrote:

<snip>
>Thanks Amos ... second your thoughts.... all of them ....
>
>Seems that many amongst us, fail to realize and/or actually accept such
>... (sorry Joe) ...

So, you agree with Amos that Hungarians are whiners.  Do you also engage in
blaming the victim in other areas?

Joe Szalai
+ - Re: Soros Foundation - Marshall Plan - (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

At 01:47 PM 6/11/97 -0400, Charles Mikecz Vamossy wrote:

>At 09:20 AM 6/11/97 -0400, you wrote:

<snip>
>>You are religious in your devotion to Americana and your views on history
>>are black and white, and Orwellian.  It's simplicity must offer you a lot
>>of comfort.  Unfortunately, insight, is a totally different horse.
>>
>>Joe Szalai
>>
>
>Huh?

Exactly!

Joe Szalai

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