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1 Re: Southern Slovakia in 1938-1945 (mind)  62 sor     (cikkei)
2 Re: Southern Slovakia in 1938-1945 (mind)  16 sor     (cikkei)
3 Re: to adriano in taiwan (mind)  24 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: Where do we come from? (mind)  6 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: to adriano in taiwan (mind)  29 sor     (cikkei)
6 Price of potato (mind)  35 sor     (cikkei)
7 Foreign investments (mind)  24 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: Southern Slovakia in 1938-1945 (mind)  15 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: Southern Slovakia in 1938-1945 (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Joe Pannon wrote:

> Jozef Simek  > wrote:
>
> >I appologize I write this to Hungarian e-mail list but someone
> >of you wrote about Southern Slovakia (Someone talks 'UPPER LAND')
[deleted]

> No need to apologize, Jozef; anybody is free to write to the list,
> especially if it is related to Hungary somehow.

Thank you. :-)

> What's the problem calling "Upper Lands" ("Felvidek", in Hungarian) what
> is also called Slovakia today?  The former terminology is used usually
> in context of greater Hungary when talking about the pre-WW II times, or
> the 1938-45 period when most or parts of today's Slovakia belonged to the
> Hungarian Kingdom.  Then it was the normal Hungarian designation of
> Hungary in Hungarian while "Slovensko" meant the same thing in Slovak.
> So what's the big deal?  Do you call the capital of Austria "Wien" in
> Slovak?

O.K., Joe. "Upper land" /"Felvidek" is the same right as some Slovaks tell
"Lower land"/"Dolna zem" for Hungary.

> Now about this Tilkovszky fella' ...
> Could you tell us some details about him?  Is he a known historian or is
> he also some engineer or mathematician?  I know, his name sounds kinda'
> magyarized Slovak, but that means nothing really.

I could not tell more than Eva B. about him. He was from Institute of
History of Magyar Academy of Sciences.

> Regardless, you deserve a praise for the tremendous amount of effort you
> put into translating it, considering the command of English you have
> shown on the Slovak list.  If you did not say you did it, I would have
> sworn that it was Tony's handywork.

Joe, thank you for evaluation of my knowledge of English :-).
Tony has not time for translation of its. And it was 'my' article (I found it) 
a
nd
thus I had to translate it. And one my friend corrected me.
Sorry, he did not see to 'literature' on the end of article and
thus you can find '?' (question mark) there. It is there when I
was not sure with English words.

> So thanks again, Jozo, and I'm sure that most Hungarians are now duly
> ashamed after reading your post.

Really?
When I am ready with next part of its I will post it there.

> Another Jozo,
> better known here as
> Joe
>

Best regards - Joe/Jozo.

Jozef Simek

+ - Re: Southern Slovakia in 1938-1945 (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Jozef Simek wrote:

>O.K., Joe. "Upper land" /"Felvidek" is the same right as some Slovaks tell
>"Lower land"/"Dolna zem" for Hungary.

Sure thing, Jozef.  Feel free to do that when discussing any time period
when that part of Hungary belonged to Slovakia.
What's fair is fair!

>When I am ready with next part of its I will post it there.

It will make my day.

>Best regards - Joe/Jozo.

Same here.
+ - Re: to adriano in taiwan (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

My reply function works only for the list, my heading is not
set to contain the individual correspondent's address, if
you don't mind private response, include your e-mail
address in the text.


>
> take a look if you want
> to
> rationality and action ed. by paul k moser
> or by any of the papers inthe collected works of ken arrow.
> the arriow's theorem is presented in any elementary textbook on welfare
> economics or anything else that has to do with choice theory. please
> notice that if you can reach me there obviously is an email address in my
> post.
> you reach anytime with any reply fucntion
>
>
> > > NATIONAL CHUNG CHENG UNIVERSITY
> > > 160, San-Hsing, Ming-Hsiung,
> > > Chia-Yi 621 TAIWAN, R.O.C.
> > > off.ph#+886 5 242-8181
> > > FAX#   +886 5 272-1203
> >
+ - Re: Where do we come from? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Thanks for the clear information. I was very skeptical about
this newspaper article. It is annoying, that any research
can now be discredited, if it gets the label of have being done
"under Russian influence". It was clear, that the news reporter
was convinced about this "new" result.

