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1995-05-17
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1 Re: Szia Hunglish! (mind)  7 sor     (cikkei)
2 Re: Szia Hunglish! (mind)  24 sor     (cikkei)
3 ?? (mind)  7 sor     (cikkei)
4 Hunglish again (mind)  15 sor     (cikkei)
5 Israel (mind)  10 sor     (cikkei)
6 The "Szia - Szervusz" Debate (mind)  7 sor     (cikkei)
7 Washington, D.C - Reception (mind)  25 sor     (cikkei)
8 Hunglish (mind)  25 sor     (cikkei)
9 Re: The "Szia - Szervusz" Debate (mind)  15 sor     (cikkei)
10 Israel and Europe (mind)  11 sor     (cikkei)
11 Washington, D.C. - Exhibition (May 25-28) (mind)  14 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: Szia Hunglish! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

What about starting a library of list of words which
have so far no good translation in one of the
languages?  At the moment I cannot think a good
Hungarian word for " subtle"  and " to cope".
"Kedves"  has no translation to my satisfaction into
English... I suppose there are such dictionaries about?

+ - Re: Szia Hunglish! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Mar beszeltunk korabban a bogotemetesrol es annak a szovegerol, amit
amerikaban szuletett magyarok irtak le, jut eszembe, hogy az is a
HUNGLISH egyik formaja.

cigany = csigany
Ennyit errol.
Udv.
Arjun Sabharwal
The University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
Department of Music History-Musicology




On Tue, 16 May 1995, Eva Durant wrote:

> What about starting a library of list of words which
> have so far no good translation in one of the
> languages?  At the moment I cannot think a good
> Hungarian word for " subtle"  and " to cope".
> "Kedves"  has no translation to my satisfaction into
> English... I suppose there are such dictionaries about?
> 
>
+ - ?? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Could someone answer me one small question. Why is Israel regared
to be in Europe? And why if the definition of "Semite" is that "it is the
race of people incorporating the Arabs and the Jewish" that Jews are not
accused of being antisemitic with respect to the Arabs?


Karcsi
+ - Hunglish again (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

To Komives @ al.: I am sorry, but your linguist friend was wrong. Here
are the definitions (abbreviated) given in David Crystal's 'A dictionary
of linguistics and phonetics': PIDGIN - a language with reduced grammar,
lexicon (etc.) which is the native language of no one.  Pidgins are
formed by two speech communities attempting to communicate, each
successively approximating to the more obvious features of the other's
language. Pidgins become CREOLised when they become the mother
tongue of the community. The process of creolisation expands the
structural and stylistic range of the pidginised language...
        In other words, pidgins are impoverished languages, used by
different language communities as a compromise for communication. This is
not true of Hunglish. And, to repeat myself, Hunglish is ad hoc, it does
not even have the potential to develop norms. It is definitely not a
candidate for creolisation.
                Sziasztok!              R
+ - Israel (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Karcsi wrote
 Could someone answer me one small question. Why is Israel regared
to be in Europe? And why if the definition of "Semite" is that "it is the
race of people incorporating the Arabs and the Jewish" that Jews are not
accused of being antisemitic with respect to the Arabs?

Israel is not in Europe but in the Middle East (Asia). Semites are a group of
Israel but not a race. Some of the Jews in Israel are racist, but not all
of them. Some of the Hungarians are anti-Semites but most of them are not.
Peter I. Hidas, Montreal
+ - The "Szia - Szervusz" Debate (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Regarding the recent assertion that "Szervusz" may have derived from the
Latin "Servus"; although not nearly as commonly used as in Hungarian,
"Serwus" can be heard among older generations of Poles as a greeting,
implying (to me, anyway) that indeed the term is of Latin origin.

                            - Tomek Jankowski
                            
+ - Washington, D.C - Reception (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Csaba Szabo has been the organizer of the cultural events - including
the chamber music series -  at the Hungarian Embassy for the past several
years, with great success.
He, together with several other Hungarian diplomats in the USA, has been
recalled from its post by the Horn government, and will be leaving to
Hungary in June.


*  7:00 PM  05/26/95                    RECEPTION
****************************************
A reception to bid farewell to
Counselor Csaba Szabo' and Emese Kova'cs
and to meet his successor
Counselor Ja'nos Dadi and Mrs A'gnes Dadi

 Embassy of the Republic of Hungary.
 2950 Spring of Freedom Street, N.W.
 Washington, D.C.

R.S.V.P. (202) 362-6730 ( Acceptances only! )

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+ - Hunglish (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

 (whose surname sounds like a Hungarian
mason to me) asks about the "cleaning up" of Hungarian.  I suspect I
introduced "language renewal" ("nyelvu'jita's") into this discussion:

the topic has a considerable literature (probably all in Hungarian),
which is not at my disposal, but basically -- as I recall -- the people
most concerned with language use, poets, writers and their circle of
friends, started getting worried from the late 18th century that, what
with Josephine (Joseph II that is, not Napoleon's wife) striving for
linguistic homogenisation of all Habsburg lands, which meant using
German, Hungarian was at risk.  So, they started writing, and
publishing, and arguing, and got the literate classes to go along with
them.  All of this eventually led to the founding of the Academy of
Sciences (Tudoma'nyos Akade'mia), which then started codifying things.
Meanwhile new Hungarian words were made up for new concepts as they
emerged (e.g. "vasut" - "iron road" - "chemin de fer"), and the public
on the whole took to this form of evolution -- whose results, of course,
made it into school text books, etc.

NB: German did similar things in the 19th c: not for them eg. "hydrogen"
when it could be rendered as "Wasserstoff", "oxygen" as "Brennstoff",
etc; the French are still doing it with e.g. "ordinateur", "logiciel",
etc.  Not all languages are as keenly absorptive as English.

Stephen Palffy
+ - Re: The "Szia - Szervusz" Debate (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On Tue, 16 May 1995, Tomek Jankowski wrote:

> Regarding the recent assertion that "Szervusz" may have derived from the
> Latin "Servus"; although not nearly as commonly used as in Hungarian,
> "Serwus" can be heard among older generations of Poles as a greeting,
> implying (to me, anyway) that indeed the term is of Latin origin.
>
There is no question as to the Latin origin. The geographic distribution
of this greeting is interesting - it seems to have been (and to be) used
chiefly in the former Habsburg lands. You hear it in Austria, Hungary,
Slovakia, the Czech Republic, in Croatia, and in the Transylvanian part
of Romania. Unless I miss my guess, the older Polish generation T.J.
refers to comes from the formerly Austrian part of Poland. Am I right?

L. Elteto
+ - Israel and Europe (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

It is true that Israel is "part of Europe".  This came about
to circumvent the Arab boycott of Israel. Israel is a member of
all, or most,  international  organizations as it  were part of
Europe. This way Israel can participate in all those organizat-
ions, including sports.
   The other part of  the question I'll leave  to somebody more
knowlegable then me.
   Keep up the fascinating discussion  on the question of Hung-
lish - and other "lish".

                          Amos
+ - Washington, D.C. - Exhibition (May 25-28) (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

* 6:00 PM  05/25/95                     EXHIBITION AND RECEPTION
****************************************
Reception and opening of the exhibition of

SCULPTURES AND INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH LANSCAPES
          by Janos Enyedi

The artist will be present from 6pm - 9pm.

 Embassy of the Republic of Hungary.
 2950 Spring of Freedom Street, N.W.
 Washington, D.C.

R.S.V.P. (202) 362-6730

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