In article  >,  (George
Szaszvari) wrote:
> In article  >,
 (T.M.Lutas) says:
>
> >What I see and I worry about is the tendency of some hungarian irredentists
> >to try separating our two communities as a prelude to carving up Romania.
> >As long as this is avoided then have all the hungarian language instruction
> >you want.
>
> May I suggest that less paranoia over irredentists and more attention
> with getting Romania on its feet as an economically rich and culturally
> diverse and happy place would be much more beneficial to ALL concerned?
> To keep going on about Hungarians and the problems they're supposedly
> causing in Romania smacks of using them as an alibi for the shortcomings
> of the people who might otherwise be getting their own act together.
I'm actually a very busy activist. The hungarian stuff I try to do as
little as possible since I agree, it shouldn't be the central issue of
any ideology (take that PUNR, PRM, UDMR). It's just that when the issue
pops up I can't seem to hold myself back too well.
DB
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On 30 Apr 1996 18:13:55 GMT some brave "%FNAME%"  > wrote:
>Read a realtively newly published book "Free to Hate", the chapter on Romania,
entitled
>"Anti-Semitism Without Jews". The issue is much larger. Romanians have been
rather harsh on
>minorities because they could get away with it.
I honestly don't know how can you document this broad statements.
(Besides, of course, the so convenient CVT and Funar puppets that
have been already too much talked about.)
Anyway, this is not the reason behind my reply, but your funny
attitude towards the whole point, which, maybe you forgot, was
language and cultural identity preservation vs. economic well-being.
>Let's take for example the Ottoman occupation.
>It is during this time that the famous saying "The head that bows, the spade c
uts not"
>They couldn't even start their own revolution for God's sake. They had to pig
gyback on Tokes'
>supporters. Funny, how another Romanian proverb comes to mind "Once the war i
s over, many
>heroes show up"
For you important is not the cultural formation of generations to come,
but rather the opportunity to look down on people you don't know, maybe
just because some ancestor of yours happened to be badly treated there.
But the way you do it resembles the "second quality people" theory.
You're saying that Romanians not only cannot keep their heads up,
they are also coward and ready to flaunt with somebody else's work...etc.
That, Sir, is pure idiot nazi ideology.
Your brush is a thousand miles wide and 0 mm deep.
For you important is not that not only hungarians were around Laszlo Tokes'
house, but the opportunity to claim that romanians always got everything
for free.
(I'm not 100% sure I got it right, correct me if I'm wrong, this is one kind
of a muddy and visceral way of thinking that I am not quite used with ).
Skipping the "historical arguments", we can get to the final gem:
>Thr truth is that Romania never deserved Transylvania, the political manipulat
ion of which
>merely had to do with the fact the Romania switched sides during the war, as a
lways eager tp
>side with winners regardless of the moral implications. I do wish all Hungari
ans that
>Transylvania will someday enjoy the status they desire. No I am not Hungarian
, I am also not
>Romanian, I was merely born there. My ethnic roots go back many thousands of
years.
You, Mr. Liptak, Funar and the rest of the gang live with a big confusion under
you skulls:
You believe that Transilvania is some piece of meat and somebody asked you to
award it (to whom it might cross your mind it was more disciplined).
Sad, but it isn't.
Neither it is some sum of money or some asset that any of you are entitled to
distribute amongst the most merituous.
It simply is a piece of land belonging to the people living on it.
The way you think, Sir, is 100 years old, if not more.
It takes more than covering yourself with the polished libertarian vocabullary,
if you want to waste somebody's time and energy.
So much of my own time.
P.S. I could offer you a dull yet stress relieving alternative to
the geopolitical activities nobody asked you to perform:
Grab a map of Romania, (almost any bookstore will carry it, but make sure
it's not of the italian province Romagna) and at night, in silence,
no need to hurry, take a pair of scissors and cut off as much as you want.
It's yours. Forever.
Variations including glue, neighbour countries' maps or various songs and
hymns are also permitted.
Wash your hands after that.
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In article  >,  (George
Szaszvari) wrote:
> In article  >,
 (T.M.Lutas) says:
>
> >What I see and I worry about is the tendency of some hungarian irredentists
> >to try separating our two communities as a prelude to carving up Romania.
> >As long as this is avoided then have all the hungarian language instruction
> >you want.
>
> May I suggest that less paranoia over irredentists and more attention
> with getting Romania on its feet as an economically rich and culturally
> diverse and happy place would be much more beneficial to ALL concerned?
> To keep going on about Hungarians and the problems they're supposedly
> causing in Romania smacks of using them as an alibi for the shortcomings
> of the people who might otherwise be getting their own act together.
I'm actually a very busy activist. The hungarian stuff I try to do as
little as possible since I agree, it shouldn't be the central issue of
any ideology (take that PUNR, PRM, UDMR). It's just that when the issue
pops up I can't seem to hold myself back too well.
DB
--
Now available on the Romanian Political Pages
The only net copy of the Romanian constitution in Romanian
http://haven.ios.com/~dbrutus
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Gyorgy Kovacs  > wrote:
>
>I was laughing my otherwise small butt off when I realized that he just did
>that. He even flames his supporters! Now that's creative. Joe at least has
>brains and original thoughts, and even though he criticises me in this game,
>I have a lot of respect for him.
Why thank you! ;-)
On the other hand, your problem with him started out pretty innocently
when you could not cut some slack for Wally's notorious habit of
engaging in word plays. By protesting, you only opened yourself for an
easy target. It wouldn't hurt if people did not take themselves all
that seriously ...
Hey, I think Goober should appreciate that great "hit" of Brigi, the
"Bland Gland". I wish I could have come up with that. ;-)
Joe
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