Mihnea Marinescu > wrote:
as I can see, you live in New York? A great city, i´ve never been there, but I´
ve heared a lot
about it. Did you know, that in New York there are more people than in the whol
Here is my answer to your answer to my answer...
>> Because other nations did not give the same freedom to their minorities, the
>> hungarians gave them. St. Istvan (St. Steven) wanted hungary to be a multicu
>> nation. Maybe there have been some dark periods in history, but most of the
>> hungarians did not kick your ass the way you did with them.
>Come on this is too much!
>I don't know what St. Istvan wanted at the end of the 10th century
>(and frankly I doubt about the "liberal views" of any 10th century
>ruler), the way the Hungarian authorities trated the Romanians in
>Transylvania for centuries is in no way an example of friendly conduct.
When? Where? Who? I wouldn´t wonder, if you would have learned history in roman
OK, let´s start putting things into points:
1. The hungarian revolution of 1848 against the Austrian has been a result of
the fact, that the Austrian ruler did not follow the principles of St.Istvan
The Hungarians couldn´t accept that. This shows, that they accepted it all t
2. The Hungarian authorities did not trate especially the Romanians for centuri
es, but it is
true, that all over Europe each authority trated the "working people" of his
So did the Hungarian authorities too. On your side you have had rulers like
time. Just remember: Many romanians came to Transsylvania, because of the be
tter Life there.
They always had to be afraid of their own rulers. ( There is no difference t
3. Would you say, U.S.A. belongs to the Red Indians? I would, but this does not
any more. They are dead. Europeans are bestialic animals. And even today, th
e Red Indians
don´t get any rights.
>And if you are in any doubt, let me tell you that two of my grand-
>grand-parents left Transylvania in 1907-1909 because of the "good"
>treatment of the Hungarian authorities (notice that I'm not saying the
>Hungarians). In both cases they left almost everything (they were not
>exactly rich but they had a house, some land, a lot of sheep). One of
>them was living in Covasna (in a area with Hungarian majority then and
>now) the other in Fagaras (in and area with Romanian majority then
I am really sorry about your grand-parents, but don´t forget: The king was Aust
The Austrian politics concentrated on "assimilating" minorities. This was the b
eginning of a
very dark period in history, which is still going on.
And: your grand-parents left 1907. Why not 907 or 1207 or 1407 or 1607?
They have had a "long breath".
>Trying to put history "work" for you doesn't realy help!
Yes, this is, what your government is doing very professional.
>However, I do agree that what happened in the past (even if it is
>a recent past) should not damage the chances for the future and I
>strongly agree that Transylvania's history is both Romanian and
>Hungarian (I would add German also) and there is place for a better
>treatment of Hungarians by the Romanian authorities today. There is
>also place for a better treatment of Romanians (by the Romanian
I really like the way you think. I am seriously looking for a friendship betwee
Hungarians and Romanians. I know a few elder Romanians, who told me, that in th
past, the Hungarians and Romanians liked each other. The problem is, that
we are both "prepared" for fighting against each other.
Romania could be a very rich country, just like Hungary has been for centuries,
but your politicians doesn´t want you to be rich. They will keep on working on
the fight between the minorities in your country, because this is their firewal
against the "poor people" there. Let the people fight against each other, so th
fight against you. This is the reason for so much desinformation. I think you k
The main point is not, what has been in the past, because I did not live there
But the main point is, what we can do now better, and how should we work for a
future. We could learn from history, but first we should know, which history is
George Antony Ph 93818 wrote:
> George Antony and others wrote a lot of stuff about salamis andsausages.
All I have to say is: You people are making this Hungarian hungry!!
By the way, my supplier of Csabai, Gyulai, and te'li szalami is
Bende and Sons Salami Company, in the northwest suburbs of
Chicago, Illinois, USA. Excellent stuff, all made on the premises
by Mr. Bende himself. They take mail orders. (I have no connection
with this company other than as a customer.)
Bende Salami Co.
875 Corporate Woods Parkway
Vernon Hills, Illinois 60061