||Why Do We Need a Canadian MVSZ Organization? (mind)
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||Re: Work in Hungarian? (mind)
|| 4 sor
||The 1910 census (mind)
|| 19 sor
||Re: Keyser Soze (mind)
|| 57 sor
||Looking for art students (mind)
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|+ - ||Why Do We Need a Canadian MVSZ Organization? (mind)
In response to my "Appeal" the other day a few people put the above
question to me. Here is my public answer, in case some other people who
read the appeal may also wonder about this question.
There is a large and growing Hungarian-Canadian (H-C) population. According
to the 1986 census, there were 190 thousand H-Cs, this population grew to
214 thousand according to the 1991 census. The table below shows the census
data in detail. As can be seen there are different ways count the
Hungarians from the census data.
Hungarians in Canada Based on
| ethnic origin | mother tongue |
| single multip. total | single multip. total |
Ontario | 53055 48075 101130 | 41435 4890 46325 |
B.C. | 14345 18265 32610 | 9950 1140 11090 |
Alberta | 12105 19275 31380 | 7285 955 8240 |
Quebec | 8990 5820 14810 | 8475 1115 9590 |
Sask. | 7920 14730 22650 | 3115 520 3635 |
Manitoba | 3210 4860 8070 | 1975 260 2235 |
Other | 1100 1950 3050 | 670 80 750 |
Canada | 100725 112975 213700 | 72905 8960 81865 |
But, if you look at the active membership of H-C organizations, Churches,
clubs, etc. the number of active members are falling drastically. This is
because H-C are not living in close-nit communities (ethnic ghettos?),
therefore it is not possible to keep in contact the traditional ways, with
church picnics, balls, etc. Therefore, if we want to maintain this
community there is a need for communication and contact between the members
of the community. In my view the main role of the MVSz Canadian National
Council is to provide this contact. How this will be accomplished is not
clear yet. It could be through a reinvented "Magyar Hirek" newspaper, or a
Canadian MVSZ news-bulletin, or a regular MVSz column in existing Canadian
newspapers, or with a WEB site on the Internet.
|+ - ||Re: Work in Hungarian? (mind)
I can't help you with work ideas, but where did you live? I was in
Szekesfehervar until July. Just curious.
|+ - ||The 1910 census (mind)
>Do you know what questions were asked? I only have the questionnaire for
>the 1869 census. Did they not ask in 1910 the nationality of the people
>(nemzetiseg)? Did they ask waht language they spoke best or they asked
>(as it is done by most census takers in the world) for mother tongue?
I think this discussion can be wound up. No, the census takers were not
interested in "nationality," or, as I said, "ethnicity." The Hungarian
philosophy about this was extremely clear: Hungarian is someone who speaks
Magyar. They didn't care whether your ancestors were Slovak or Romanian,
Croatian, or, for that matter, Jewish. They didn't even ask about "mother
tongue" in 1910, they asked about the language in which you were most fluent.
P.S. Thanks to Bill Teglas for his description of Kisge'res. The shared wine
cellar was really interesting. The description of the wine cellar itself is
very similar to all wine cellars I have been in.
|+ - ||Re: Keyser Soze (mind)
>......... The screenwriter's only
>: mistake was assuming his American audience would pick up on the
>: unlikelihood of Soze's Turkish adventure. It was too subtle for an
>: American audience, just like the detail that Soze's lawyer/henchman
>: Kobayashi was South Asian (Pakistani or Indian) when Kobayashi is a
>: Japanese surname.
>I also can't remember Verbal mentioning that Kobayashi was South Asian,
>but I began to hear the unreliable narrator warning bell when the actor
>who played this ostenisbly Japanese lawyer proved to be patently white.
> Many of my countrymen would be hard placed to identify
>: where Mexico or Canada is on a globe, much less Hungary, Turkey or Japan.
>: Sam Stowe
>Isn't this the truth.
Having only recently joined this discussion group, I ask your
forbearance on my ignorance. At the risk of coming off as jingoistic I find
myself becoming somewhat disgruntled at my fellow American's penchant for
insulting other American's in this newsgroup (reference the quoted
The author sees fit to make these remarks having no basis
whatsoever for such an attack. It is true that the average American does
not speak Hungarian, or Turkish for that matter, therefore it is unlikely
that they would understand the subtle meaning of the names used. However,
making the broad leap to imply that American's are a bunch of ignorant
unlettered savages who cannot identify their own geographic neighbors shows
a distinct lack of sophistication on the part of the author.
Perhaps he is unaware that Edward Teller, the great Hungarian born
physicist, rose to fame in the crucible of American scientific endevour;
or that T. S. Eliot, the great British author and critic, was American
born. Aaron Copland, Frank Lloyd Wright, Benjamin Franklin, George
Washington Carver, Maya Angelou, Duke Ellington, Emily Dickinson, and the
Wright Brothers all bespeak the greatness that has and remains America's
intellectual tradition. And with the possible exception of Teller, none of
them understood Hungarian or Turkish either.
I don't know much about Hungary or its people. I subscribed to
this list hoping to better prepare for a vacation I plan to take there this
summer. Being American I pray that other members of this list will now use
small words so that my feeble American brain can understand them.
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|+ - ||Looking for art students (mind)
I would like to encourage world-class Hungarian art students to apply to
the Wichita State University College of Fine Arts. If you know of students
there, encourage them to apply for scholarships and grants at WSU. Contact
for details. Dr. Mathis is Associate Dean of the
College of Fine Arts. (Performing Arts, Music, Studio Arts and Design).
Instruction is in English, of course, so they must have some proficiency
in the language. Outstanding faculty are encouraged to apply for positions
also. I have started web pages at http://www.dmgi.com/twsuwork.html for