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1995-02-25
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Megrendelés Lemondás
1 Re: SCM reorganization?! (mind)  21 sor     (cikkei)
2 Sorry to ask .... (mind)  2 sor     (cikkei)
3 Re: HIX and moderation (mind)  13 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: SCM reorganization?! (mind)  36 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: SCM reorganization?! (mind)  17 sor     (cikkei)
6 Re: HIX and moderation (mind)  31 sor     (cikkei)
7 penpals (mind)  14 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: SCM reorganization?! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

> In other words - cenzorship. In my oppinion, no moderated group should bear
> the soc.culture.magyar/hungarian name, even if it is a fourth level group.
> Did not we have enough of cenzorship, moderation during the past years?
>
> Steve, > writes:
> >I think we should be open to other Hungarian subgroups and topics because
> >if we don't, we will get bogged down often times searching through useless
> >information that does not pertain to our interests.
> >
> >Csak be akartam dobni a velemenyemet.
> >
> >Elore kell gondolni mert az Internet gyorsaban fog noni a kozeli jovobe.
>
> Agreed Steve, although under the circumstances I mentioned earlier -
absolutely
> no moderation.

I agree. Moderation is out of the question.

--
Steve/Istvan/Pityu
+ - Sorry to ask .... (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

but my address changed from  to ,
and Listserv won't let me sign off. Could the listowner remove me? Thanks.
+ - Re: HIX and moderation (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

This reorganizing business made me think. It seems to me  that if we want
people come  over from, say HIX,  to Usenet, we  should create  space for
them. The first thing  is clearly to have  a newsgroup for Hungarians, in
Hungarian. Thus I  would strongly support creating soc.culture.hungarian,
so  that the traffic  from s.c.m could be moved  to there. Dividing s.c.m
into fourth level hierarchies can be done afterwards,  if there is enough
traffic on s.c.m.

Comments?

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+ - Re: SCM reorganization?! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Dear Gotthard,
> I have to agree with most af the things you wrote. Although, if you rephrase
> it carefully, we might get the soc.culture.hungary group, and can still keep
> the soc.culture.magyar.
 Well, we *might* get it - on the other hand getting the renaming is almost
guaranteed. Assuming we would want to take the risk (which I don't like
given the pressing need I feel for .hungar{ian|y}) the question is whether
it's a good idea to have s.c.h and s.c.m together. When I first though of it
I actually wanted to reorganize that way, separating based on discussion
language. However thinking it over now it seems to me that it would be
better to have one, mixed-language group.

> If you take a look at some of the groups, e.g.  -
> soc.culture.jewish
> soc.culture.jewish.holocaust
> soc.culture.israel
> , we can also assign soc.culture.magyar to the Hungarian people and
> their history,living all around the world - 10+5 million of them, and
> soc.culture.hungary to Hungary,
> its people, nationalities, neighbours, current issues etc.

 But the jewish/israeli dichotomy is the only such thing in s.c.*, and it's
related to the unique meaning of 'jewish' which is not only a people but a
religion as well. Most jewish are not israeli but a hungarian is a hungarian
is a hungarian. Your categorization above shows how difficult to delineate,
even in theory, what would belong in s.c.m and what in s.c.h, for "the
Hungarian people" is the same as "its [Hungary's] people", their history
would be discussed together with their country's, current issues involve the
10+5 million etc. Experience has shown how often discussion is meandering
between topics initially concerning either only people in Hungary or abroad.
If you can find some good phrasing I may include it as an alternative
into the RFD, but I doubt that such separation would achieve your goal -
or any goal for that matter since most posters are likely to use either
or both randomly.

-- Zoli 
+ - Re: SCM reorganization?! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Steve,
> I think we should be open to other Hungarian subgroups and topics because
> if we don't, we will get bogged down often times searching through useless
> information that does not pertain to our interests.
 IMHO that's one of the reasons it's worth making HIX an organic part of
Usenet (instead of the appendix it is now due to the unidirectional
traffic): it's relatively well organized into lists organized around
different interests, plus it's stored in a searchable archive.

> Moderation is out of the question.
 Oops, so you're not open to already existing and well-operating subgroups
just because disapproving the moderation their users find useful?! Remember
that moderation serves to cut down the volume of useless information non-
moderated fora usually has to cope (quite often unsuccessfully).
 And a reminder: only a small fraction of HIX is, of .hix would be moderated!

-- Zoli 
+ - Re: HIX and moderation (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

If I understood this right, then you're suggesting to keep s.c.m for
English language discussion and moving the Hungarian language traffic to
s.c.h?! Seems to me a recipe for utter confusion. In any case, the lack
of Hungarian language traffic cannot be attributed to the lack of "space"
since that's already there in s.c.m.
 One major problem is that many HIX contributors, in particular many in
Hungary, don't have Usenet only email access. My suggestion is to bridge
that community with the better-endowed part of the Universe with Usenet
access - and the means to achieve that is to create a bidirectionally
gatewayed group.

-- Zoli 

On Fri, 24 Feb 1995, Gabor J.Toth wrote:

> This reorganizing business made me think. It seems to me  that if we want
> people come  over from, say HIX,  to Usenet, we  should create  space for
> them. The first thing  is clearly to have  a newsgroup for Hungarians, in
> Hungarian. Thus I  would strongly support creating soc.culture.hungarian,
> so  that the traffic  from s.c.m could be moved  to there. Dividing s.c.m
> into fourth level hierarchies can be done afterwards,  if there is enough
> traffic on s.c.m.
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> Comments?
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+ - penpals (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I am going to start writing in about a month on what I hope will
be a novel with part of the storyline taking place in Hungary.  I seek a
penpals who can help guide me in certain facets of Hungarian culture,
people, landmarks, geography, etc. who I can correspond to on a one to one
basis.  I would prefer a female penpal because I will need a woman's
perspective in my writing.  However, I do not seek romance.

        I am writing to the list instead of soc.culture.magyar because I
would also like to reach those potential penpals who may not be
knowledgable about USENET news and the internet.  My first thoughts on this
is if I could perhaps place and ad in the bigger newspapers in Hungary
soliciting these potential penpals.  Or perhaps other forums in which
these potential penpals could be reached.  I would welcome any advice the
list has to offer on this subject.

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