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||Gardeners Only! (mind)
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||Change of address for Eva Balogh (mind)
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||Re: HungarHotels (mind)
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||The Pope and Jerusalem... (mind)
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|+ - ||Re: Church: Bible stuff.... (mind)
I was glad to read your posting yesterday. I don't agree with many points, but
it's always a fun debate.
1) You asked who is keeping nature's laws in effect. Well, religious people
say a god is and Darwinists say nature itself is. Who knows for sure?
2) You mention problems being caused because people stray away from the ways of
Well, the Baha'i religion is interesting: they feel as our lives on Earth
change and develop new documents are needed to guide these lives... and the
Bible has good messages, but is no longer fully relevant. Human emotions
are maybe the same, but society, transportation, communications, medicine...
have all greatly developed. Each with their own blessings and evils.
(Speaking of social changes: People in the Bible and God accepted slavery,
but who does today? Should we return to slavery so as not to stray from the
?? Nothing is perfect, so why is it when something naturally has a fault or
does something bad... it's as if it should be perfect, but went against god?
This idea of punishments for going against the Bible and against the way of
god seems a bit narrow-sighted. Rome flourished fine without any help from
this god for HUNDREDS of years. China and Japan are doing fine. China actual
had its share of problems because of Western imperialism and Christian
missionaries and power plays. Many Thais seem to be doing fine: Many of them
have heard of Christianity, but choose their Buddha.
If madcow disease is caused by people not following the Bible's cow tradi-
tions, why did many cows die of various diseases before this? In the Middle
Ages, I'm sure the poor cows were probably raised close to biblical stan-
dards. Even the Black Plaque, I think, was attributed less to god and more t
This idea that anything unknown or unable to be solved by people should be at-
tributed to a god really escapes me. If my car breaks down and two mechanics
can't find the problem, I don't think that would make me think a god broke the
car. (That sounds like Greeks and Romans creating gods to explain natural phono
mena that people at that time did not understand.) This problem possibly means
either the problem is very hard to fix- or so obvious no one saw the solution!
I'll continue later.
|+ - ||Gardeners Only! (mind)
I've always been disappointed at not seeing really nice flower gardens in
Hungary. Given Hungary's recent history I can understand that flower
gardens were not a high priority. But still... I do remember seeing a nice
garden on Gallert Hill in Budapest and one lovely flower garden in Pecs.
That one was part of the priests house next to that hugh church in downtown
Pecs. Unfortunately it's not open to the public, as we found out on our
last visit. We were diplomatically shooed out.
When I'm not working, or arguing with someone on this newsgroup, I'm out in
my perennial flower gardens (I have five of them, plus a rockery) or
If you're a gardener, or are interested in looking at pictures of
flowers/gardens, I've posted 4 images to "alt.binaries.pictures.gardens"
today. I'll be posting images tomorrow as well. If you know how to access
binary images you might enjoy my post.
|+ - ||Change of address for Eva Balogh (mind)
Those of you who might be interested: as of today I changed my
e-mail address. The new one is:
|+ - ||Re: HungarHotels (mind)
As an interesting footnote to our discussion on the economic policy
of the Horn government since the beginning of the year (to be precise, since
the departure of Lajos Bokros as finance minister) I would like to call
attention to a news item in BLA (Internet news service in Hungarian). SzDSZ
held a conference entitled "Half Way Through but Whither?" Present were many
economic experts within the SZDSZ but also people like Laszlo Bekesi (MSZP),
the first finance minister of the Horn government. In addition, Peter
Medgyessy, the current finance minister was also present.
Ivan Peto called attention to the fact that the MSZP already acts as
if it was preparing for the next elections and therefore the government
hates the idea of introducing unpopular but necessary measures. At the same
time privatization has slowed. There are still 600 large factories in state
hands. Bank reform has not been even attempted and without that economic
expansion is almost impossible. If the government doesn't hold fast to the
austerity program, in 1998 another "Bokros-package" will be necessary, said
Peter Medgyessy. There is no well thought out, long term economic planning,
added Laszlo Bekesi. Most of the decisions are ad hoc. In brief, the
criticisms expressed at this conference are very similar to the ones Charlie
Vamossy and I mentioned in our discussion with George Antony.
As far as I can see Gyula Horn, as prime minister, is largely
responsible for this state of affairs.
|+ - ||The Pope and Jerusalem... (mind)
From the content of a Hungarian radio broadcast during the visit
of the Holy Father to Gyo"r I think I can offer a possible explanation why
He has not visited yet the Holy Land of Jesus Christ's birth, life and
A papal visit happens always as a response to two simultaneous
protocollar invitations arriving from a country: both the head or
government of the state and the head of the country's Catholic Church are
to be the hosts of the Pope.
As I learnt in 1994 from the collegues of the Embassy of Israel
to Rome they were just approaching the finish of a series of negotiations
with the aim of establishing diplomatic relations between Israel and the
Holy See. Such a relation is practically a pre-condition for a visit.
Since I was forced to return from diplomacy to physics research after the
last elections in Hungary (1994) I could not follow the events, but I am
sure that the mentioned diplomatic relation is (if at all) less than two
Hopefully the local Catholic Church and the State of Israel
could/can get to an agreement on the importance of a papal visit to
Jerusalem, but we should not forget about the need of delicate balancing
of the local Catholic Church leaders between their followers (mostly
Palestinians) and their official stately partner.
Hopefully, sooner or later the visit of the Holy Father, John Paul
II, to Israel will take place.
May God be with us... kadargyorgy