On Thu, 13 Apr 1995, Susannah Marits wrote:
> Hi! How can I get to this WWW through E-mail
Sorry, but you need a WWW browser, "mosaic" or "Netscape" or "Cello"
..etc. in able to go to one of these home-pages. You can use "lynx" too,
it is a text based browser. You can try it, by typing "lynx" at your unix
prompt. If your system has it, then it will work. If you have it, then
after the opening screen type "g" for go, then type in that long line,
that starts with "http://...................".
By the time I found out that my father was right, my kids
were old enough to disagree with me.
On Sun, 9 Apr 1995, Robert Hetzron wrote:
> I, a Hungarian Jew (or Jewish Hungarian) perfectly concur with C.F-B's
> indignation over the stupid representation of Hungarian music and culture
> by some German anti-expert and will definitely a missive to Delta Music
> expressing my amazement about such a high degree of incompetence. Yet the
> second letter by the same fellow Hungarian, though it contains many good
> points, raises some questions.
> Hungarian antisemitism: It is true that many other countries have
> horrible records of extermination of Jews but Hungary's record is less
> than flawless. I only quote a few cases by memory without rechecking
> (though on my desk I have N. Katzburg's Hebrew language book on
> antisemitism in Hungary). When Buda was reconquered from the Turks, the
> liberators massacred the Jews living there (there remains were found when
> Hilton was built on the Castle Hill). Nagy Lajos banned Jews from
but has it ever occured to you, that most of us in Hungary, were
probably not even born yet when Buda were reconquered :) ? Not to mention
the reign of Nagy Lajos. I do not think, that even Zsa Zsa Gabor witnessed
those times. Also, the reconquerors of Buda were not Hungarians.
Hungarian army did not exist at the end of the 17th century, the
percentage of Hungarians in those troops was negligible.
The United States has more problems with anti-Jewish sentiments than
Hungary. Just to mention the permanent in-the-front-of-the-window
Blacks vs. Jews, white-supremacists vs Jews etc. little fights.
You find more hate crimes in the USA per capita , than in any of
the Central-European countries. Hungary did not have clubs, beaches,
restaurants just 20-25 years back, unlike the USA, that said -
" Absolutely no Niggers or Jews allowed !"
> But I feel it is a
> disservice to all the good and fair Christian Hungarians to conceal the
> bad element, as it is to decent Jews to deny that there were Jewish
> criminals as well.
I do not think that "good and fair" Hungarian Christians should try to conceal
bad elements, although, most of the "good and fair" Hungarian Christians
living in Hungary today, has nothing to do with anything you wrote .
None of them is responsible for crimes comitted in the past.
They are responsible only for what they are/were .
> All nations have their good and bad elements, the main
> question is the proportion between the two.
Pal, you are a racist. A little bloody racist.
There is no question like that at all :-< Sorry, but that is primitive ,
leads to stereotype thinking and prejudice only. Do not you remember how people
used to justify anti-Jewish behaviour ? And you are coming up with
a sentence like this ! C'mon ! Just what measure would you use, anyway,
to decide about goodness/badness ? Good Christian values , how fast you
run or the love of Mohamed the Prophet ? Jewish blood or being a vegeterian?
Should a Jewish Hungarian, as part of the Hungarian nation be ashamed ?
What about baptized Hungarian Jews ? Gipsies or assimilated Gipsies ?
Converted Cumens and Pechenegs ? What about Hungarian persons with names
Ne'met, Orosz, Toth, Ola'h, Horva't, Szerb, Cseh, Lengyel, Gorog or - ,
Lipovitcs, Khaut, Bocskai, Schwendtner, Schwarz, Wyberal, Petrovics ?
Should we leave them out while establishing the good/bad ratio for
the Hungarian nation?
Also, is there a super-human/religion ethics that you think everybody
should follow (and also covers the disservice you mentioned above) ?
Please, enlighten us !
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