+ - Re: to adriano in taiwan (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

you can use anytime

best
>
> My reply function works only for the list, my heading is not
> set to contain the individual correspondent's address, if
> you don't mind private response, include your e-mail
> address in the text.
> 
>
> >
> > take a look if you want
> > to
> > rationality and action ed. by paul k moser
> > or by any of the papers inthe collected works of ken arrow.
> > the arriow's theorem is presented in any elementary textbook on welfare
> > economics or anything else that has to do with choice theory. please
> > notice that if you can reach me there obviously is an email address in my
> > post.
> > you reach anytime with any reply fucntion
> >
> >
> > > > NATIONAL CHUNG CHENG UNIVERSITY
> > > > 160, San-Hsing, Ming-Hsiung,
> > > > Chia-Yi 621 TAIWAN, R.O.C.
> > > > off.ph#+886 5 242-8181
> > > > FAX#   +886 5 272-1203
> > >
>
+ - Price of potato (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Today the price of potatoes in Hungary is three times what it was last
September. Actually it is as expensive as oranges. Newspapers are full of
questions concerning the price increase. The Nap-TV actually asked the Ministr
y of Agriculture: Why is potato so expensive? The explanation was quite
confused: farmers sold too much of it in September and October and sold it
too cheaply mostly because they don't have room to hold it over the winter.
People bought too much of the stuff and therefore ate too much of it.  Hence,
not enough potatoes today. But the journalist of the paper *Vasarnap* didn't
really believe all this. He was certain that the maffia was responsible for
the rise in price. Such economic terms as supply and demand didn't enter into
the discussion.

The question of the price of potato didn't stop here. The minister (La1szlo1
Lakos) himself was questioned who steadfastly maintained that the amount of
potato grown in the country in 1994 is exactly the same as in 1993 but there
is a nationwide conspiracy which is responsible for the rising price of the
staple. When pressed who are behind this "conspiracy" he refused to name
names.

According to HVG the fact is that, contrary to La1szlo Lakos's claim, the
amount of potato grown last year is significantly less than a year before.
Moreover, while the protective tariff on potato was 10% in 1993, as of
January 1995 the same tariff is %50.7. Therefore, very little potato has been
imported this year. The very dry summer of last year also added to the
shortage. Therefore, if the minister were right, the "conspiracy" must be
international because there is also shortage in the Czech Republic, in
Slovakia, and in Romania.

HVG claims that today there is no way of ascertaining exactly how much of
anything was grown in the country and this fact "helps the government to
blame the shortage on hoarding and on speculation." This is another excellent
example of this government's incompetence, anti-market attitudes, and, let's
add, its demagoguery. Here is an expert for you.

Eva Balogh
+ - Foreign investments (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

There might be little popular enthusiasm for foreign investment in Hungary
but let us repeat it again: this is the only way to advance Hungary's
economic growth. There is not enough domestic capital and therefore there is
no other way. Perhaps within a few years, thanks to these foreign investment,
there will be enough domestic capital accumulation and Hungarian
enterpreneurs will be able to buy out some of these foreign companies.

As for whether popular opinion will have any influence on decisions
concerning foreign investment, the answer is no and it shouldn't. Just
because the population views something in a certain light it doesn't mean
that the population is right. There has been decades of indoctrination
against foreign investment describing it in terms of loss of national
sovereignty. Xenophobia is not unique to Hungary, by the way. If I recall
there was quite a bit of outcry against Japanese investments in the the
United States. In Hungary, for example, historians in the 1960s and 1970s
talked about a possible French purchase of the Hungarian railways
(contemplated in 1920) as the practical abdication of Hungarian independence.
Hungarian Marxist historians practically called Bethlen a traitor because he
negotiated a foreign loan in 1922. They also claimed that the loan was
actually unnecessary. And one could go on and on. This was all historical
hogwosh but it spread speedily into the media and then into popular consciousn
ess. It's time to educate the Hungarian public on matters of economics.

Eva Balogh
+ - Re: Southern Slovakia in 1938-1945 (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article > Jozef Simek,
 writes:
>Joe Pannon wrote:

>> Now about this Tilkovszky fella' ...
>> Could you tell us some details about him?  Is he a known
historian or is
>> he also some engineer or mathematician?  I know, his name sounds
kinda'
>> magyarized Slovak,


what was petofi's name before it was changed?

d.a.

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