||Re: [Jeliko: Re: Romani Slavery] (mind)
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||Re: Restraint Please (mind)
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||Re: Gypsies/Hungarians (mind)
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||Re: Neszvadba, as surname (mind)
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||Michal Kovac (mind)
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||daughter names and millenium names (mind)
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|+ - ||Re: [Jeliko: Re: Romani Slavery] (mind)
Apparently, it was a posthumous autobiography.
Thanks for the info.
> Jeliko writes:
> >There maybe a problem with the referenced Kogalniceanu date, if I recall
> >correctly he published his autobiography in 1916, thus he would have
> >rather young in 1837, but I do not know his birthdate.
> According to the Library of Congress M. Kogalniceanu was born in 1817
> and died in 1891. Unless there is another Kogalniceanu, the quoted
> date of the book appears to be plausible.
> CSABA K. ZOLTANI
|+ - ||Re: Restraint Please (mind)
I have to agree with Paul here. While these holiday greetings may not be
very "useful," it is a nice sentiment. Those who don't wish to read the
messages can delete them.
Boldog U'j E'vet!
|+ - ||Re: Gypsies/Hungarians (mind)
I can't understand how wanting to keep foreigners out is preserving
multiculturalism. Actually, in my original posting I guess I shouldn't
have said that it seems to me socially acceptable to hold "racist" views
in Hungary, but rather that it does seem to me to hold less shock value to
say something against another ethnic group in Hungary than in the US.
Actually, I agree with you that Hungary can ill afford immigrants at
this point, when it is struggling to provide for its own people. One
thing that really worried me, however, given my experience with Hungarian
teenagers, is how easily anti-Semitic, anti-Gypsy, anti-Romanian hate
rhetoric seemed to be accepted. It's certainly not everyone who holds
these view, but I do see a trend forming in that region, probably due to
economic problems. It seems that, just as here in the US, sometimes
people are looking for a scapegoat on whom to blame their economic woes.
|+ - ||Re: Neszvadba, as surname (mind)
Regarding the surname Neszvadba:
Though I'm perfectly happy to be corrected (ever notice how easy it is to be
dogmatic when you don't know what you're talking about?), I don't think the
surname "Neszvadba" is from a location.
It's most likely Slavic in origin (there's a reasonably well-known Czech author
of science fiction named Josef Nesvadba, for example, which would be pronounced
exactly like the Hungarian Neszvadba).
Names in the negative form aren't uncommon (Nechleba, Nejezchleba, etc.) so
Nesvadba sounds to me like one of those. Maybe there's a relation to the word
for "wedding", "svatba" which would be pronounced almost identically, since
the "b" is voiced.
Sorry, Gabor (on another topic) I haven't been able to undertake comparative
salad research yet, though I'm keeping the question in mind!).
|+ - ||Michal Kovac (mind)
Something that strikes me as interesting is the OMRI report on the Slovak
president's address on New Year's Day. He "called on the coalition to be
tolerant of its critics". He said,"Suppressing critics, calling them traitors
or enemies, is considered the first step to a totalitarian regime". Kovac
called 1995 a "year of political retaliation".
Well, folks, it seems that Kovac (is it possible that he has some Magyar in
him, with that name?) is pretty sympathetic to the situation at hand.
Considering the fact that we (those of us who weren't chicken shit) bombarded
his fax machine with pleas not to sign that ridiculous language law, it's seems
that he's maybe starting to see things in a more realistic light and not in
this pompous jack-ass "get over it" or "wait till we're in the EU" line of
thinking that many preach on this list. If 1995 was the year of "political
retaliation", as Michal Kovac put it, then 1996, hopefully, will be the year of
POLITICAL CHANGE. This can only be done so by each and everyone on this list
and anyone with enough common sense to see that this Meciar is not all that
he's cracked up to be and is certainly not someone we'd like to deal with.
Don't believe me??
Well maybe this will change your minds:
Here is a double edged statement made by Vladimir Meciar made in Congress on
April 6th 1995 (right after the bilateral agreement was signed):
I quote,".....In a short time, a control of the teaching of the Slovak language
in Hungarian schools in the Slovak Republic will be implemented, and also
controlled, how they (the Hungarians) teach the love of the country....."
Now tell me that this is the kind of thinking that deserves an open door to the
EU?? I think not, folks.
So, basically, any kind of minority autonomy can only be established by the
concord of the majority, expressed by the Parliment's (whether it be Romania's
or Slovakia's) "for" vote of majoritarian deputies. It doesn't take a rocket
scientist to figure out in Romania and in Slovakia the majority will is not for
Hungarian cultural, educational, spiritual, or territorial autonomy, as
expressed by the current language law.
All I've got to say is: WAKE UP folks!!! Wake up!!!!
john_czifra @ shi.com
"Had there not been a magnificent toughness in the magyar spirit, the race
would have collapsed." Herbert Hoover, President of the USA (1929-1933)
|+ - ||daughter names and millenium names (mind)
I've been looking through my copy of Stephen Sisa's book on Hungarian
History,"The Spirit of Hungary" for some ideas on names for my wife and I's
baby to be born this year. History seems to be a chauvanistic
location to find ideas. I've found far fewer female figures featured
there than the many men considered important.
CAN ANYONE PLEASE ADD ANY NOTEWORTHY HUNGARIAN WOMEN TO THESE???
Any favorites or non-faves among these?
1000's -St. Margaret of Scotland and her mother Agatha(daughter of Stephen)
1200's -St. Elizabeth
1400's -Elizabeth Szilagi
1500's -Queen Isabella
-Women of Eger (no names were given to these brave saviours)
1600's -Queen Ilona and daughter Julliana
1700's- Maria Theresa
1800's -Queen Elizabeth
1900's -Queen Zita
1956 -Julia Rajk
1988 -Susan Polgar and her chess sisters
1992 -Krisztina Egerszegi
1995 - or Kruchio or Bodanr)
- Eva (Balough or Durant)
1996 - Shannon Morris
I asked my wife Trina from Ireland what she thought of naming a daughter
Zita Zsuzsa Mitsch and she said her family would bury me in their bog.(G)
Im also interested in Notewothy Hungarians in the years 896 and 1896
since our "Kis Baba" will be starting out in Hungary's 3rd millenium.
Allthough this is my first post here Ive been subscribing for about ayear.
Ive learned alot ,thanks.
And thanks for all the Holiday well wishers.
But am I the first to wish everyone........................ a........
We get a head start on all those people reserving there rooms for New Years